History:CSG Standard/JS Bach

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This is going to be a workinprogress for quite some time :-) Concentrating on the vocal works first, then we'll see... Your contributions are welcome. BTW using texts from Walter Bishop's site.

Works

The structure here follows mostly this article.
Alert.png Note that vocalists after libretto is correct OperaTrackStyle, but breaks current CSG.

  • Actually, OperaTrackStyle says the vocalists should go after the song type (aria, recitative, etc.) but before the words in quotes. -AaronCooper
Geistliche Kantaten - BWV 1-200
BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis"
21 1 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil I, I. Sinfonia
21 2 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil I, II. Coro "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis in meinem Herzen"
21 3 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil I, III. Aria "Seufzer, Tränen, Kummer, Not" (Soprano)
21 4 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil I, IV. Recitativo "Wie hast du dich, mein Gott" (Tenore)
21 5 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil I, V. Aria "Bäche von gesalznen Zähren" (Tenore)
21 6 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil I, VI. Coro "Was betrübst du dich, meine Seele"
21 7 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil II, VII. Recitativo "Ach Jesu, meine Ruh" (Seele, Jesus)
21 8 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil II, VIII. Aria "Komm, mein Jesu, und erquicke" (Duetto: Seele, Jesus)
21 9 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil II, IX. Coro "Sei nun wieder zufrieden, meine Seele"
21 10 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil II, X. Aria "Erfreue dich, Seele, erfreue dich, Herze" (Tenore)
21 11 Kantate, BWV 21 "Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis": Teil II, XI. Coro "Das Lamm, das erwürget ist"
BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan"
99 1 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": I. Coro "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan"
99 2 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": II. Recitativo (Basso) "Sein Wort der Wahrheit stehet fest"
99 3 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": III. Aria (Tenore) "Erschüttre dich nur nicht, verzagte Seele"
99 4 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": IV. Recitativo (Alto) "Nun, der von Ewigkeit geschloss'ne Bund"
99 5 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": V. Aria (Duetto Soprano, Alto) "Wenn des Kreuzes Bitterkeiten"
99 6 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": VI. Coro "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan"
BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit" oder "Actus tragicus"
106 1 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": I. Sonatina
106 2 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": IIa. Coro "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit"
106 3 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": IIb. Arioso (Tenore) "Ach, Herr, lehre uns bedenken"
106 4 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": IIc. Aria (Basso) "Bestelle dein Haus"
106 5 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": IId. Coro "Es ist der alte Bund"
106 6 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": IIIa. Aria (Alto) "In deine Hände befehl ich meinen Geist"
106 7 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": IIIb. Arioso (Basso) e Choral (Alto) "Heute wirst du mit mir im Paradies sein"
106 8 Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": IV. Coro "Glorie, Lob, Ehr und Herrlichkeit"
There's no real CSG way for more than one common name. I've seen "foo" / "bar" used. This version is from a cover. Watch the mvts 2-3, they may or may not be split into separate tracks.
BWV 131 "Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir"
131 1 Kantate, BWV 131 "Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir": I. Coro "Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir"
131 2 Kantate, BWV 131 "Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir": II. Arioso (Basso) e choral (Soprano) "So du wilt, Herr, Sünde zurechnen"
131 3 Kantate, BWV 131 "Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir": III. Coro "Ich harre des Herrn"
131 4 Kantate, BWV 131 "Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir": IV. Aria (Tenore) e choral (Alto) "Meine Seele wartet auf den Herrn"
131 5 Kantate, BWV 131 "Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir": V. Coro "Israel, hoffe auf den Herrn"
BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben"
147 1 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil I, I. Coro "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben"
147 2 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil I, II. Recitativo "Gebenedeiter Mund!" (Tenore)
147 3 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil I, III. Aria "Schäme dich, o Seele, nicht" (Alto)
147 4 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil I, IV. Recitativo "Verstockung kann Gewaltige verblenden" (Basso)
147 5 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil I, V. Aria "Bereite dir, Jesu, noch itzo die Bahn" (Soprano)
147 6 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil I, VI. Choral "Wohl mir, dass ich Jesum habe"
147 7 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil II, VII. Aria "Hilf, Jesu, hilf, dass ich auch dich bekenne" (Tenore)
147 8 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil II, VIII. Recitativo "Der höchsten Allmacht Wunderhand" (Alto)
147 9 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil II, IX. Aria "Ich will von Jesu Wundern singen" (Basso)
147 10 Kantate, BWV 147 "Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben": Teil II, X. Choral "Jesus bleibet meine Freude"
Weltliche Kantaten - BWV 201-216
BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit"
210 1 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": I. Recitativo "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit" (Soprano)
210 2 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": II. Aria "Spielet, ihr beseelten Lieder" (Soprano)
210 3 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": III. Recitativo "Doch, haltet ein, Ihr muntern Saiten" (Soprano)
210 4 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": IV. Aria "Ruhet hie, matte Töne" (Soprano)
210 5 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": V. Recitativo "So glaubt man denn, dass die Musik verführe" (Soprano)
210 6 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": VI. Aria "Schweigt, ihr Flöten, schweigt, ihr Töne" (Soprano)
210 7 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": VII. Recitativo "Was Luft? was Grab? (Soprano)"
210 8 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": VIII. Aria "Großer Gönner, dein Vergnügen" (Soprano)
210 9 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": IX. Recitativo "Hochteurer Mann, so fahre ferner fort" (Soprano)
210 10 Kantate, BWV 210 "O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit": X. Aria "Seid beglückt, edle beide" (Soprano)
BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht"
211 1 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": I. Recitativo "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht" (Tenore)
211 2 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": II. Aria "Hat man nicht mit seinen Kindern" (Basso)
211 3 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": III. Recitativo "Du böses Kind, du loses Mädchen" (Basso, Soprano)
211 4 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": IV. Aria "Ei, wie schmeckt der Coffee süße" (Soprano)
211 5 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": V. Recitativo "Wenn du mir nicht den Coffee läßt" (Basso, Soprano)
211 6 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": VI. Aria "Mädchen, die von harten Sinnen" (Basso)
211 7 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": VII. Recitativo "Nun folge, was dein Vater spricht" (Basso, Soprano)
211 8 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": VIII. Aria "Heute noch, lieber Vater, tut est doch" (Soprano)
211 9 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": IX. Recitativo "Nun geht und sucht der alte Schlendrian" (Tenore)
211 10 Kaffeekantate, BWV 211 "Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht": X. Coro "Die Katze läßt das Mausen nicht" (Terzetto: Soprano, Tenore, Basso)
Is "Kaffeekantate" a common name? Could possibly use roles instead of voice range? "Liesgen" (Soprano), "Schlendrian" (Basso), [Erzähler] (is this official?) (Tenore)
Zu Unrecht Bach zugeschriebene Kantaten - BWV 217-224
Motetten BWV 225-231
Messen BWV 232-236
BWV 233 Missa in F-Dur
233 1 Missa in F-Dur, BWV 233: I. Kyrie: Coro "Kyrie"
233 2 Missa in F-Dur, BWV 233: IIa. Gloria: Coro "Gloria in excelsis Deo"
233 3 Missa in F-Dur, BWV 233: IIb. Gloria: Aria "Domine Deus" (Basso)
233 4 Missa in F-Dur, BWV 233: IIc. Gloria: Aria "Qui tollis peccata mundi" (Soprano)
233 5 Missa in F-Dur, BWV 233: IId. Gloria: Aria "Quoniam tu solus Sanctus" (Alto)
233 6 Missa in F-Dur, BWV 233: IIe. Gloria: Coro "Cum Sancto Spiritu"
BWV 234 Missa in A-Dur
234 1 Missa in A-Dur, BWV 234: I. Kyrie: Coro "Kyrie"
234 2 Missa in A-Dur, BWV 234: IIa. Gloria: Coro "Gloria in excelsis Deo"
234 3 Missa in A-Dur, BWV 234: IIb. Gloria: Aria "Domine Deus, Rex coelestis" (Basso)
234 4 Missa in A-Dur, BWV 234: IIc. Gloria: Aria "Qui tollis peccata mundi" (Soprano)
234 5 Missa in A-Dur, BWV 234: IId. Gloria: Aria "Quoniam tu solus sanctus" (Alto)
234 6 Missa in A-Dur, BWV 234: IIe. Gloria: Coro "Cum Sancto Spiritu"
BWV 235 Missa in G-Moll
235 1 Missa in G-Moll, BWV 235: I. Kyrie: Coro "Kyrie"
235 2 Missa in G-Moll, BWV 235: IIa. Gloria: Coro "Gloria in excelsis Deo"
235 3 Missa in G-Moll, BWV 235: IIb. Gloria: Aria "Gratias agimus tibi" (Basso)
235 4 Missa in G-Moll, BWV 235: IIc. Gloria: Aria "Domine Fili unigenite" (Alto)
235 5 Missa in G-Moll, BWV 235: IId. Gloria: Aria "Qui tollis peccata mundi" (Tenore)
235 6 Missa in G-Moll, BWV 235: IIe. Gloria: Coro "Cum Sancto Spiritu"
BWV 236 Missa in G-Dur
236 1 Missa in G-Dur, BWV 236: I. Kyrie: Coro "Kyrie"
236 2 Missa in G-Dur, BWV 236: IIa. Gloria: Coro "Gloria in excelsis Deo"
236 3 Missa in G-Dur, BWV 236: IIb. Gloria: Aria "Gratias agimus tibi" (Basso)
236 4 Missa in G-Dur, BWV 236: IIc. Gloria: Duetto "Domine Deus" (Soprano, Alto)
236 5 Missa in G-Dur, BWV 236: IId. Gloria: Aria "Quoniam tu solus Sanctus" (Tenore)
236 6 Missa in G-Dur, BWV 236: IIe. Gloria: Coro "Cum Sancto Spiritus"
Einzelne Messsätze BWV 237-242
Magnificat, Passionen, Oratorien BWV 243-249
BWV 244 Matthäus-Passion
244 1 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, I. Coro "Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen", Corale "O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig"
244 2 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, II. "Da Jesus diese Rede vollendet hatte" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 3 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, III. Corale "Herzliebster Jesu, was hast du verbrochen"
244 4 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IVa. "Da versammelten sich die Hohenpriester" (Evangelista)
244 5 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IVb. Cori "Ja nicht auf das Fest"
244 6 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IVc. "Da nun Jesus war zu Bethanien" (Evangelista)
244 7 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IVd. Coro "Wozu dienet dieser Unrat"
244 8 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IVe. "Da das Jesus merkete" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 9 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, V. Recitativo "Du lieber Heiland du" (Alto)
244 10 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, VI. Aria "Buss und Reu" (Alto)
244 11 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, VII. "Da ging hin der Zwölfen einer" (Evangelista, Judas)
244 12 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, VIII. Aria "Blute nur, du liebes Herz" (Soprano)
244 13 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IXa. "Aber am ersten Tage der süssen Brot" (Evangelista)
244 14 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IXb. Coro "Wo willst du, dass wir dir bereiten"
244 15 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IXc. "Er sprach: Gehet hin in die Stadt" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 16 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IXd. "Und sie wurden sehr betrübt" (Evangelista)
244 17 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, IXe. Coro "Herr, bin ichs"
244 18 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, X. Corale "Ich bin's, ich sollte büssen"
244 19 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XI. "Er antwortete und sprach" (Evangelista, Jesus, Judas)
244 20 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XII. Recitativo "Wiewohl mein Herz in Tränen schwimmt" (Soprano)
244 21 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XIII. Aria "Ich will dir mein Herze schenken" (Soprano)
244 22 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XIV. "Und da sie den Lobgesang gesprochen hatten" (Evangelista, Judas)
244 23 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XV. Corale "Erkenne mich, mein Hüter"
244 24 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XVI. "Petrus aber antwortete und sprach zu ihm" (Evangelista, Petrus, Jesus)
244 25 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XVII. Corale "Ich will hier bei dir stehen"
244 26 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XVIII. "Da kam Jesus mit ihnen zu einen Hofe" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 27 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XIX. Recitativo "O Schmerz! Hier zittert das gequälte Herz" (Tenore), Corale "Was ist die Ursach' aller solcher Plagen"
244 28 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XX. Aria "Ich will bei meinen Jesu wachen" (Tenore), Coro "So schlafen unsre Sünden ein"
244 29 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXI. "Und ging hin ein wenig" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 30 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXII. Recitativo "Der Heiland fällt vor seinem Vater nieder" (Basso)
244 31 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXIII. Aria "Gerne will ich mich bequemen" (Basso)
244 32 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXIV. "Und er kam zu seinen Jüngern" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 33 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXV. Corale "Was mein Gott will, das g'scheh allzeit"
244 34 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXVI. "Und er kam und fand sie aber schlafend" (Evangelista, Jesus, Judas)
244 35 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XVIIa. Duetto "So ist mein Jesus nun gefangen" (Soprano, Alto), Coro "Lasst ihn, haltet, bindet nicht"
244 36 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XVIIb. Cori "Sind Blitze, sind Donner in Wolken verschwunden?"
244 37 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXVIII. "Und siehe, einer aus denen, die mit Jesu waren" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 38 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil I, XXIX. Corale "O Mensch, bewein dein Sünde gross"
244 39 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXX. Aria "Ach! nun ist mein Jesus hin" (Alto), Coro "Wo ist denn dein Freund hingegangen"
244 40 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXI. "Die aber Jesum gegriffen hatten" (Evangelista)
244 41 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXII. Corale "Mir hat die Welt trüglich gericht'"
244 42 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXIII. "Und wiewohl viel falsche Zeugen herzutraten" (Evangelista, Testis I/II, Pontifex)
244 43 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXIV. Recitativo "Mein Jesus schweigt zu falschen Lügen stille" (Tenore)
244 44 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXV. Aria "Geduld! Wenn mich falsche Zungen stechen" (Tenore)
244 45 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVIa. "Und der Hohepriester antwortete" (Evangelista, Pontifex, Jesus)
244 46 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVIb. Cori "Er ist des Todes schuldig"
244 47 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVIc. "Da speieten sie aus" (Evangelista)
244 48 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVId. Cori "Weissage uns, Christe"
244 49 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVII. Corale "Wer hat dich so geschlagen"
244 50 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVIIIa. "Petrus aber sass draussen im Palast" (Evangelista, Ancilla I/II, Petrus)
244 51 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVIIIb. Coro "Wahrlich, du bist auch einer von denen"
244 52 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXVIIIc. "Da hub er an, sich zu verfluchen" (Evangelista, Petrus)
244 53 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XXXIX. Aria "Erbarme dich, mein Gott" (Alto)
244 54 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XL. Corale "Bin ich gleich von dir gewichen"
244 55 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLIa. "Des Morgens aber hielten alle Hohepriester" (Evangelista, Judas)
244 56 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLIb. Cori "Was gehet uns das an?"
244 57 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLIc. "Und er warf die Silberlinge in den Tempel" (Evangelista, Pontifex I/II)
244 58 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLII. Aria "Gebt mir meinen Jesum wieder" (Basso)
244 59 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLIII. "Sie hielten aber einen Rat" (Evangelista, Pilatus, Jesus)
244 60 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLIV. Corale "Befiehl du deine Wege"
244 61 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLVa. "Auf das Fest aber hatte der Landpfleger Gewohnheit" (Evangelista, Pilatus, Uxor Pilati, Cori)
244 62 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLVb. Cori "Lass ihn kreuzigen"
244 63 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLVI. Corale "Wie wunderbarlich ist doch diese Strafe"
244 64 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLVII. "Der Landpfleger sagte" (Evangelista, Pilatus)
244 65 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLVIII. Recitativo "Er hat uns allen wohlgetan" (Soprano)
244 66 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, XLIX. Aria "Aus Liebe will mein Heiland sterben" (Soprano)
244 67 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, La. "Sie schrieen aber noch mehr" (Evangelista)
244 68 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, Lb. Cori "Lass ihn kreuzigen"
244 69 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, Lc. "Da aber Pilatus sahe" (Evangelista, Pilatus)
244 70 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, Ld. Cori "Sein Blut komme über uns"
244 71 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, Le. "Da gab er ihnen Barrabam los" (Evangelista)
244 72 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LI. Recitativo "Erbarm es Gott" (Alto)
244 73 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LII. Aria "Können Tränen meiner Wangen" (Alto)
244 74 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LIIIa. "Da nahmen die Kriegsknechte" (Evangelista)
244 75 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LIIIb. Cori "Gegrüsset seist du, Jüdenkönig"
244 76 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LIIIc. "Und speieten ihn an" (Evangelista)
244 77 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LIV. Corale "O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden"
244 78 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LV. "Und da sie ihn verspottet hatten" (Evangelista)
244 79 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LVI. Recitativo "Ja freilich will in uns das Fleisch und Blut" (Basso)
244 80 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LVII. Aria "Komm, süsses Kreuz, so will ich sagen" (Basso)
244 81 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LVIIIa. "Und da sie an die Stätte kamen" (Evangelista)
244 82 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LVIIIb. Cori "Der du den Tempel Gottes zerbrichst"
244 83 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LVIIIc. "Desgleichen auch die Hohenpriester" (Evangelista)
244 84 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LVIIId. Cori "Andern hat er geholfen"
244 85 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LVIIIe. "Desgleichen schmäheten ihn auch die Mörder" (Evangelista)
244 86 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LIX. Recitativo "Ach Golgotha" (Alto)
244 87 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LX. Aria "Sehet, Jesus hat die Hand", Coro "Wohin?" (Alto)
244 88 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIa. "Und von der sechsten Stunde an" (Evangelista, Jesus)
244 89 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIb. Coro "Der rufet dem Elias"
244 90 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIc. "Und bald lief einer unter ihnen" (Evangelista)
244 91 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXId. Coro "Halt! lass sehen"
244 92 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIe. "Aber Jesus schriee abermal" (Evangelista)
244 93 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXII. Corale "Wenn ich einmal soll scheiden"
244 94 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIIIa. "Und siehe da, der Vorhang im Tempel zerriss" (Evangelista)
244 95 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIIIb. Cori "Wahrlich, dieser ist Gottes Sohn gewesen"
244 96 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIIIc. "Und es waren viel Weiber da" (Evangelista)
244 97 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXIV. Recitativo "Am Abend, da es kühle war" (Basso)
244 98 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXV. Aria "Mache dich, mein Herze, rein" (Basso)
244 99 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXVIa. "Und Joseph nahm den Leib" (Evangelista)
244 100 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXVIb. Cori "Herr, wir haben gedacht"
244 101 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXVIc. "Pilatus sprach zu ihnen" (Evangelista, Pilatus)
244 102 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXVII. Recitativo "Nun ist der Herr zur Ruh gebracht", Coro "Mein Jesu, gute Nacht" (Soprano, Alto, Tenore, Basso)
244 103 Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244: Teil II, LXVIII. Coro "Wir setzen uns mit Tränen nieder"
Vierstimmige Choralsätze - BWV 250-438
Lieder und Arien - BWV 439-524
Nicht choralgebundene Werke BWV 525-598
Choralsätze BWV 599-771
Zwei- und dreistimmige Werke BWV 772-805
Suiten BWV 806-845
Präludien und Fugen BWV 846-962
Sonaten, Konzerte, Variationen BWV 963-994
Werke für Laute - BWV 995-1000, 1006a
Werke für ein Soloinstrument - BWV 1001-1013
Sonaten mit Cembalo oder Continuo - BWV 1014-1040
Konzerte BWV 1041-1065
Suiten BWV 1066-1071
Kontrapunktische Werke - BWV 1072-1080

Discussions go here

Personally, I'd prefer to see English style CSG rather than German style CSG used (seems more common that classical is released in English rather than German style/keys), but that's just my own preference. However, I think some consistency in language and CSG language style is a must. IIRC, per CSG, German keys are just "A-Dur", not "in A-Dur" (or "ein A-Dur"). Also, there's already here a mix of languages for voice part titles - I see at least three already mixed - Alto/Alt, Coro/Chorus/Chori, etc. - some consistency there would be nice. Finally, for the voice parts, afaik, it's not specified as to order within CSG, but I would suggest the OperaStyle version is more readable and consistent, so "II. Recitativo "Sein Wort der Wahrheit stehet fest (Basso)" instead of "II. Recitativo (Basso) "Sein Wort der Wahrheit stehet fest". I'm glad to see this major project get started up though. :) -- BrianSchweitzer 13:06, 02 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes, on the formatting change... Though I see why it was done, and it works for the larger works, I think it breaks on the (much more numerous) smaller works. While the other format (columns, like the Mozart listing) may be a bit more redundant on a huge work like Matthäus-Passion, it has 2 benefits that this format loses. In columns form, it's consistent for every work, whether there's 1 or 99 movements. That means that if someone were to write a javascript to do work lookups, it's easy to simply scrape the proper row(s) from the appropriate column. Also, if someone wants to export this list to a spreadsheet, it's already column-formatted. In this current form, it is more readable, but for more machine-based (instead of human-based) use, the "meaning" of each row has been lost. I'd really suggest the format be switched back to the columns-based form. -- BrianSchweitzer 13:12, 02 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Me & pradig have discussed some of the issues you pointed out. We agreed to use OperaStyle for roles (eg. Judas, Pontifex) so I guess having vocalists after the quote would be more consistent, as you say. I put them before the quote because that's how I've always done it :) perhaps we can set a standard here... I think we agree on using Italian for vocalists (looking at pradig's last updates) as the titles are usually in Italian. But if we put vocalists after the quote, perhaps we should use German instead? There's also an inconsistency in roles (Pontifex=DE) vs. vocalists (Tenore=IT) that will be more apparent if we us OperaStyle consistently. Regarding title language, the releases I own have German titles in most cases, perhaps that's different outside Europe. I'd like to stick with German (& Italian), rather than adding a 3rd language. We removed the columns for (human) readability. I just wondered if we should put them back to be able to add another catalogue (BC: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach-Compendium). Do you mean the whole page must be one long table? Would headings inside the table be OK (like in the examples at the top of the page)? -- symphonick 13:58, 02 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Sure, you can do headings within the table - see how I do Notes in the Mozart list. I'd suggest, though, that it be kept to a single table, with the headings just rows within that table (Makes it much easier for GreaseMonkey/UserJS/etc to parse elements to the one table rather than trying to script to first find the correct table before doing even trying to find the right row in that table.) If I were to do the Mozart list again, and one thing you might want to consider too, it's much easier to script to the right movement if you also have a movement column, instead of somehow trying to ID the movement from the text, so:
99 1 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": I. Coro "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan"
99 2 Kantate, BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan": II. Recitativo (Basso) "Sein Wort der Wahrheit stehet fest"
  • I could live with a table like that. It really makes sense to have it parsable for any scripting language one might use. My only concern is that if we put everything in one single table we would end up with a 6000+ lines beast (rough estimate: 1000 number in BWV with 6 tracks each). But as we still don't know whether we might finish the whole work any time soon, we can postpone the decision about that until the table really get too big. -- pradig 00:22, 03 January 2008 (UTC)
    • A beast like this one? (Last I checked it was around 3500 lines or so, and still some 2 dozen or so works not listed). Yes it's a big table, but it's a reference page - I think making it easily scriptable and still readable is a bigger concern than it taking perhaps 8 seconds (on my old P3 machine here) to load and render. -- BrianSchweitzer 21:14, 03 January 2008 (UTC)
  • On the Bach-Compendium catalog, I have to admit I've not heard of it or seen it before. There's no equiv page in the english wiki, but I'm guessing it's something akin to the NME Mozart catalog. My only fear in having additional catalogs used would be if you tried to support multiple catalogs in the tracktext. K1/K6 made sense to list in columns, as each appears frequently without the other on liners, but I avoided listing NME/K2/K3 as columns, as they almost never are on any liner. I've only ever seen BWV numbers for JS Bach, but if you've found that BC numbers appear frequently enough to be worth it, then sure, I'd not see any reason not to list a column for those, to make referencing from BC liners to the correct BWV tracktitles easy. On the other hand, though, I think the point is that we do want the tracktitles to become standardized, so I couldn't see any good reason to have, say, a Matthäus-Passion listing for each BWV and BC, depending on which was used on a liner. (The exception, I think - and something I've thought about doing for the K6 deest Mozart works - would be if the BC has cat #s for any BWV deest works that are worth listing... In such a case, I'd tend to think any solid catalog # is better than yet another a deest, so long as it is indicated as BC (or whatever BC uses) and not BWV in the tracktitle. A similar case to this is Chopin, where editors have been using the B catalog for all the posthum. works that were un-ID in the standard Op. catalog.) -- BrianSchweitzer 18:13, 02 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I have never heard of the Bach-Compendium myself, too. Neither do any of the 100+ release of Bach's composition I own have a single reference to it. And all the major sources on the Web use BWV. So I would propose we consider it esoteric and go forward without it on this page. We don't want to do major research work but just create some sort of standard on track titles. -- pradig 00:22, 03 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Fine with me (I'll admit to having only seen "BC" used a small number of times, for instance on the Naxos webpages IIRC) -- symphonick 12:08, 03 January 2008 (UTC)
        • If either of you knows anything about Chopin, I've got a similar question about his cat #'s over on that wikipage - about to start a listing for him, trying to make a similar decision there. -- BrianSchweitzer 21:14, 03 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops, checking & CSG does define vocalists before the quote... (last example on page) -- symphonick 14:04, 02 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Yep, just saw it too - leaving a new subsection note in CSGD, as I don't think it makes as much sense as the OperaStyle form. -- BrianSchweitzer 18:13, 02 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I think we should put both roles and vocalists at the end of the of the track title using a much Italian as we can. There are not that many words that would be put here (the vocalists SATB plus coro and the roles you find in the oratorios). We could even create an "authentic list" of what is allowed. I agree with symphonick's point that using the English CSG would add another language you do not find in any of Bach's works. -- pradig 00:22, 03 January 2008 (UTC)

Another thing on track numbering. I know there is a discussion on using roman vs. arabic numerals going on. For the big compositions like Matthäus-Passion it really looks more than funny to use roman style (I had look up the logic for numbers > 38 the first time I did it). And all of the Bach scores I own use arabic numerals. Could we set a standard that for Bach's work arabic numerals will be used exclusively? -- pradig 00:22, 03 January 2008 (UTC)

  • IMO a universal solution is needed for this. I don't think we can have an exception just for Bach, & I'm not in favor of Jim's suggestion of a "breakpoint" at 7 mvts either. If we should have exceptions maybe we can consider using Arabic for large-scale vocal works; oriatorios, passions, possibly song-cycles (aren't most cantatas < 10 tracks?) -- symphonick 12:08, 03 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Personally, I don't find the roman numbers all that offensive - in fact, I kind of like them. I really wouldn't want any kind of breakpoint; either one or the other. Of course, that means then we'd have the (to my eyes) uglyness of ": 1. Allegro", ": 6. Minuetto", etc, I'd much rather take the odd IC or LVII if it means avoiding that. On the opera end, where it's much more common, it also means instead of "No. 28 Act VI, Scene XXIII" we'd be in the territory of "No. 28 Act 4, Scene 23", which looks to my eye slightly less "nice", and opera has always used roman in the libretto text. -- BrianSchweitzer 21:14, 03 January 2008 (UTC)

On the Matthäus-Passion, I notice within the dozen or so wikiedit notifications for this page from the last 24 hours that someone changed it to voiceparts, not roles, then it got changed back. Just wanted to say, from my point of view, if there is a useable role, such that OperaStyle can be used in liu of just role and CSG voice-part style, I'd much prefer the roles... -- BrianSchweitzer 18:34, 06 January 2008 (UTC)