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This page discusses a new tree for the [[Vocal Relationship Attribute|VocalRelationshipAttribute]]. It's a spin-off from [[Performance Restructuring Proposal|PerformanceRestructuringProposal]] to be able to discuss this easier; for more info about the circumstances, look there. This process is being tracked through [[Ticket:1140|1140]].
This page discusses a new tree for the [[Vocal Relationship Attribute|VocalRelationshipAttribute]]. This proposal began over in the [[Performance Restructuring Proposal]].


==The current vocal tree==
Please note that there is a proposal to add a separate sub-type [[Speaker Relationship Type|SpeakerRelationshipType]] to the vocal [[Performer Relationship Type|PerformerRelationshipType]] and [[Narrator Relationship Type|NarratorRelationshipType]], [[Reader Relationship Type|ReaderRelationshipType]] as subtypes to [[Speaker Relationship Type|SpeakerRelationshipType]], so speech should probably not be included in this tree.
: ''Generic vocal types:''
::* Lead
::* Background
::* Choir
: ''Specific vocal types:''
::* Alto
::* Bass-Baritone
::* Contralto
::* Baritone
::* Bass
::* Countertenor
::* Mezzo-soprano
::* Soprano
::* Tenor


==The Tree==
==The proposed vocal tree==
* ''Generic vocal types'' (unselectable)
::* Lead
::::* Female
::::* Male
::* Background
::::* Female
::::* Male
::* Choir
::::* Barbershop quartet
::::* Children's choir
::::* Female choir
::::* Male choir (aka: cathedral choir)
::::* Men's choir
::::* Mixed choir
* ''Specific vocal types'' (unselectable)
::* Soprano
::::* Coloratura soprano
::::::* Light coloratura soprano
::::::* Lyric coloratura soprano
::::::* Dramatic coloratura soprano
::::* Soubrette (aka: soprano lirico-leggiero)
::::* Soprano leggiero
::::* Lyric soprano
::::::* Light lyric soprano
::::::* Full lyric soprano
::::* Spinto soprano (aka: soprano lirico-spinto, jugendlich-dramatisch)
::::* Dramatic soprano
::::* Wagnerian soprano
::::* Sopranista (aka: male soprano)
::::* Soprano I
::::* Soprano II
::* Castrato
::* Sopranist
::* Dugazon
::* Falcon
::* Mezzo-soprano
:::* Coloratura mezzo-soprano
:::* Lyric-colorata alto
:::* Dramatic mezzo-soprano
::* Falsetto
::::* Male soprano
::::* Male alto
::* Contralto
::::* Coloratura contralto
::::* Lyric contralto
::::* Dramatic contralto
::* Contratenor
::::* Countertenor (aka: contratenor altus, haute-contre)
::::* Contratenor bassus
::* Alto
::::* Alto I
::::* Alto II
::* Tenor
::::* Lirico-leggero tenor
::::* Lyric tenor
::::* Spinto tenor
::::* Dramatic tenor (aka: tenore lirico-spinto)
::::* Heldentenor
::::* Tenor buffo (aka: spieltenor)
::::* Tenor I
::::* Tenor II
::::* Baritenor
::* Baritone
::::* Baryton-Martin (aka: Bariton)
::::* Lyric baritone
::::* Kavalierbariton
::::* Verdi baritone
::::* Dramatic baritone
::::* Lyric Low Baritone (aka: lyric bass-baritone)
::::* Dramatic Bass-baritone (aka: low Baritone)
::::* Baryton-noble
::* Bass
::::* Basso cantante (aka: lyric high bass, lyric bass-baritone)
::::* Dramatic high bass (aka: dramatic bass-baritone, Hoher bass)
::::* Jugendlicher bass
::::* Basso buffo (aka: bel canto, lyric buffo)
::::* Schwerer spielbass (aka: dramatic buffo)
::::* Lyric basso profondo
::::* Dramatic basso profondo
* Other
::* Beatbox
::* Chant
::* Scat
::* Speech / Spoken Word
::* Sprechgesang
::* Sprechstimme
::* Synthesized
::* Throat singing
::* Whistling
::* Yodel
::* Gang (used for some punk releases) [[User:Jacobbrett|jacobbrett]] 19:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


==Left for some other proposal(s)==
The idea is to split up the attribute '''vocal''' into '''vocal role''' and '''vocal range/tone''', so those attributes could then be set separately.
* (Other)

::* Growl
[[Performance Relationship Class|PerformanceRelationshipClass]]
::* Lilting
* vocal role (This attribute describes a type of vocal performance.)
::* Ranting
** Lead (Lead or solo vocal)
::* Rap
** Background (new)
*** Choir (Choir)
::** Melodic rap
::* Scream
*** Chorus (Chorus)
::* Toasting
*** Backing (previously Background vocal)
::* Vocalise
*** Harmony (Harmony) --[[User:FrederikSOlesen|FrederikSOlesen]]: Sometimes vocals are listed as "harmony vocals", and I'm unsure what of the above background vocal categories it would belong to, if any.
::* Otakebi (a type of Japanese battle cry)

** Other --[[User:FrederikSOlesen|FrederikSOlesen]]: There will always be exceptions. :)

* vocal tone (This attribute describes a style/tone/range of vocal performance.)
** classical (unselectable) *
*** Alto (Alto)
*** Bass-Baritone (Bass-Baritone)
*** Contralto (Contralto)
*** Baritone (Baritone)
*** Bass (Bass)
*** Contra-tenor (Contra-tenor)
*** Mezzo-soprano (Mezzo-soprano)
*** Soprano (Soprano)
*** Tenor (Tenor)
*** Recitative (Recitative)

** modern (unselectable) *
*** rap
**** Sprechgesang

*** growl
*** scat
*** yodel
*** lilt(ing) --[[User:FrederikSOlesen|FrederikSOlesen]]: Traditional (Irish) way of 'singing' tunes
*** chant
*** whistle
*** other --[[User:FrederikSOlesen|FrederikSOlesen]]: There will always be exceptions. :)
*** add please.

related is also
* Speaker (as per [[Speaker Relationship Type|SpeakerRelationshipType]])
* narrator (as per [[Narrator Relationship Type|NarratorRelationshipType]])
* reader (as per [[Reader Relationship Type|ReaderRelationshipType]])


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There are 3 separate [[Proposals|proposals]] to add separate relationship types to cover basic speech and its subtypes; speech is here, but it's left to subtypes of that AR to detail various types of speech.

* [[Speaker Relationship Type]] and the sub-relationship types:
* It's currently not possible to have unselectable relationship attributes. [[Ticket:2113|2113]] proposes to make this possible.
::* [[Narrator Relationship Type]]

::* [[Reader Relationship Type]]
==Discussion==

mudcrow added these to my page,i'm moving them here, I dunno what to do with them.
* Vocalese --[[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]]: closely related to scat, vocalese is similar but uses lyrics. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocalese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocalese]
* Voice --[[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]]: common credit on spoken word tracks, and tracks that contain spoken word, although the spoken word is usually a background, rather than the foreground. Also a common credit for shouting, screaming etc. Such tracks are specifically credited as voice instead of the usual vocals.
* Spoken Word --[[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]]: an artistic performance where lyrics, poetry or stories is spoken (or shouted), often with a musical background. Ranting is a similar form, where poetry/lyrics are spoken/shouted at a high speed. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoken_word http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoken_word]
* Toasting --[[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]]: talking or chanting over a rhythm or a beat. An African tradition that has moved in modern times into reggae and dub music. Not to be confused with rap. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toasting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toasting]
* Human Beatbox --[[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]]: mostly used in rap music, using the human voice to create an imitation of purcussion instruments, scratches and a variety of other instruments. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_beatbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_beatbox]

===Terminology===

===vocal tone===

Rapping, growling, lilting, etc. isn't a 'tone' but a specific (or not so specific) style of singing. A word different from "tone" would be appreciated. --[[User:FrederikSOlesen|FrederikSOlesen]]

=====modern=====

Under "vocal tone", I'd like to find another wording than "modern" for non-classical since I believe yodeling, lilting, and related styles to be as old (or older) than the classical divisions. Perhaps, related to the above comment, renaming "classical" to "tone (range)" and "modern" to "singing style" (or something better, but I'm somewhat tired right now). --[[User:FrederikSOlesen|FrederikSOlesen]]

===vocal role===

Vocal role is also not the best choice as it coincides with the proposal of a free-text attribute for the role someone represents in a performance (like "[[Some Guy|SomeGuy]] performed tenor vocal as The Beast" - tenor is the "vocal role" as described here, "The Beast" would be a free-text attribute for the character that is represented). Perhaps "character" would actually be a better term for the ''free-text attribute'', then this could stay. -- [[User:Shepard|Shepard]] 12:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Proposal]] [[Category:Discussion]]

Latest revision as of 22:29, 28 August 2016


Status: This page describes an active advanced relationship proposal and is not official.



Proposal number: RFC-4
Champion: BrianFreud
Current status: In development
Initial Discussion


Trac ticket # 1140

This page discusses a new tree for the VocalRelationshipAttribute. This proposal began over in the Performance Restructuring Proposal.

The current vocal tree

Generic vocal types:
  • Lead
  • Background
  • Choir
Specific vocal types:
  • Alto
  • Bass-Baritone
  • Contralto
  • Baritone
  • Bass
  • Countertenor
  • Mezzo-soprano
  • Soprano
  • Tenor

The proposed vocal tree

  • Generic vocal types (unselectable)
  • Lead
  • Female
  • Male
  • Background
  • Female
  • Male
  • Choir
  • Barbershop quartet
  • Children's choir
  • Female choir
  • Male choir (aka: cathedral choir)
  • Men's choir
  • Mixed choir
  • Specific vocal types (unselectable)
  • Soprano
  • Coloratura soprano
  • Light coloratura soprano
  • Lyric coloratura soprano
  • Dramatic coloratura soprano
  • Soubrette (aka: soprano lirico-leggiero)
  • Soprano leggiero
  • Lyric soprano
  • Light lyric soprano
  • Full lyric soprano
  • Spinto soprano (aka: soprano lirico-spinto, jugendlich-dramatisch)
  • Dramatic soprano
  • Wagnerian soprano
  • Sopranista (aka: male soprano)
  • Soprano I
  • Soprano II
  • Castrato
  • Sopranist
  • Dugazon
  • Falcon
  • Mezzo-soprano
  • Coloratura mezzo-soprano
  • Lyric-colorata alto
  • Dramatic mezzo-soprano
  • Falsetto
  • Male soprano
  • Male alto
  • Contralto
  • Coloratura contralto
  • Lyric contralto
  • Dramatic contralto
  • Contratenor
  • Countertenor (aka: contratenor altus, haute-contre)
  • Contratenor bassus
  • Alto
  • Alto I
  • Alto II
  • Tenor
  • Lirico-leggero tenor
  • Lyric tenor
  • Spinto tenor
  • Dramatic tenor (aka: tenore lirico-spinto)
  • Heldentenor
  • Tenor buffo (aka: spieltenor)
  • Tenor I
  • Tenor II
  • Baritenor
  • Baritone
  • Baryton-Martin (aka: Bariton)
  • Lyric baritone
  • Kavalierbariton
  • Verdi baritone
  • Dramatic baritone
  • Lyric Low Baritone (aka: lyric bass-baritone)
  • Dramatic Bass-baritone (aka: low Baritone)
  • Baryton-noble
  • Bass
  • Basso cantante (aka: lyric high bass, lyric bass-baritone)
  • Dramatic high bass (aka: dramatic bass-baritone, Hoher bass)
  • Jugendlicher bass
  • Basso buffo (aka: bel canto, lyric buffo)
  • Schwerer spielbass (aka: dramatic buffo)
  • Lyric basso profondo
  • Dramatic basso profondo
  • Other
  • Beatbox
  • Chant
  • Scat
  • Speech / Spoken Word
  • Sprechgesang
  • Sprechstimme
  • Synthesized
  • Throat singing
  • Whistling
  • Yodel
  • Gang (used for some punk releases) jacobbrett 19:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Left for some other proposal(s)

  • (Other)
  • Growl
  • Lilting
  • Ranting
  • Rap
    • Melodic rap
  • Scream
  • Toasting
  • Vocalise
  • Otakebi (a type of Japanese battle cry)

There are 3 separate proposals to add separate relationship types to cover basic speech and its subtypes; speech is here, but it's left to subtypes of that AR to detail various types of speech.

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