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The dramyen is a folk rabab found in most of the Himalayan region. The number of strings varies from place to place, but 4, 5, 6, or 7 seems to be common. The names also vary from region to region, where local versions may be called Damyan, Dramyen, Dranyen, Dramyin (curiously enough sometimes spelled as <u>sgrna-snyan</u>), or Tungana. Sizes too may vary, the Nepali Tungana tends to be smaller than the Tibetian Dramyen. Manuscripts from the Moghul period indicate that at one time, this form of rabab was very common in northern India, however today it is confined to the Himalayan regions.</td> |
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Revision as of 13:44, 17 March 2020
How many r*b*b's do we have?:
long-necked rabab (spikefiddle rebab)
lute like ____ where the rebec evolved from (herein the lutes)
double chested rabab (pearshaped lute rubab)
So:
- Spikefiddle, to wit the ghijak wd en mb and the Indonesian Rebab belong...
- Long necked barbed lute (pearshaped lutes!) kamanche, ravaj, read vina
- Short necked fiddle boat-shaped /double chested lutes, herein the sarinda and sarangi families.
Classification aspect
spikefiddle - long neck, tiny soundbox
- Indonesian rebab
- đàn gáo
- đàn hồ
- đàn nhị
- salo/saw lo
- saw sam sai
- saw u
- saw duang
- tro khmer
- tro sau
- tro che
- tro sau thom
- tro u
- tro (research)
- jawza
- konya
- sanxian
- erxian
- huqin (family)
- sihu
- yehu
- dihu
- zhonghu
- banhu
- huluhu
- jinghu
- erhu
- gaohu
- kamancheh
- igil/ikili
- sanshin
- shamisen
- kokyu
- yaylı tambur
- ghijak
- ravanahatha
- haegeum
- (afrikan)
- goje
- njarka
- n'ko
- imzad
bowl (lyra, divergent) larger lute-like soundbox shorter neck
- Byzantine lyra/lira
- Gadulka
- gudok
- gusle
- sintir
- guimbri
- cretan lyra
- calabrian lira
- dalmatian lijerica
- kemenche
- pontic lyra(k of the black sea)
- politiki lyra (classical k)
- rebec
- rabel
- dutar
- çifteli
- cobza
- kobza/bandurka
- komuz
- qanbūs/gambus
- gabusi
- tambouras -> eg lutes, baglamas etc.
- pandur etc
- tambur etc
- tanpura etc
- indian lute, sitar
- cittern, gitten, etc guitar
- etc
double (lute, divergent) two bodied or hollowed out, concave shape, thick short neck
- kobyz
- rubab/rabab (kabuli rebab)
- sarod
- sarangi
- nepalian sarangi (is this really a separate instrument?)
- sarinda
- esraj
- dilruba
- ghaychak
- kyl kyyak
- lyra viol
- viol da gambas
- viol da braccios
- etc
harplike/veena
- taus/mayuri veena/b
- yazh
- saung/saung-gauk
lyre like
- crwth
- rotta
Notes
Rababah - ancient - arabic fiddle -
rebab - medieval - persia
seni rebab - medieval -
kabuli rebab - medieval - arab
rebec - medieval - europe
rebab - modern - indonesia
some interesting https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reb%C3%A1b_(egy%C3%A9rtelm%C5%B1s%C3%ADt%C5%91_lap)
Table Aspect
Cell 1 | Cell 2 |
sarangi wd en mb hindustani classical music, rajasthani folk sarangi, |
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sarinda wd en jira, is related to and may derive from central asian shamans-fiddle qobuz (kobys?) widespread:
rajasthan (surinda) three main strings
manipur north-east india (sananta)
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nepali sarangi wd en MB!(?) type of lute, evolved from the <strikeout>rabab</strikeout> includes this and the |
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ghaychak wd en mb jira | cell 2 |
in its family evolved from the kobyz wd en jira. (kobyz, ghaychak, sarangi) |
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dhodro banam aka Santal lute east & north india (dhodro banam) |
cell 2 |
Kyl kyyak wd ky en mb! | Cell 2 |
rabab | Cell 2 |
Chikara wd en jira | |
sarod | |
Sursingar wd en mb hybrid plucked north indian classical lute invented c1800 by jaffar khan (seniya family) resonator, front and bridge from sitar, upperpart of neck/pegboard like the rabab, tuned and played like rabab, plectrum like sitar. |
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sitar wd en mb hindustani sitar seems to have more in common with large uzbek dutar wd en mb than persian setar wd en mb
other sitar types: (distribution and related features suggest a common development)
sada sitar (plain or practice sitar) |
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kachva sitar aka kacchapi vina | Cell 2 |
surbahar wd en mb effectively a bass sitar. invented c1820 by ghulam muhammad |
Cell 2 |
tanpura aka tambura aka tanpur (etc) | |
hansa veena ?(novelty) |
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pulluvan veena wd ge mb! | |
Cell 1 | Cell 2 |
Cell 1 | Cell 2 |
Dramyen (Damyan, Dranyen, Dramyin, Tungana)
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Cell 1 | Cell 2 |
dotara | |
svaraj fretless long necked plucked lute from bangladesj, it is a bangl version of the bengali/northindian dotara, it ought to be spelled saraj (see esraj) | Cell 2 |
esraj a kind of cross between sitar and sarangi, it is a modern variant of dilruba[1] |
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Mandar Bahar nmm wd? mb! bass esraj |
Cell 2 |
dilruba Dilruba is a compacter, mobiler instrument, is based on the heavier Taus[2] |
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taus | |
mayuri-vina |
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yazh | |
saung gauk | |
Cell 1 | Cell 2 |
ektara (actually gopichant) | |
ektar (actually tumbi) | |
dutar | |
setar | |
bin-sitar | Cell 2 |
kamaica | Cell 2 |
ravanhattha | |
khuur (mongolian fiddles) | |
Cell 1 | Cell 2 |
.....
sara
surs
suba
sita
saro
sari
banam(rebs)
rabab-> sarod
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/From-Tri-tantri-Veena-to-Sitar/articleshow/21391436.cms and images on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritantri_vina and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar (compare image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar ) makes it clear that it is the setar that is evolved from the tritantri veena - the sitar https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff/ an unrelated (but possible distant cousin) was *named* after the Persian setar.