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This page was a collective proposal for new entities that had not yet been implemented, their behaviour and how to present them. Many of the ideas here had since been implemented, as of March 2010. Those which had not been, and were not yet planned (the NGS release), have been split off to [[Advanced Entity (Post-NGS)]] for future discussion/development. |
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=New Entities Proposal= |
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See [[Data Elements For Advanced Relationships|DataElementsForAdvancedRelationships]] for an older proposal. |
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'''Status:''' [[Image:Attention.png]] ''This page is a collective proposal for new entities that have not yet been implemented, their behaviour and how to present them.'' |
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==Idea== |
==Idea== |
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The following entities with the described behaviour are proposed: |
The following entities with the described behaviour are proposed: |
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* Label |
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** AR to Label ("is sub-division of", "is distributor of"?) |
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* AR to Series |
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* AR to Label ("is sub-division of", "is distributor of"?) |
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* Series |
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Additionally one could think of different types of [[Album Group|AlbumGroup]]s like: |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">For compilation series |
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* examples: [http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?limit=0&table=album&search=caf%C3%A9+del+mar Café del Mar], [http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?limit=0&table=album&search=Ministry+of+Sound Ministry of Sound], [http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?limit=0&table=album&search=kontor Kontor], [http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?limit=0&table=album&search=hed+kandi Hed Kandi], ... |
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One [[Album Entity|AlbumEntity]] could be member of several groups - like Apocalyptica's "Cult: Special Edition (disc 1)" is in the same [[Edition Group|EditionGroup]] like the original "Cult" release but also in a [[Box Set|BoxSet]] together with "Cult: Special Edition (disc 2)" (but that could lead to multi-inheritance problems if you also want to use an inheritance mechanism like for [[Artist Group|ArtistGroup]]s). And you have to differentiate between a group of albums representing the same abstract album idea and groups of albums representing the same recording (important for linking recording information to the group). |
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* AR to URL possible (series website (use "official website"?), Wikipedia, discography site) |
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* lists all albums belonging to this series. Linkage through AR or through album attribute? |
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* "View Mods" for related edits |
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Like for albums you have to separate between groups of tracks representing the same abstract song (of one artist!) and groups of tracks representing the same recording of a song. |
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For new more detailed proposals for such groups see [[Album Rework|AlbumRework]] and [[Track Grouping|TrackGrouping]]. |
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* Album Groups |
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* [[Box Set|BoxSet]] for different albums belonging to one set |
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* Track Groups |
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* Studio |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">For recording studios |
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==Description== |
==Description== |
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Label entities could then be used in extended release infos of albums. Both labels and series help to keep an overview of the related releases and the related mods. |
Label entities could then be used in extended release infos of albums. Both labels and series help to keep an overview of the related releases and the related mods. |
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Open question: link albums belonging to a series to the Series entity instead of [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]]? Or better leave VA as the artist because a Series entity is not an Artist entity and this could cause implementation problems? So better link it *additionally* to the Series? |
Open question: link albums belonging to a series to the Series entity instead of [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]]? Or better leave VA as the artist because a Series entity is not an Artist entity and this could cause implementation problems? So better link it *additionally* to the Series? |
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==Discussion== |
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Me love! Especially I love the series proposal if it would mean that we would dump the volume number style guideline (which is used for keeping releases in a series together even if their names don't really imply it). //[[User:bnw|bnw]] |
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I'm not too sure of the new name of this page. Is this really about Advanced Entities? As I understood it it was just a suggestion for a few new 'normal' entrities. //[[User:bnw|bnw]] |
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Re: Entities, related concepts: what's the difference between "Group" and "Band?" Also, I think it'd be nice to have Collaboration, too. I'd also like to see a UPC and ISBN AR link for releases. [[User:ojnkpjg|ojnkpjg]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">A "Group" is a more general term. A band is a group as is an orchestra, but an orchestra is not a band. Though these related concepts list was not meant to be exclusive, I just wanted to list some terms that are used yet and are related to the Artist entity and perhaps could lead to some discussion about more subtypes of this entity. I don't think we need an entity for UPC or ISBNs. In [[Release Data Set|ReleaseDataSet]] I wrote another proposal that covers this. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]] |
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----| Original author: [[User:Shepard|Shepard]] |
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Latest revision as of 07:58, 28 September 2011
This page was a collective proposal for new entities that had not yet been implemented, their behaviour and how to present them. Many of the ideas here had since been implemented, as of March 2010. Those which had not been, and were not yet planned (the NGS release), have been split off to Advanced Entity (Post-NGS) for future discussion/development.
See DataElementsForAdvancedRelationships for an older proposal.
Idea
At the moment we have the following CoreEntities:
- Artist
- related concepts: Group, Band, Orchestra, Person, LegalName, PerformanceName, RoleName, FictionalPerson/Character
- Album
- Track
We already have the following AdvancedEntity:
- URL
The following entities with the described behaviour are proposed:
- Label For record labels, subdivisions of labels and distributors
- field: LabelCode
- AR to URL possible (label website (use "official website"?), Discogs entry, Wikipedia, discography site)
- AR to Artist ("is/was signed to from ... to ...")
- AR to Label ("is sub-division of", "is distributor of"?)
- album listing with all albums which have the id of this label in a release
- "View Mods" for related edits
- AlbumGroups These would be called differently depending the proposal, so I just list the proposals here:
- ReleaseGroups -- This was written before AdvancedRelationships and therefore is conceived as a new CoreEntity, but should not be one, would we implement this now.
- ReleaseHandlingPhilosophy -- This proposal could be implemented without an additional entity, but an explicit album group would not really hurt.
- AlbumGroups These would be called differently depending the proposal, so I just list the proposals here:
Additionally one could think of different types of AlbumGroups like:
- ReleaseGroup/EditionGroup for different variants of one idea of an album
One AlbumEntity could be member of several groups - like Apocalyptica's "Cult: Special Edition (disc 1)" is in the same EditionGroup like the original "Cult" release but also in a BoxSet together with "Cult: Special Edition (disc 2)" (but that could lead to multi-inheritance problems if you also want to use an inheritance mechanism like for ArtistGroups). And you have to differentiate between a group of albums representing the same abstract album idea and groups of albums representing the same recording (important for linking recording information to the group).
- TrackGroups Track groups would be the equivalent to the abstract idea of a Song while the Track entity stores data for one version/release of a track (which perhaps still could be used for several albums - so one Track entity could be on an album and a compilation).
- Easier to link covers, participating artist infos and so on
- TrackGroups Track groups would be the equivalent to the abstract idea of a Song while the Track entity stores data for one version/release of a track (which perhaps still could be used for several albums - so one Track entity could be on an album and a compilation).
Like for albums you have to separate between groups of tracks representing the same abstract song (of one artist!) and groups of tracks representing the same recording of a song. For new more detailed proposals for such groups see AlbumRework and TrackGrouping.
Description
(More detailed description missing...)
Label entities could then be used in extended release infos of albums. Both labels and series help to keep an overview of the related releases and the related mods.
Open question: link albums belonging to a series to the Series entity instead of VariousArtists? Or better leave VA as the artist because a Series entity is not an Artist entity and this could cause implementation problems? So better link it *additionally* to the Series?