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=Edit Track Time=
=Edit Track Time=


This edit changes the track time.
'''Status:''' ''This is a proposal of a new edit type that's not been implemented yet.'' It [[Needs Editing|NeedsEditing]].


===How to do it===
'''Note:''' This page can be replaced by the [[Edit Type|EditType]] documentation after this feature is implemented.


* The [http://www.musicbrainz.org/edittrack.html?track=397331&album=55225 Edit] link to the right of a track title on an [http://www.musicbrainz.org/album/0481dc5a-bab1-4e0f-8d89-9b755711b170.html album page] (or other pages where album details are displayed) takes you to a page where you can edit the track's title ([[Edit Track Name|EditTrackName]]), number ([[Edit Track Number|EditTrackNumber]]) and/or time ([[Edit Track Time|EditTrackTime]]).
==Current Situation==
* The [http://musicbrainz.org/edit/album/editall.html?albumid=55225 Edit all] link below the album's name on an [http://www.musicbrainz.org/album/0481dc5a-bab1-4e0f-8d89-9b755711b170.html album page] (or other pages where album details are displayed) takes you to a page where you can edit the album's title ([[Edit Album Name|EditAlbumName]]) and/or attributes ([[Edit Album Attributes|EditAlbumAttributes]]), as well as the title ([[Edit Track Name|EditTrackName]]), number ([[Edit Track Number|EditTrackNumber]]) and time ([[Edit Track Time|EditTrackTime]]) of any or all tracks on the album.
* On albums by [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]], the [http://musicbrainz.org/edit/track/edit.html?track=2423489&album=227290 Edit] link next to the track time on an [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=227290 album page] takes you to a page where you can edit the track's title ([[Edit Track Name|EditTrackName]]), number ([[Edit Track Number|EditTrackNumber]]) and/or time ([[Edit Track Time|EditTrackTime]]).
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">You can also get to that page as part of a conversion to a [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]] album; if you check the "Move tracks to new artists" box on the page to which the [http://musicbrainz.org/edit/album/mac.html?album=55225 Convert to multiple artists] link takes you, you will be taken to the Change pages for each track on the album in turn.
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==Guidelines==
At the moment, there are a lot of album entries in the database that don't have real track times but instead show ?:?? to the user. The reason is that there are only two ways that track times, as described in [[Calculate Track Times|CalculateTrackTimes]], can enter the database. Both need an existing CD-A from which a so-called TOC can be created that includes accurate timings for all tracks.


===Editing===
If a user has an audio CD at hand, he can easily add the TOC to the database by using the CD lookup function of the different client applications. If there is an album entry in [http://www.freedb.org FreeDB] the track times can be imported from there during the process of adding an album to [[MusicBrainz]]. Such an import for existing entries is not possible.


==Problems==
===Voting===


==Notes==
This situation is unsatisfying in a lot of ways, e.g.:
# While the world around [[MusicBrainz]] evolves and new medium types that are used for music releases are invented like SA-CDs (super audio CD) and DVD-A (DVD audio), there is likely to be more and more albums for which no CD-A versions exist. Without a CD-A there is no way of adding track times to [[MusicBrainz]].
# On the other hand, there are a bunch of "old" releases from times preceding the invention of the compact disc. Those were often pressed on vinyl records. Even in cases where re-releases on CD were produced later, those often have a slightly different track listing or the tracks for the CD were enhanced in quality. Either way, track times can't be added for the original vinyl release entries.
# An album might have been released on a CD-A with well known track times, but no [[MusicBrainz]] user owns a copy of the CD because it was a promotional release only, a rare limited edition etc. There are various trustworthy sources where one could get track times from, but again they can't be added without the CD.
# There are problems with the current TOC submissions and FreeDB imports as well, because there is no way to verify that a TOC was generated by an existing album or is really just a broken one which was submitted either by hand or by the burning of a broken CD-R(W). Therefore the argument that TOCs are to be trusted doesn't work. There are some examples in the DB, but because they are likely to be removed it's not worth the effort of listing them here.


==Solution==
===Prerequisites===


An [[Edit Track Time|EditTrackTime]] will fail due to a [[Failed Prerequisite|FailedPrerequisite]] if another [[Edit Track Time|EditTrackTime]] changes the time.
To get around these and any other upcoming problems related to missing track times, there is only one possible solution. [[MusicBrainz]] needs new [[Edit Type|EditType]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s that allow adding and editing track times. While we have a complex voting system, the danger of letting incorrect track times enter the database is hopefully not more problematic than for any other data.


===Dependencies===
==Additional Thoughts==


An [[Edit Track Time|EditTrackTime]] will fail due to a [[Failed Dependency|FailedDependency]] if the album containing the track is deleted by [[Remove Album|RemoveAlbum]] or [[Remove Albums|RemoveAlbums]] or merged into another album by [[Merge Albums|MergeAlbums]]. It will also fail due to a [[Failed Dependency|FailedDependency]] if the track is deleted by [[Remove Track|RemoveTrack]].
In addition to this hand-editing, an advanced FreeDB import function for albums that already exist in [[MusicBrainz]] might make the lives for moderators much easier. On the other hand, voters might blindly trust imported data, so the danger of erroneous track times entering the database might increase.

===Symbolic name and id===


==Discussion==
==Discussion==


Prerequisites and Dependencies have not been checked; Also, symbolic name needs to be added. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
There has been some [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-devel/2005-July/thread.html discussion on the mailing list] about this topic. Please add any arguments that I forgot to add directly to the page above, and discuss only existing arguments.

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----Authors: [[User:Zout|Zout]]


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[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Edit Types]]
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----Authors: [[User:Fuchs|Fuchs]]
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[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Edit Types]] [[Category:Style]] [[Category:Proposed Style]]

Revision as of 12:47, 24 October 2005

Edit Track Time

This edit changes the track time.

How to do it

  • You can also get to that page as part of a conversion to a VariousArtists album; if you check the "Move tracks to new artists" box on the page to which the Convert to multiple artists link takes you, you will be taken to the Change pages for each track on the album in turn.

Guidelines

Editing

Voting

Notes

Prerequisites

An EditTrackTime will fail due to a FailedPrerequisite if another EditTrackTime changes the time.

Dependencies

An EditTrackTime will fail due to a FailedDependency if the album containing the track is deleted by RemoveAlbum or RemoveAlbums or merged into another album by MergeAlbums. It will also fail due to a FailedDependency if the track is deleted by RemoveTrack.

Symbolic name and id

Discussion

Prerequisites and Dependencies have not been checked; Also, symbolic name needs to be added. --Zout

Authors: Zout

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