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=A Frogs' Brigade Editing Party=
=A Frogs' Brigade Editing Party=

==Help WANTED==

We badly need help to smack down the list of discids to investigate. You don't need to speak french for most of them!
* some of them require intensive researchs in language X (say: german)
* some of them require specific knowledge of "genre" Y (say: classical)
* some of them are simple homebrews, but most of them are a bit more tricky
* some of them may be simply ok...

----

We also need help hunting label/cat/EAN we still miss for some releases.

==Changelog==

* Working on Personne, Eicher and not being drowned by this list
* Created the [[Frogs Tidying Marathon Dump|FrogsTidyingMarathonDump]] -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 23:47, 05 November 2006 (UTC)


==What is this?==
==What is this?==


Motivation for this event: [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2006-September/013643.html in the mailing list]
Motivation for this event: [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2006-September/013643.html in the mailing list]
----


Future: will be moved back into [[French Artists|FrenchArtists]] whenever we think it's appropriate.
Future: will be moved back into [[French Artists|FrenchArtists]] whenever we think it's appropriate.
----


Original myth of Φειδιππιδης:
Original myth of Φειδιππιδης:


''So, when all-french-releases-typos were dust, all cried, "To the irc chan!''
''So, when all-french-releases-typos were dust, all cried, "To the irc chan!''
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- dmpΠάνda
- dmpΠάνda

==Help WANTED==

We badly need help to smack down the list of discids to investigate. You don't need to speak french for most of them!
* some of them require intensive researchs in language X (say: german)
* some of them require specific knowledge of "genre" Y (say: classical)
* some of them are simple homebrews, but most of them are a bit more tricky
* some of them may be simply ok...

We also need help hunting label/cat/EAN we still miss for some releases.

==Changelog==

-- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 00:30, 06 November 2006 (UTC)
* Working on Personne, Eicher and not being drowned by this list.
* Created the [[Frogs Tidying Marathon Dump|FrogsTidyingMarathonDump]], holding all remaining artists with french releases (possibly some already here)
* Discids have been reviewed for all artists down to and including the TODO list.
* Have been searched exhaustively, up to (including) letter A of the TODO list:
** Discogs & Wikipedia (artist entries)
** Discogs & Wikipedia.fr (release entries), but Air, Adamo and Jacques Brel
** Aliases
** Collabs ARs have been set
** Artist dates

* From letter B to E of the todo list (included):
** Discogs & Wikipedia (artist entries)

* All artists with at least 5 releases with ln set to french '''are listed''' in this page. Hooray!!!
* There are 6282 releases set to french. The top 5 french artists are:
** Various Artists (560)
** Édith Piaf (100)
** Jacques Brel (56)
** Georges Brassens (54)
** Barbara (43)

* There are 5751 Multiple languages releases, and some of them certainly belong to us!


==Contributors...==
==Contributors...==
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* D = Discogs, W = Wikipedia, M = Myspace, O = Official website, F = Fan site, I = IMDB, MM = [[MusicMoz]]
* D = Discogs, W = Wikipedia, M = Myspace, O = Official website, F = Fan site, I = IMDB, MM = [[MusicMoz]]

===Global status===

Discids have been reviewed for all artists actually linked in that page.

Have been searched exhaustively, up to (including) letter A of the TODO list:
* Discogs & Wikipedia (artist entries)
* Discogs & Wikipedia.fr (release entries), but Air, Adamo and Jacques Brel
* Aliases
* Collabs ARs have been set
* Artist dates

From letter B to E of the todo list (included):
* Discogs & Wikipedia (artist entries)


===Discids to investigate===
===Discids to investigate===
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** a (really quick) look at her releases gives me the feeling she sang very few french songs (but this need to be verified). Now, I'm suggesting the following criteria: "Is to be included in the main list an artist with at least one release with language set to french. Artists with no such release, but with a few french tracks should be included in a secondary list we could possibly maintain below".
** a (really quick) look at her releases gives me the feeling she sang very few french songs (but this need to be verified). Now, I'm suggesting the following criteria: "Is to be included in the main list an artist with at least one release with language set to french. Artists with no such release, but with a few french tracks should be included in a secondary list we could possibly maintain below".
*** I would draw the limit elsewhere... or add another category. Christopher Young did a release in french, and I am sure there must be other esoteric examples!
*** I would draw the limit elsewhere... or add another category. Christopher Young did a release in french, and I am sure there must be other esoteric examples!
**** "As far as I'm concerned, it's no longer about what is french and what's not. It's a question of domination. It's not their planet anymore, it's ours :D. We fix typos and document stuff wherever the french language is used. That's what we do best." (*) If someone wants to specifically add a "french" artist that don't meet the criteria, fine, he/she go ahead and add it. As for the core part of this list, I'm going to move in each and every artist with at least a french release (because that's the easy computable "limit line" from which we can extract reports from the db), and am going to subscribe to it, wash it, shake it, tidy it, then eat it :D. -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 00:30, 06 November 2006 (UTC)


===Unclear and/or mixed with homonym===
===Unclear and/or mixed with homonym===
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| 71996 || 5 || Guesch Patti
| 71996 || 5 || Guesch Patti
|-
| 42948 || 5 || Bruno Coulais
|-
| 256779 || 5 || Molodoï
|-
| 154670 || 5 || Jo, Sumi
|-
| 159778 || 5 || Alain Morisod & Sweet People
|-
| 12438 || 5 || Franz Schubert
|-
| 234804 || 5 || Ilona Mitrecey
|-
| 21703 || 5 || Harmonium
|-
| 258562 || 5 || In Memoriam
|-
| 57647 || 5 || Sortilège
|-
| 240621 || 5 || Atoll
|-
| 134560 || 5 || Les Malpolis
|-
| 30462 || 5 || Francis Poulenc
|-
| 1954 || 5 || Miles Davis
|-
| 38542 || 5 || Léo Delibes
|-
| 4523 || 5 || Sidney Bechet
|-
| 141434 || 5 || Ulan Bator
|-
| 55652 || 5 || Diane Dufresne
|-
| 58812 || 5 || La Tordue
|-
| 11285 || 5 || Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
|-
| 288564 || 5 || PKRK
|-
| 114472 || 5 || Les Escrocs
|-
| 118474 || 5 || Camille
|-
| 281069 || 5 || Tripod
|-
| 165784 || 5 || Joyeux Urbains
|-
| 1021 || 5 || Ludwig van Beethoven
|-
| 102489 || 5 || Guem
|}
|}


Revision as of 00:30, 6 November 2006

A Frogs' Brigade Editing Party

What is this?

Motivation for this event: in the mailing list

Future: will be moved back into FrenchArtists whenever we think it's appropriate.

Original myth of Φειδιππιδης:

So, when all-french-releases-typos were dust, all cried, "To the irc chan!

Run, Pheidippides, one edit more! the meed is thy due!

MusicBrainz is saved, thank Pan, go shout!" He flung down his shield

Ran like fire once more: and the space 'twixt the fennel-field

And MB was stubble again, a field which a fire runs through,

Till in he broke: "Rejoice, we fixed-em-all!" Like wine through clay,

Joy in his blood bursting his brainz, he died - the bliss!

- dmpΠάνda

Help WANTED

We badly need help to smack down the list of discids to investigate. You don't need to speak french for most of them!

  • some of them require intensive researchs in language X (say: german)
  • some of them require specific knowledge of "genre" Y (say: classical)
  • some of them are simple homebrews, but most of them are a bit more tricky
  • some of them may be simply ok...

We also need help hunting label/cat/EAN we still miss for some releases.

Changelog

-- dmppanda 00:30, 06 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Working on Personne, Eicher and not being drowned by this list.
  • Created the FrogsTidyingMarathonDump, holding all remaining artists with french releases (possibly some already here)
  • Discids have been reviewed for all artists down to and including the TODO list.
  • Have been searched exhaustively, up to (including) letter A of the TODO list:
    • Discogs & Wikipedia (artist entries)
    • Discogs & Wikipedia.fr (release entries), but Air, Adamo and Jacques Brel
    • Aliases
    • Collabs ARs have been set
    • Artist dates
  • From letter B to E of the todo list (included):
    • Discogs & Wikipedia (artist entries)
  • All artists with at least 5 releases with ln set to french are listed in this page. Hooray!!!
  • There are 6282 releases set to french. The top 5 french artists are:
    • Various Artists (560)
    • Édith Piaf (100)
    • Jacques Brel (56)
    • Georges Brassens (54)
    • Barbara (43)
  • There are 5751 Multiple languages releases, and some of them certainly belong to us!

Contributors...

The following non-french-native editors have spontaneously contributed edits:

The following native editors have done work (add your name if I forgot you):

The following persons happen to also work on french stuff:

The following persons have contributed cheers:

Thanks to:

  • juahe for contributing his time and windows/flash9 box to dig data from these horrible non-linux friendly websites
  • inhouseuk for contributing the raw-dump-artist-with-fr-release-report

Notes

Editing suggestions:

Common typos:

  • oeil for œil
  • coeur for cœur
  • soeur for sœur
  • moeurs for mœurs

Mangled collabs and feats:

  • There are a lot of duos/trios/grouped artists names that are either incomplete or simply bogus (search the VA albums, especially taratata stuff)
  • tracks titles containings "(avec " or "(en duo avec" are indeed "feats"

Investigate and report:

You may use the artist "Television Theme Songs" to "dump" in TV comp albums actually sorted under bogus artists.

Abbreviations used in the status list:

  • D = Discogs, W = Wikipedia, M = Myspace, O = Official website, F = Fan site, I = IMDB, MM = MusicMoz

Discids to investigate

May, or may not be homebrews (don't know what to think):

One of the two is certainly bogus, but it's difficult to tell which:

First id has four tracks offsetted by 30sec~1minute, I can't decide if it's legit or not (note: I know for sure the second id *is* legit):

Strange stuff, part 1: A few tracks offsetted:

Probably ok, but needs confirmation:

Awaiting merge before further verification of the ids:

Waiting for the dust to come down...:

Atrocious mess:

Positively awful, some work already done:

Stuff...:

Missing label / cat data

List of artists reaching "Good quality"

Criteria:

  • All releases (including all VA releases):
    • have spelling verified
    • have good capitalization (with or without the debated "exceptions")
    • have language and status verified and set
    • have at least a release event
    • have been searched on Amazon
    • have been searched on discogs
    • have at least a label name in annotation (means the release is not bogus/dubious), and ideally cat number + EAN
    • no bogus discid
  • Artist:
    • artist name and sortname verified
    • no bogus "ghost" for the artist in the db
    • artist aliases have been verified
    • artist birthdate/death date have been researched
    • "collabs artists" has all his collab ARs set
    • discogs and wikipedia pages have been searched/added (favor the fr wikipedia domain)
    • no bogus NAT
  • Radiate:
    • all french artists from VA comp where this artist is present are present in this page (at least in the dump zone)
    • all french artists having collaborated with this artist are present in this page
  • Maintain:
    • you're subscribed to the artist and plan on watching the incoming flow

Note: some of the releases may not match the requested quality criteria. Still, the presence of the artist here means some time has been spent *researching* the information, even if the label/cat information is still missing.

A

B

C

D

E

F

G

  • Gasteropodes Killers (checked -- dmppanda 15:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
    • Miss artist dates
    • Obscure. Is it "Gasteropodes" or "Gastéropodes"? Punk stuff...
  • Garage Lopez (checked -- dmppanda 15:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
    • Miss artist dates (obscure punk stuff)

H

  • Miss artist dates

I

J

K

L

  • Miss artist dates

M

N

O

P

Q

R

S

T

U

V

W

X

Y

Z

Decent

Criteria:

  • no spelling errors
  • good capitalization (with or without the debated "exceptions")
  • all releases have language/script set

(note that some artists actually in this category are better than "decent", but we still need to verify that)

A

B

C

D

E

F

G

H

I

J

K

L

M

N

O

P

Q

R

S

T

U

V

W

X

Y

Z

TODO/TO-CHECK

A

B

C

D

E

F

G

H

I

J

K

L

M

N

O

P

R

S

T

V

W

Z

Discussion

Apparently missing

Or are they in, mispelled?

  • Didier Sutrac
  • Vivien Savage
  • Dario Moréno
  • Fréderic Lermer
  • Jacques Lantier
  • Hélène
  • Corynne Chabry
  • Jérôme Elisabeth
  • Lény Escudero
  • René Joly
  • Pablo Villafranca

Are not french artists

... though they ended up in this list for some reason we might need to guess before removing them definitely

  • Tina Arena ended up in french artists because she sometimes sings in french, which is the definition of this list. To remove her (as Joan Baez and others...), we must decide if this list is about artists who have at least some titles in french, or about artists who sing mostly in french
    • a (really quick) look at her releases gives me the feeling she sang very few french songs (but this need to be verified). Now, I'm suggesting the following criteria: "Is to be included in the main list an artist with at least one release with language set to french. Artists with no such release, but with a few french tracks should be included in a secondary list we could possibly maintain below".
      • I would draw the limit elsewhere... or add another category. Christopher Young did a release in french, and I am sure there must be other esoteric examples!
        • "As far as I'm concerned, it's no longer about what is french and what's not. It's a question of domination. It's not their planet anymore, it's ours :D. We fix typos and document stuff wherever the french language is used. That's what we do best." (*) If someone wants to specifically add a "french" artist that don't meet the criteria, fine, he/she go ahead and add it. As for the core part of this list, I'm going to move in each and every artist with at least a french release (because that's the easy computable "limit line" from which we can extract reports from the db), and am going to subscribe to it, wash it, shake it, tidy it, then eat it :D. -- dmppanda 00:30, 06 November 2006 (UTC)

Unclear and/or mixed with homonym

  • Bulldozer
    • Is apparently an italian (?) metal band. *But* has a track on a VA french punk anthology, which doesn't really fit in with the profile.

Coming in ASAP

This is a dump zone used to "dump" artist names encountered while "radiating" from cleaned-up artist. Wether they fit in or not is yet to search and decide.

  • Frank Alamo
  • Micky Amline
  • Helene April
  • Jo Alan
  • Antoine
  • Jean-Louis Aubert
  • Arno
  • Bijou
  • Beth (check also B.E.T.H.)
  • Jane Birkin
  • Jane Birkin & Serge Gainsbourg
  • Françoiz Breut
  • Benjamin Biolay
  • Minouche Barelli
  • Ronnie Bird
  • Ria Bartok
  • Liz Brady
  • Richard de Bordeaux
  • Cali
  • Cox
  • Philippe Chatel
  • Alain Chamfort
  • Pascal Comelade
  • Eric Charden
  • Mary Christine
  • Clothilde
  • Patricia Carli
  • Oscar Castro (verify and possibly create, add to its collabs)
  • Danielle Darieux & Pierre Mingand
  • Dolly
  • Étienne Daho
  • Delizia
  • Dani
  • Stephan Eicher
  • Eileen
  • FFF
  • Freak Out
  • Fredericks - Goldman - Jones
  • Garou
  • De Giafferi
  • Suzanne Gabriello
  • Monique Gaube
  • Nancy Holloway
  • Gillian Hills
  • Jocy
  • Jiji
  • Khaled (which one?)
  • Kyo
  • Kinito
  • Claudine Longet
  • Valerie Lagrange
  • Charlotte Leslie
  • -M- (Matthieu Chédid)
  • Matmatah
  • Mano Negra
  • Mass Hysteria
  • Monty
  • Manon
  • Ariane Moffatt
  • Lorraine Myra
  • Jina Miko
  • Les Muppets
  • Michele & Les Wouaps
  • Les Négresses Vertes
  • Niagara
  • Prohom
  • Paris Combo
  • Pigalle
  • Parabellum
  • Jean Jacques Perrey
  • Raphaël & Jean-Lous Aubert
  • Les Rita Mitsouko
  • La Ruda Salska
  • Rita
  • Sullivan
  • Stella
  • Natacha Snitkine
  • Valerie Sarn
  • Silmarils
  • Starshooter
  • Swanndust
  • Hubert-Félix Thiéfaine
  • Yann Tiersen
  • Arnold Turboust
  • Trio Sourire
  • Jacqueline Taïeb
  • Aston Villa
  • Les VRP
  • David Alexandre Winter
  • Dominique Walter
  • Zazie
  • Julie Zenatti

Straight from inhouse report

Confirmed missing:

id #fr-rel name
3270 31 Tri Yann
36839 28 Ange
42951 22 Les Enfoirés
40559 18 Assassin
106894 17 Henri Dès
11749 16 Boby Lapointe
41159 16 Pierre Desproges
83874 16 IAM
35323 15 Jean-Louis Murat
2327 15 Johann Sebastian Bach
60474 15 Michel Sardou
112301 14 Plume Latraverse
112014 14 Marcel et Son Orchestre
140757 14 Les Wampas
286498 13 Killers
111553 12 Ginette Reno
12159 12 Coluche
122032 12 Bérurier Noir
112999 12 Misanthrope
307766 11 ZAO
324925 11 Frederic Mey
10275 10 MC Solaar
3467 10 Petula Clark
92254 10 Kyo
289921 10 Pierre Dac et Francis Blanche
41927 10 Lofofora
89139 10 Mano Solo
129782 9 Les Ogres de Barback
171840 9 Gérard Manset
22127 9 TRUST
4293 9 Michel Legrand
113054 9 Éric Lapointe
11044 9 André Gagnon
289909 8 Louis Chedid
12414 8 Laurent Voulzy
81137 8 La Ruda Salska
203410 8 Martine St.Clair
46613 8 Les Cowboys Fringants
96494 8 Pierre Bensusan
53507 8 Jean-Philippe Rameau
72836 8 113
217046 8 Pierre Eliane
70997 8 Kaolin
70966 8 La Bottine Souriante
10366 8 Sinclair
3332 8 Django Reinhardt
187885 7 Les Charlots
141662 7 Les Wriggles
44429 7 Jules Massenet
314144 7 Vital Signs
188764 7 Belenos
292565 7 Sucre Pop
122552 7 Manigance
235782 7 RoBERT
40943 7 Akhenaton
152461 7 AqME
9783 7 Magma
115766 7 Calogero
114412 7 Sttellla
175486 7 Dernière Volonté
328397 7 Vox Terrae
32256 7 Gérald De Palmas
196573 7 Malicorne
72067 6 ltno
83 6 Frédéric Chopin
122653 6 Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
46947 6 Hector Berlioz
73570 6 Tryo
53551 6 Gwendal
32213 6 Autour de Lucie
42813 6 Univers Zéro
132862 6 Ghislain Poirier
2564 6 Damien Saez
23093 6 Elsa
310978 6 L'Affaire Louis' Trio
75481 6 Vromb
49504 6 Bénabar
81512 6 Marc-Antoine Charpentier
23002 6 Art Zoyd
106981 6 François de Roubaix
194336 6 Amanda Woodward
263803 6 David TMX
139295 6 Vincent Malone
71234 6 Vive la fête
148632 6 Pierre Rapsat
295996 6 Les Goristes
45364 5 Sanseverino
171540 5 Enhancer
37455 5 Michel Berger
61551 5 Les Innocents
106091 5 Miriodor
33101 5 Raphaël
71996 5 Guesch Patti
42948 5 Bruno Coulais
256779 5 Molodoï
154670 5 Jo, Sumi
159778 5 Alain Morisod & Sweet People
12438 5 Franz Schubert
234804 5 Ilona Mitrecey
21703 5 Harmonium
258562 5 In Memoriam
57647 5 Sortilège
240621 5 Atoll
134560 5 Les Malpolis
30462 5 Francis Poulenc
1954 5 Miles Davis
38542 5 Léo Delibes
4523 5 Sidney Bechet
141434 5 Ulan Bator
55652 5 Diane Dufresne
58812 5 La Tordue
11285 5 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
288564 5 PKRK
114472 5 Les Escrocs
118474 5 Camille
281069 5 Tripod
165784 5 Joyeux Urbains
1021 5 Ludwig van Beethoven
102489 5 Guem

Possibly bogus, confirmed missing:

id #fr-rel name
64986 8 Assimil
202544 8 Collection d'Arnell~Andréa
34230 8 BBC
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