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=Style for determining Release Artists on *classical* Releases=
 
=Style for determining Release Artists on *classical* Releases=
  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">[[Image:Alert.png]] '''Status:''' ''This is a [[Proposed Style Guideline|ProposedStyleGuideline]], which has not been sanctioned yet.'' [[Image:Attention.png]] ''This [[Style Guideline|StyleGuideline]] applies to [[Classical Style Guide| classical music]] only. For popular music see the [[Release Artist Style|ReleaseArtistStyle]].''  
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">[[Image:Alert.png]] '''Status:''' ''This is a [[Proposed Style Guideline|ProposedStyleGuideline]], which has not been sanctioned yet.'' [[Image:Attention.png]] ''This [[Style Guideline|StyleGuideline]] applies to [[Classical Style Guide| classical music]] only. For popular music see the [[Release Artist Style|ReleaseArtistStyle]].''  
 
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The [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] states that the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] of a classical [[Release]] should always be the composer. We make an exception with recitals by a single performer:
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The [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] states that the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] of a classical [[Release]] should always be the composer. We make an exception with recitals by a single performer:  
  
In cases where a release contains only work(s) performed primarily by a single group or individual, credited prominently on the release, that artist may be designated the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] if any one of the following conditions is met:  
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In cases where a release contains only work(s) performed primarily by a single group or individual, e.g
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I remain skeptical that packaging emphasis on the perf is really important. Ultimately what matters to me is whether it intuitively makes sense to file it under a single perf/group, based on the contents and the people involved.  My original language was "can be attributed to a single performer or group." - [[bklynd]]
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* it is "about the performer" rather than "about the composer", or
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I think the point is that the disc is "about the performer" rather than "about the composer".  This is correlated quite strongly with packaging prominence, which is why that can be a useful heuristic.
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* it can be attributed to a single performer or group, or
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* the performer is credited prominently on the release,  
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that artist may be used as the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] if any one of the following conditions is met:  
 
# The works are composed by different composers, and the album would otherwise be attributed to [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]]  
 
# The works are composed by different composers, and the album would otherwise be attributed to [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]]  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I think this is good, but not a sufficient condition without some more indication that the disc is a "recital album", i.e. "about the performer".  For example [http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html] would not qualify. -[[David Gibson|DavidGibson]] (dwg)
 
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# The tracks on the release, while all composed by one composer, are parts of multiple works, several of which are not present in their complete form or are drawn from different groups ("selections" or "highlights")  
 
# The tracks on the release, while all composed by one composer, are parts of multiple works, several of which are not present in their complete form or are drawn from different groups ("selections" or "highlights")  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">No, IMHO this should remain under composers, they are still more important than performers, no matter what. --[[User:ClutchEr2|ClutchEr2]]  
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">[[Image:Attention.png]] This condition is explicitily disputed. See discussion on mb-style whether these should remian under the composer.  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I don't agree with this case. I posted some examples to mb-style that are of this case but still seem (IMO) to belong under the composer, and I hope people will comment on that or offer counterexamples. - [[bklynd]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I concur. - [[David Gibson|DavidGibson]] (dwg)
 
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# The work(s) have all been arranged, remixed, or otherwise substantially modified by the primary performer  
 
# The work(s) have all been arranged, remixed, or otherwise substantially modified by the primary performer  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">- Rather than these various and somewhat difficult to interpret conditions, perhaps we would be better off illustrating the distinction with a batch of examples.  With any luck looking at those would let people calibrate their intuitive notion of whether the disc is "about the composer" or "about the performer".  I suggest [http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html] as an example "no" (should be Various Artists).  [http://musicbrainz.org/album/ffe54355-eaa6-4bf2-ae26-52ff652a4b03.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/ffe54355-eaa6-4bf2-ae26-52ff652a4b03.html] as an example "yes" (should be listed under performer).  [http://musicbrainz.org/album/29bec347-00f6-405c-978e-bd4d65f1b89c.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/29bec347-00f6-405c-978e-bd4d65f1b89c.html] as an example border case which we should decide one way or another before this becomes an official guideline.  [http://musicbrainz.org/album/0212b044-3497-426e-9afd-52bc5e76bbae.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/0212b044-3497-426e-9afd-52bc5e76bbae.html] an example of case (3). - [[David Gibson|DavidGibson]] (dwg)
 
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In the first case, the album should be entered with
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In the first case, the album should be entered with  
 
* the composers as the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s for each of the tracks (unless the third case applies)  
 
* the composers as the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s for each of the tracks (unless the third case applies)  
 
* the performer as the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]].  
 
* the performer as the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]].  
  
In the second case, the album should be entered with
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In the second case, the album should be entered with  
 
* the composer as the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] for each of the tracks (unless the third case applies)  
 
* the composer as the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] for each of the tracks (unless the third case applies)  
 
* the performer as the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]].  
 
* the performer as the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]].  
  
In the third case, the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] does not really apply. We are now more likely in the field of Jazz, electronic or popular music. Therefore the album should be entered as a single artist release with  
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In the third case, the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] does not really apply. The album should be entered as a single artist release with  
 
* the performer as the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]]  
 
* the performer as the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]]  
 
* the composer(s) should be attributed only by [[Advanced Relationships|AdvancedRelationships]] of the [[Composer Relationship Type|ComposerRelationshipType]] either to the whole album (if there is only one composer), or the individual tracks (if there are several composers).  
 
* the composer(s) should be attributed only by [[Advanced Relationships|AdvancedRelationships]] of the [[Composer Relationship Type|ComposerRelationshipType]] either to the whole album (if there is only one composer), or the individual tracks (if there are several composers).  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I think your first assertion here is unwarrented.  Jazz or electronic music based on classical is one likely case, but see the example I've suggested above where the music is untouched but Peter Schickele adds a narration, which I think qualifies for case (3). -[[David Gibson|DavidGibson]] (dwg)
 
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==More Details==
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==Details==
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Do not create new [[Artist]]s for collaborations that are not otherwise referred to (e.g. by other releases or [[Advanced Relationships|AdvancedRelationships]]) such as "Herbert von Karajan & The Berlin Philharmonic."!
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==Examples==
  
Please avoid creating new [[Artist]]s for collaborations that are not otherwise referred to (e.g. by other releases or [[Advanced Relationships|AdvancedRelationships]]).  
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Rather than these various and somewhat difficult to interpret conditions, perhaps we would be better off illustrating the distinction with a batch of examples.  With any luck looking at those would let people calibrate their intuitive notion of whether the disc is "about the composer" or "about the performer".
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This point seems like it could be more explicitly worded. From my understanding, we don't want new "collaborative groupings" (such as "Herbert von Karajan & The Berlin Philharmonic.") -[[bklynd]]  
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html] would not qualify, because it is not "about the performer". This collection of Masses should correctly remain under [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]].  
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html] should be Various Artists
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/album/ffe54355-eaa6-4bf2-ae26-52ff652a4b03.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/ffe54355-eaa6-4bf2-ae26-52ff652a4b03.html] should be listed under the performer
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/album/29bec347-00f6-405c-978e-bd4d65f1b89c.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/29bec347-00f6-405c-978e-bd4d65f1b89c.html] is a border case which we should decide one way or another before this becomes an official guideline.
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/album/0212b044-3497-426e-9afd-52bc5e76bbae.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/0212b044-3497-426e-9afd-52bc5e76bbae.html] is an example of case (3). The music is untouched but Peter Schickele adds a narration.
  
 
===References===
 
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Revision as of 16:25, 4 October 2006

Style for determining Release Artists on *classical* Releases

The ClassicalStyleGuide states that the ReleaseArtist of a classical Release should always be the composer. We make an exception with recitals by a single performer:

In cases where a release contains only work(s) performed primarily by a single group or individual, e.g

  • it is "about the performer" rather than "about the composer", or
  • it can be attributed to a single performer or group, or
  • the performer is credited prominently on the release,

that artist may be used as the ReleaseArtist if any one of the following conditions is met:

  1. The works are composed by different composers, and the album would otherwise be attributed to VariousArtists
  2. The tracks on the release, while all composed by one composer, are parts of multiple works, several of which are not present in their complete form or are drawn from different groups ("selections" or "highlights")
  • Attention.png This condition is explicitily disputed. See discussion on mb-style whether these should remian under the composer.
  1. The work(s) have all been arranged, remixed, or otherwise substantially modified by the primary performer

In the first case, the album should be entered with

  • the composers as the TrackArtists for each of the tracks (unless the third case applies)
  • the performer as the ReleaseArtist.

In the second case, the album should be entered with

  • the composer as the TrackArtist for each of the tracks (unless the third case applies)
  • the performer as the ReleaseArtist.

In the third case, the ClassicalStyleGuide does not really apply. The album should be entered as a single artist release with

Details

Do not create new Artists for collaborations that are not otherwise referred to (e.g. by other releases or AdvancedRelationships) such as "Herbert von Karajan & The Berlin Philharmonic."!

Examples

Rather than these various and somewhat difficult to interpret conditions, perhaps we would be better off illustrating the distinction with a batch of examples. With any luck looking at those would let people calibrate their intuitive notion of whether the disc is "about the composer" or "about the performer".

References