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An artist being featured or not can vary for the same track, depending on the context. For example, The song ''"Under Pressure"'' may have been initially credited as a collaborative effort by David Bowie and Queen ([http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=437665 e.g.]), but may be credited differently on their respective compilations. e.g., a David Bowie compilation might give Queen a featuring credit ([http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=238538 e.g.]), rather than a additional primary artist credit, or might not credit them outside of the liner notes at all ([http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=1054835 e.g.]). Use FeaturingArtistStyle or [[Collaboration Relationship Type|CollaborationRelationshipType]] as appropriate, but do not attempt to unify all instances to the same format. |
An artist being featured or not can vary for the same track, depending on the context. For example, The song ''"Under Pressure"'' may have been initially credited as a collaborative effort by David Bowie and Queen ([http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=437665 e.g.]), but may be credited differently on their respective compilations. e.g., a David Bowie compilation might give Queen a featuring credit ([http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=238538 e.g.]), rather than a additional primary artist credit, or might not credit them outside of the liner notes at all ([http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=1054835 e.g.]). Use FeaturingArtistStyle or [[Collaboration Relationship Type|CollaborationRelationshipType]] as appropriate, but do not attempt to unify all instances to the same format. |
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* The [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]]/[[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] is the main artist a track/release is credited to. This means, the artist mentioned on the release cover (in most cases the front cover), package or any other labelled package like entity that describes the release (e.g. release page for online releases). |
* The [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]]/[[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] is the main artist a track/release is credited to. This means, the artist mentioned on the release cover (in most cases the front cover), package or any other labelled package like entity that describes the release (e.g. release page for online releases). |
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* If a track features both "Foo" and "Bar", it should be entered as "... (feat. Foo & Bar)". For more than two: "... (feat. Foo, Bar, Baz ... & Quux)". |
* If a track features both "Foo" and "Bar", it should be entered as "... (feat. Foo & Bar)". For more than two: "... (feat. Foo, Bar, Baz ... & Quux)". |
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See [[Talk:Featuring Artist Style|FeaturingArtistStyleDiscussion]]. |
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''Comment'': You've dropped out the second part of the current FeaturingArtistStyle, "If no artist can be considered secondary...", which describes what to do in the event of an equal collaboration. I think it's needed here, because I don't see it described elsewhere. Maybe in [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]]? If so put a reference to that. [[Collaboration Relationship Type|CollaborationRelationshipType]] doesn't tell the story about creating a [[Collaboration Artist|CollaborationArtist]], that's for sure. —[[User:JimDeLaHunt|JimDeLaHunt]] 2008-02-06 |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">IMO the previous guidelines was incorrect and shouldn't have been here in the first place. I would be happy to create a [[Collaboration Artist Style|CollaborationArtistStyle]] but it would be little more than "''If two or more artists are credited equally as primary artist on a release, without using a new group name, represent them as a new artist "Artist X & Artist Y" (or, for multiple artists: "Artist X, Artist, ... & Artist Z")''". We need to move away from trying to work out who contributed what to a release, and instead look at how they're credited. —[[User:Gecks|Gecks]] 2008-02-07 |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Indeed, that part of the guideline dates from before collaboration artists (with AR's) were possible. There is no reason in the world to keep it here. -- [[User:KrazyKiwi|KrazyKiwi]] 2008-02-07 |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">So what do we have now (written text) about duets [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] ? Don't you think removing guidelines ("Artist A & Artist B" [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] + two [[Collaboration Relationship Type|CollaborationRelationshipType]]) on this is too much ? -- [[User:jesus2099|jesus2099]] 08:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC) |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">What's to say about it, though? If it's credited as a collaboration ("Artist A & Artist B") and there's no guideline for what to do with it, then users will add it in as is, which is exactly what any guideline would say anyway :) In any case it would require a new page as it's nothing to do with Featuring artists. -- [[User:Gecks|Gecks]] |
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''Comment'': I'd like to see some text at the beginning saying that this does not apply when [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] is in use. Note that CSG and [[Classical Release Artist Style|ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle]] already takes a different position from [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] and FeaturingArtistStyle on how to handle [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] for collaborations. [[Classical Release Title Style|ClassicalReleaseTitleStyle]] is about to discourage FeaturingArtistStyle altogether, I expect. How about this text, after second paragraph of "Official Guideline". —[[User:JimDeLaHunt|JimDeLaHunt]] 2008-02-06 |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This guideline applies to most [[Musical Genre|MusicalGenre]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s, but it does not apply to entries covered by the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]]. Collaboration takes a different form in [[Classical Music|ClassicalMusic]]. See the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]], and especially [[Classical Release Artist Style|ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle]] and [[Classical Release Title Style|ClassicalReleaseTitleStyle]], for guidance. |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Well, I would disagree with dropping FeaturingArtistStyle from the CSG. I think it still has a place there, but I've said my piece on the list. —[[User:Gecks|Gecks]] 2008-02-07 |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Do we really need to say "Except for CSG" here? It'll apply to every style guideline. It'd be more succinct to put on the CSG "...and ignore every other guideline MB has".-- [[User:KrazyKiwi|KrazyKiwi]] 2008-02-07 |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I agree, but more because using (feat.) is already not part of the current (unofficial) CSG - the only place within CSG it does occur is the messy release title exception in CSG - and that too is just waiting on a database / interface change to go away. I'd think it'd be rather easiest to leave CSG out here, and just add in to the title section of newCSG "until the db can do better, this guideline overrides [[Featuring Artist Style Amendment|FeaturingArtistStyleAmendment]]" or some such. It's cleaner, and makes it so when such a db interface does happen, we only have one guideline, not two, in need of updating. -- [[Brian Schweitzer|BrianSchweitzer]] 17:50, 07 February 2008 (UTC) |
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</ul>Yes, I think we really need to say "Except for CSG" here. One of the problems MB poses for contributors is that the style guidelines are often inconsistent and ambiguous. Without an "Except for CSG" disclaimer, then a contributor reading this guideline but not the CSG may not know the rules are different there. A contributor who reads both may not be sure which takes precedence. If both refer to the other and both say that CSG (actually, [[Classical Release Title Style|ClassicalReleaseTitleStyle]]) takes precedence where CSG applies, then MB is more consistent and less ambiguous. — [[User:JimDeLaHunt|JimDeLaHunt]] 2008-05-14 |
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''Comment:'' This text doesn't define the term "name-check". It would be helpful if it did. — [[User:JimDeLaHunt|JimDeLaHunt]] 2008-05-14 |
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Revision as of 15:56, 12 June 2008
Style for Featuring Artists
Ordering of ExtraTitleInformation which includes FeaturingArtistStyle, PartNumber, TrackVersion can be found under TrackTitle.
Official Guideline
This guideline applies to cases in which one or more artists are featured on a track or release by another artist, but not equally as they would be in a collaboration.
That is, they are given credit on the cover or track listing of a release by another artist in a manner which elevates their contribution above normal liner note credits. Often, the word "featured", "feat." or "featuring" proceeds their name(s).
In the event of this:
- file the track/release under the normal primary artist, and
- add AdvancedRelationships of the PerformanceRelationshipClass to link to the featuring artists, and
- append the name of the secondary artists to the TrackTitle
/ReleaseTitle as follows:
- "Put Your Lights On (feat. Everlast)"
An artist being featured or not can vary for the same track, depending on the context. For example, The song "Under Pressure" may have been initially credited as a collaborative effort by David Bowie and Queen (e.g.), but may be credited differently on their respective compilations. e.g., a David Bowie compilation might give Queen a featuring credit (e.g.), rather than a additional primary artist credit, or might not credit them outside of the liner notes at all (e.g.). Use FeaturingArtistStyle or CollaborationRelationshipType as appropriate, but do not attempt to unify all instances to the same format.
Details
- The TrackArtist/ReleaseArtist is the main artist a track/release is credited to. This means, the artist mentioned on the release cover (in most cases the front cover), package or any other labelled package like entity that describes the release (e.g. release page for online releases).
- For additional contributors who didn't perform on the track, use the various AdvancedRelationships to define their roles in relation to the track. Those can be contributors to the technical production process (mixers, producers, record engineers, etc.), remixers and others. The different roles are explained in CompilationRelationshipClass, CompositionRelationshipClass, ProductionRelationshipClass, RemixRelationshipClass. Note, that composers are often the main artists of classical releases (see ClassicalStyleGuide) and remixers or compilers can also be main artists if they fit into 1.
- If a track features both "Foo" and "Bar", it should be entered as "... (feat. Foo & Bar)". For more than two: "... (feat. Foo, Bar, Baz ... & Quux)".
