AdvancedRelationshipTypeProposal

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Proposals of Additions or Changes to Advanced Relationship Types

This page is superseded by ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType.

Initially this page was designed to collect all additions and changes that need to be done to the initial set of AdvancedRelationshipTypes. Unfortunately this page has become an unmaintainable TooLongList in which things get LostInLists. Additionally, the StyleCouncil really needs a tracker to be able to keep an overview of all OpenStyleIssues and assign them priorities. Lastly, this page has a BadWikiName. The correct one being ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType (to fit in with ProposedStyleGuideline).

Therefore this page is slowly going to die. The new page is ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType. Anyone who has submitted an issue here and is interested in it being implemented should create a (preferably well named) wiki page for this issue and give it the CategoryProposedAdvancedRelationshipType. --DonRedman

So this page is a CandidateForDeletion and should be deleted once the remaining proposals here are migrated - or removed if outdated - to standalone wiki pages. -- murdos 2007-06-04 12:40:57

Where are we now? I don't see anything really worth it (or not already implemented) in there (except Wolfsong last suggestion that I may push). So, is this worth History, or rather DeletedPage? -- dmppanda 2008-02-15 09:33:38

And here follows the TooLongList:

Inconsistent Link directions
Allow Instrument Attribute for Members of a Band
Also Known As
Rename Legal Name to Birth Name

RelationshipEditors are able to change relationship types or add new ones. but for this to happen you will need consensus on first the UsersMailingList and then the StyleMailingList, and an AdvancedRelationshipType page that describes the new relationship in all details.

1. Inconsistent Link directions

(by Dupuy) There's some general inconsistency in our link types about the directionality of 1-N relations:

artist-artist:

1-N X "is the legal name of" Y, Z, A, ...
2-N X "is the parent of" Y, Z, A, ...

album-album:

1-N X "is the earliest release of" Y, Z, A, ...
but N-1 X (and Y?) "is a remaster of" A ("always point to earliest")

track-track:

1-N X "is the earliest release of" Y, Z, A, ...
1-N X "is the earliest version of" Y, Z, A, ...
but N-1 X (and Y?) "is a remaster of" A ("always point to earliest")
N-1 X (and Y?) "is a cover of" A ("always point to earliest")

Whatever we decide to do with the is-person relationship, we need to make these consistent...

I'm not sure to understand the issue here: the current behavior - as of mid 2007 - seems satisfactory. -- murdos 2007-06-04 12:40:57

2. Allow Instrument Attribute for Members of a Band

Should MemberOfBandRelationshipType not have an instrument attribute? --DonRedman

This would introduce some additional complexity in interpreting artist roles: see ArtistRoleInheritance --MatthewExon

Another thought: the instrument attribute doesn't have "vocals", so this wouldn't work for recording singers. Maybe the InstrumentRelationshipAttribute hierarchy should include the VocalRelationshipAttribute hierarchy, and "Performed instrument on" be merged with "Performed vocal on"? There are other roles for members of a band as well: The Prodigy has two dancers as "official" members. IMO these could probably be adequately covered by "other" --MatthewExon

3. Also Known As

The current Alias property should be repurposed now that AR is ready. Artist who have recorded under multiple names should have a relationship instead. The existing Alias property would still be usefully for misspelled names but there are some artists like Aphex Twin and Wynonna Judd who have recorded under different names and the release should be reflected correctly for those artists. The current "is the legal name/is the performing name" is insufficient since in some cases an artist might perform under two names and neither is their legal name (i.e. Wynonna and Wynonna Judd) --WolfSong

4. Rename Legal Name to Birth Name

I propose renaming this simply because more often than not, finding someone's birth name is more plausible than their legal name since names can be changed and although in the US such information becomes public record, this may not be the case everywhere. This was actually changed from official name to legal name due to discussions over Wendy/Walter Carlos. In this scenario Wendy is probably the legal name and Walter is the birth name. Both names should be listed separately since this person has released recordings under each name. --WolfSong

It might be solved with the LinkingDifferentArtistNames proposal. -- murdos 2007-06-04 10:16:17

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