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=Proposals of Additions or Changes to Advanced Relationship Types=
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[[Image:Attention.png]] '''This page is superceded by [[Proposed Advanced Relationship Type|ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType]].'''
 
 
 
Initially this page was designed to collect all additions and changes that need to be done to the initial set of [[Advanced Relationship Type|AdvancedRelationshipType]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s. Unfortunately this page has become an unmaintainable [[Too Long List|TooLongList]] in which things get [[Lost In List|LostInList]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s. Additionally, the [[Style Council|StyleCouncil]] really needs a tracker to be able to keep an overview of all [[Open Style Issue|OpenStyleIssue]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s and assign them priorities. Lastly, this page has a [[Bad WikiName|BadWikiName]]. The correct one being [[Proposed Advanced Relationship Type|ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType]] (to fit in with [[Proposed Style Guideline|ProposedStyleGuideline]]).
 
 
 
'''Therefore''' this page is slowly going to die. The new page is [[Proposed Advanced Relationship Type|ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType]]. Anyone who has submitted an issue here and is interested in it being implemented should create a (preferably well named) wiki page for this issue and give it the  <code><nowiki>CategoryProposedAdvancedRelationshipType</nowiki></code>. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
 
 
 
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And here follows the [[Too Long List|TooLongList]]:
 
 
 
===Contents===
 
 
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#inconsistent|Inconsistent Link directions]]
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#memberinstr|Allow Instrument Attribute for Members of a Band]]
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#additionalinstr|Additional instruments and chorus masters]]
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#aka|Also Known As]]
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#birthname|Rename Legal Name to Birth Name]]
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#barcode|Has the Barcode]]
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#addengby|"Additionally audio/sound/live sound/mix/recording engineered by" relationship]]
 
# [[Advanced Relationship Type Proposal#birthname|Add "is the birth name of" to relate legal names to each other]]
 
 
 
[[Relationship Editor|RelationshipEditor]]s are able to change relationship types or add new ones. but for this to happen you will need consensus on first the [[Users Mailing List|UsersMailingList]] and then the [[Style Mailing List|StyleMailingList]], and an [[Advanced Relationship Type|AdvancedRelationshipType]] page that descripes the new relationship in all details.
 
 
 
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==Inconsistent Link directions==
 
 
 
(by [[User:Dupuy|Dupuy]])  There's some general inconsistency in our link types about the directionality of 1-N relations:
 
 
 
artist-artist:
 
* '''1-N''' X "is the legal name of" Y, Z, A, ...
 
* '''2-N''' X "is the parent of" Y, Z, A, ...
 
 
 
album-album:
 
* '''1-N''' X "is the earliest release of" Y, Z, A, ...
 
* '' but'' '''N-1''' X (and Y?) "is a remaster of" A ("always point to earliest")
 
 
 
track-track:
 
* '''1-N''' X "is the earliest release of" Y, Z, A, ...
 
* '''1-N''' X "is the earliest version of" Y, Z, A, ...
 
* ''but'' '''N-1''' X (and Y?) "is a remaster of" A ("always point to earliest")
 
* '''N-1''' X (and Y?) "is a cover of" A ("always point to earliest")
 
 
 
Whatever we decide to do with the is-person relationship, we need to make these consistent...
 
 
 
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==Allow Instrument Attribute for Members of a Band==
 
 
 
Should [[Member Of Band Relationship Type|MemberOfBandRelationshipType]] not have an instrument attribute? --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
 
 
 
This would introduce some additional complexity in interpreting artist roles: see [[Artist Role Inheritance|ArtistRoleInheritance]] --[[User:MatthewExon|MatthewExon]]
 
 
 
Another thought: the instrument attribute doesn't have "vocals", so this wouldn't work for recording singers.  Maybe the [[Instrument Relationship Attribute|InstrumentRelationshipAttribute]] hierarchy should include the [[Vocal Relationship Attribute|VocalRelationshipAttribute]] hierarchy, and "Performed instrument on" be merged with "Performed vocal on"?  There are other roles for members of a band as well: [http://musicbrainz.org/showrel.html?id=44954&type=artist The Prodigy] has two dancers as "official" members.  IMO these could probably be adequately covered by "other" --[[User:MatthewExon|MatthewExon]]
 
 
 
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==Additional instruments and chorus masters==
 
 
 
I proposed [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2005-April/020343.html a number of other changes] on the [[Mailing List|MailingList]], in addition to those, there have been suggestions on [[IRC]] for additional instruments (nose flute(?!?), possibly others), and another performance type, "chorus master" (like conductor, for a chorus, proposed by [[User:mo|mo]]).  [[User:Dupuy|@alex]]
 
 
 
More instruments: Turntables (as discussed). Also, I've been adding ARing an album and found a few types of electric pianos that I'd need, namely 'Clavinet' and 'Wurlitzer'. As of now there is only Piano -> {Grand piano, Upright piano, Rhodes}, which obviously makes it difficult to add other types of electic pianos than Rhodes. Easiest I figure is to just add 'Electric piano', and have 'Rhodes' (and possibly others as well, even though it doesn't seem that important to me) as sub-category to it. Also I've stumbled over something called CS80, Nord Lead, Leadsynth, and Hammond. Haven't yet investigated what those are, but chanses are they're yet other types of electric pianos or keyboard of some sorts. //[bnw]
 
 
 
Even more: 'tapes' 'noise' & 'effects' for industrial music.
 
 
 
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==Also Known As==
 
 
 
The current Alias property should be repurposed now that AR is ready. Artist who have recorded under multiple names should have a relationship instead. The existing Alias property would still be usefully for misspelled names but there are some artists like Aphex Twin and Wynonna Judd who have recorded under different names and the release should be reflected correctly for those artists. The current "is the legal name/is the performing name" is insufficient since in some cases an artist might perform under two names and neither is their legal name (i.e. Wynonna and Wynonna Judd) --[[User:WolfSong|WolfSong]]
 
 
 
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==Rename Legal Name to Birth Name==
 
 
 
I propose renaming this simply because more often than not, finding someone's birth name is more plausible than their legal name since names can be changed and although in the US such information becomes public record, this may not be the case everywhere. This was actually changed from official name to legal name due to discussions over Wendy/Walter Carlos. In this scenario Wendy is probably the legal name and Walter is the birth name. Both names should be listed seperately since this person has released recordings under each name. --[[User:WolfSong|WolfSong]]
 
 
 
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==Has the Barcode==
 
 
 
In order to link our data to external databases, the ability to assign [[UPC]] codes to Albums would be a great help.  UPC data is also hard to come by in the commercial market for releases outside the US, so user-entered data would be a great resource.  See [http://upcdatabase.com http://upcdatabase.com] for an open UPC database we could perhaps link up with. --[[User:RodBegbie|RodBegbie]]
 
 
 
Note: UPC is a type of barcode.  See [[Barcode|BarCode]]s for more information. --[[User:MatthewExon|MatthewExon]]
 
 
 
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=="Additionally audio/sound/live sound/mix/recording engineered by" relationship==
 
 
 
I think that attribute {additional:additionally} could be usefull also for these subtypes of "engineered by" relationship. --LukZ
 
 
 
Just a handy link: this proposal relates to [[Engineer Relationship Type|EngineerRelationshipType]].
 
 
 
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==Add "is the birth name of" to relate legal names to each other==
 
 
 
Full proposal at [[Linking Different Artist Names|LinkingDifferentArtistNames]], also discussion at [[Musical Association Relationship Class|MusicalAssociationRelationshipClass]]. --[[User:MatthewExon|MatthewExon]]
 
 
 
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