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==Discussion==

"Design", "Illustration" and "Graphic Design" are poorly distinguished.  They do mean different things though.  My definition would be that "design" is overall layout (conventional jewel case, what kind of booklet, possible overall layout issues like which panels are available for what content).  "Illustration" is art that is specifically tailored to the artistic work: the guy who contributed mini-comics to Alice Cooper releases that expand on the themes of the music would be a good example.  Art that has nothing to do with the release particularly is just "art", and is not represented in these relationships.  For example, the sleeve Appetite for Destruction includes prints of art that the band members found relevant, but the artist in this case isn't an illustrator, because he'd never even heard of the work he's "illustrating".  That's just art.  Meanwhile, graphic design is arranging other content in an aesthetically pleasing manner: similar to how programmers design the [[MusicBrainz]] web pages.  It's not exactly art in its purest sense; although it's definitely creative and may well involve creating images, it's all designed to highlight and frame other art. 

So basically, I can't see why the first two are lumped together into one relationship while the third is out on its own.  I also can't see why those ones are special, while "art" isn't.  But mainly, I don't think they are distinguished enough to justify having them as separate options.  You can throw in "photography" as well, which could be an essential part of any of the above terms. 

--[[User:MatthewExon|MatthewExon]] 

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do we *really* ''need'' "Travel Arrangements"? <br/> ~[[User:mo|mo]] 

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I see a lot of Turkish album credited people as Music Director (tr: Müzik Direktörü). I am not sure what it is but can say that it does not fit to Creative Direction relation, because those people also arranged and/or composed music in the album. Also it cannot be Art Direction because those albums also credit some other people for Art Direction. Does this mean we lack Music Direction relation here? (edit: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_director wikipedia link]--[[User:syserror|syserror]] 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">A lot of Taiwanese and possibly Hong Kong albums have something similar as you describe, where people are credited as Director (zh: 監製).  --[[Xares]] 
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Artist and Repertoire Support: Rarely credited on album sleeves, but the A&R man (it's nearly always a man) is responsible for liaising with producers, songwriters and publishers on behalf of the artist. In basic terms, they choose which songs will appear on a release. For a singer who doesn't write, the A&R person is very important in gaining permission to perform cover versions, for example. Sometimes, the A&R person is credited just as a "thank you" for dealing with a record company on the artist's behalf. Nirvana, for example, credited Gary Gersch on a couple of their albums. --[[User:Arty Smokes|ArtySmokes]]

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* In more evidence of how poorly implemented this is; the descriptions imply that Release-URL ARs for these are possible, when they are in fact, not currently. Which is inconsistent since the track-URL ARs do work; even though most of these roles will only ever be credited at the release level. --[[User:Voiceinsideyou|Voiceinsideyou]] 04:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC)