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=Style for determining Release Artists=
 
=Style for determining Release Artists=
  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">'''This is a [[Proposed Style Guideline|ProposedStyleGuideline]].'''
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==Main guidelines==
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# For [[Single Artist Release|SingleArtistRelease]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s, releases that have all tracks performed by the same [[Primary Artist|PrimaryArtist]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s, the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] must be that [[Primary Artist|PrimaryArtist]].
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In most cases, you should be able to find the correct [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] with a few simple rules (be sure you read the [[Primary Artist|PrimaryArtist]] page):
# For [[Various Artists Release|VariousArtistsRelease]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s that are compilations by multiple unrelated artists, the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] must be [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]].  
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# For a [[Single Artist Release|SingleArtistRelease]] (a release that have all tracks performed by the same [[Primary Artist|PrimaryArtist]]), the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] must be that [[Primary Artist|PrimaryArtist]].  
# For [[Various Artists Release|VariousArtistsRelease]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s where there is a main artist that delivers a substantial performance, the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] needs to be set to this artist. Generally, this artist is featured prominently on the release sleeve.  
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# For a [[Various Artists Release|VariousArtistsRelease]] which are compilations by multiple unrelated artists, the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] must be [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]].  
# Classical releases that fall under the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] '''never''' have an [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] other than the composer (if all tracks are composed by the same person) or Various Artists (if more composers are featured on the different tracks).  
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# For a [[Various Artists Release|VariousArtistsRelease]] where there is a main artist that delivers a substantial performance, the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] needs to be set to this artist. Generally, this artist is featured prominently on the release sleeve.  
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# Classical music obey different rules: you should check [[Classical Release Artist Style|ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle]].
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==[no artist]==
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===What if absolutely no artist is credited for the release?===
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Some releases just don't have a performer of discographic relevance credited. For them the [[Special Purpose Artist|SpecialPurposeArtist]] [[No Artist]] is to be used.
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This is usually appropriate for discs consisting of bird songs, etc.
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Please be aware though, that [[No Artist|NoArtist]] should neither be used as a convenient "drop-zone" when you just don't know who the artist is, nor as a simple replacement for other [[Special Purpose Artist|SpecialPurposeArtist]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s, or in place of a [[Fictitious Artist|FictitiousArtist]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s.
  
==Examples==
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===But still, somebody made that disc, right (some engineer/producer)?===
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True, they produced it, or maybe recorded it. You should credit these artists for that role, by the means of the appropriate [[Advanced Relationship|AdvancedRelationship]]. That still doesn't make them the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]], and the release should still be filed under [[no artist]].
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==[unknown]==
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===I have that Release (I lost the sleeve) I don't know who the PrimaryArtist is. What should I do?===
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Research it (on the web), so you find out the information :-)
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===I found the sleeve after all, and really, that's a cheesy release without performer information... What should I do?===
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Assuming you ''did'' really searched for it, in such a case you may use the [[Special Purpose Artist|SpecialPurposeArtist]] [[Unknown Artist|UnknownArtist]] to file it.
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Though, please be sure you're not misusing [[Unknown Artist|UnknownArtist]] when indeed you should use a [[Fictitious Artist|FictitiousArtist]], or one of the [[Special Purpose Artist|SpecialPurposeArtist]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s.
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==What about... ?==
  
# [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=2717 Abbey Road] by the Beatles.
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===I have a boxset in which each disc is by a different artist. Should I set the ReleaseArtist to VariousArtists for all discs?===
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#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=59173 The Best of 60's & 70's Rock: Protest Rock]
 
#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=205642 Kyuss / Queens of the Stone Age] split release. The two bands featured on this release did not in any way cooperate on the music; therefore, no artist ''Kyuss & Queens of the Stone Age'' should be made and have the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] set to that artist.
 
  
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No. Each disc should have as [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] the [[Primary Artist|PrimaryArtist]] corresponding to the disc. The reason is that in [[MusicBrainz]], you ''relate artists to discs'', '''not''' ''artists to sets of discs''.  
#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=106288 Greatest Hits III] by Queen. Although there are some tracks by Freddie Mercury and Brian May (members of the band Queen) and collaborations from Queen with other artists, this is considered to be a Greatest Hits release for Queen.
 
#* [http://musicbrainz.org/album/d603f77d-9e78-46ad-961f-03f6937ec3a9.html Alles Gute: Die Singles 1982-2002 (disc 1)] and [http://musicbrainz.org/album/97a919af-8374-452a-85be-c7c7db55aebf.html (disc 2)] is a collection of the singles of Nena - the band and herself. Disc 1 contains a track from a band she was in before and disc 2 contains a track from a collaboration of her and Westbam. Though the whole collection is considered to be a Nena release.
 
#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=313353 Heroes of Hardcore: DJ Lady Dana] is a DJ-Mix by Lady Dana. Therefore, the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] is set to her.  
 
#* [http://test.musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=237839 Phil Spector]'s 'Back to Mono' box set and Christmas release which he variously produced, composed, performed, arranged etc. etc. tracks on but doesn't appear as a solo artist on any particular track (link goes to test server).  
 
  
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===I also have that one cd containing different tracks from two different artists ("A" and "B"), and the cd itself is advertised as from "A & B"...===
  
Not all examples are correct; this is because the actual implementation described in [[SG5 Disaster Relief|SG5DisasterRelief]] hasn't yet been implemented on the main server.
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===What about that double-cd published under the title "Some Title", which couples together two releases from two different artists?===
  
There are probably more categories to add to the third case; please add them. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
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===Look, that cheesy bootleg I have is credited to artist "A", but everybody knows it's indeed from artist "B"! What should I do?===
  
I strongly disagree with using this for DJ-Mixes and classical releases. Yes, compilations mixed by the DJ should be listed on the artist page, but not with the DJ as an [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]]. This can be solved by [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]] (look at Discogs for example). Classical releases are even more problematic, because we'll end up with completely messed classical releases: if a release contains only works by one composer, [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] is a composer. If a release contains works by more then one composer, [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] is a performer. IMO, this is stupid. And again, it can be solved by [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]] too. --[[Lu Kz|LuKz]]
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===A single for a TV series that has more than two artists collaborating on the primary tracks===
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I agree to both. But I'd put the K&D Sessions under Kruder&Dorfmeister because they did remixing there and it is clearly credited to them. Is "DJ-mix <-> remix for all tracks on the release" a clear distinction for this? --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]] I don't see the reason why it is necessary to list all classical releases strictly under their composers. As you mentioned, this can easily be handled with [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]], because every Bach release should have a composer AR anyway. --[[User:Fuchs|Fuchs]]
 
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About 4.: I thought there were many instances where there clearly is an [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] on classical releases? (e.g. a certain musician who plays works by various composers) Is 4. there because it might be more difficult with releases that prominently feature a famous composer, orchestra ''and'' solist? (''Yeah, put this way it's really like [[Opening A Can Of Worms|OpeningACanOfWorms]]'') Those of you who have thought about this more, have you ruled out any exceptions to 4.? I'm thinking about releases like [http://musicbrainz.org/album/e02c4455-36b5-47c4-812e-23a70b552ac1.html this one]. The question of why Yo-Yo Ma isn't allowed to be the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] is bound to come up. --[[User:azertus|azertus]]
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e.g. [http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BB%E3%82%AD%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4-Dear-sweet-heart-%E4%BA%95%E4%B8%8A%E9%BA%BB%E9%87%8C%E5%A5%88/dp/B001AO15WC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1224044716&sr=8-5 セキレイ]  
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">See [[Lu Kz|LuKz]]'s comment above.
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">But couldn't all of this have 'been solved with [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]]' in that case? Since this current change doesn't remove info (quite the opposite) then if the upcoming [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]] solves this problem too then no-one will notice the difference between this interim change happening or not for DJ-mixes and Classical releases. Or am I missing something in this change that breaks the [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]] process? I have to admit Yo-Yo Ma was the first thing I thought of when I read point 4. -- [[User:bawjaws|bawjaws]]
 
</ul>Ok, here you have another Yo-Yo Ma's release - [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=178100 Yo-Yo Ma Plays Bach]. Who should be [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]], Yo-Yo Ma or Johann Sebastian Bach? --[[Lu Kz|LuKz]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Well I'd say Yo-Yo Ma, but it doesn't really matter if it's Bach or Various Artists, since there will be other cases where two different artists could be in contention e.g. recently there has been a spate of greatest hits listed as "The Police and Sting", or "Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground". For those too you're either going to have to pick one or leave it as VA (personally I'd suggest picking one via some arbritrary method, 'whose on most tracks' or 'composer beats orchestra beats soloist', just because you can't currently monitor mods on VA artist releases). But whatever the resolution of these difficult cases, it doesn't make sense to not use it for the easy ones e.g. Yo-Yo Ma performing with a range of orchestras and performing a range of composers works with Yo-Yo Ma in big letters on the front of the CD, or alternatively Bach being played by a range of orchestras and soloist with Bach in big letters on the front of the CD, or just to be complete, the London Symphony Orchestra performing the works of many composers with a range of soloists and their name in big letters on the CD. -- [[User:bawjaws|bawjaws]]
 
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the classical styleguide says "Various artists for classical are used when works by several composers are included on one release NOT when several performers play works by one composer. Works by Brahms and Liszt on the same CD would be a good example of a various artists release."  i.e. the performer is irrelevant for determining the release artists, which, in classical, can be taken to mean 'release composer'.  this seems like a slippery slope, however--because on jazz releases the release artist is the performer because they take greater liberties with the peices--but these are only points on a continuum--suggested solutions, anyone?
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==Examples==
  
[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Style]] [[Category:Proposed Style]]
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# [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=2717 Abbey Road] by the Beatles.
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#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=59173 The Best of 60's & 70's Rock: Protest Rock]
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#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=205642 Kyuss / Queens of the Stone Age] is a [[Split Release]]. The two bands featured on this release did not in any way cooperate on the music; therefore, no artist ''Kyuss & Queens of the Stone Age'' should be made and have the [[Release Artist]] set to that artist.
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#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=106288 Greatest Hits III] by Queen. Although there are some tracks by Freddie Mercury and Brian May (members of the band Queen) and collaborations from Queen with other artists, this is considered to be a Greatest Hits release for Queen.
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#* [http://musicbrainz.org/album/d603f77d-9e78-46ad-961f-03f6937ec3a9.html Alles Gute: Die Singles 1982-2002 (disc 1)] and [http://musicbrainz.org/album/97a919af-8374-452a-85be-c7c7db55aebf.html (disc 2)] is a collection of the singles of Nena - the band and herself. Disc 1 contains a track from a band she was in before and disc 2 contains a track from a collaboration of her and Westbam. Though the whole collection is considered to be a Nena release.
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#* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=313353 Heroes of Hardcore: DJ Lady Dana] is a DJ-Mix by Lady Dana. Therefore, the [[Release Artist]] is set to her.
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#* Phil Spector's [http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/683391cb-533a-3b66-a072-c62e735f167d.html Back to Mono 1958-1969] box set which he variously produced, composed, performed, arranged etc. tracks on but doesn't appear as a track artist on any particular track.
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#* All tracks on [http://musicbrainz.org/release/ca506aff-1115-485f-aaff-8c4e0de84985.html disc 2] from the box set Eric Burdon & The Animals are credited to the Animals; the [[Release Artist]], however, is Eric Burdon.

Latest revision as of 13:55, 28 August 2016


Status: This page describes an active style guideline proposal and is not official.



Proposal number: RFC-42
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Current status: Looking for a Champion


Trac ticket # 2143

Style for determining Release Artists

Main guidelines

In most cases, you should be able to find the correct ReleaseArtist with a few simple rules (be sure you read the PrimaryArtist page):

  1. For a SingleArtistRelease (a release that have all tracks performed by the same PrimaryArtist), the ReleaseArtist must be that PrimaryArtist.
  2. For a VariousArtistsRelease which are compilations by multiple unrelated artists, the ReleaseArtist must be VariousArtists.
  3. For a VariousArtistsRelease where there is a main artist that delivers a substantial performance, the ReleaseArtist needs to be set to this artist. Generally, this artist is featured prominently on the release sleeve.
  4. Classical music obey different rules: you should check ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle.

[no artist]

What if absolutely no artist is credited for the release?

Some releases just don't have a performer of discographic relevance credited. For them the SpecialPurposeArtist No Artist is to be used.

This is usually appropriate for discs consisting of bird songs, etc.

Please be aware though, that NoArtist should neither be used as a convenient "drop-zone" when you just don't know who the artist is, nor as a simple replacement for other SpecialPurposeArtists, or in place of a FictitiousArtists.

But still, somebody made that disc, right (some engineer/producer)?

True, they produced it, or maybe recorded it. You should credit these artists for that role, by the means of the appropriate AdvancedRelationship. That still doesn't make them the ReleaseArtist, and the release should still be filed under no artist.

[unknown]

I have that Release (I lost the sleeve) I don't know who the PrimaryArtist is. What should I do?

Research it (on the web), so you find out the information :-)

I found the sleeve after all, and really, that's a cheesy release without performer information... What should I do?

Assuming you did really searched for it, in such a case you may use the SpecialPurposeArtist UnknownArtist to file it.

Though, please be sure you're not misusing UnknownArtist when indeed you should use a FictitiousArtist, or one of the SpecialPurposeArtists.

What about... ?

I have a boxset in which each disc is by a different artist. Should I set the ReleaseArtist to VariousArtists for all discs?

No. Each disc should have as ReleaseArtist the PrimaryArtist corresponding to the disc. The reason is that in MusicBrainz, you relate artists to discs, not artists to sets of discs.

I also have that one cd containing different tracks from two different artists ("A" and "B"), and the cd itself is advertised as from "A & B"...

What about that double-cd published under the title "Some Title", which couples together two releases from two different artists?

Look, that cheesy bootleg I have is credited to artist "A", but everybody knows it's indeed from artist "B"! What should I do?

A single for a TV series that has more than two artists collaborating on the primary tracks

e.g. セキレイ

Examples

  1. Abbey Road by the Beatles.
    • Greatest Hits III by Queen. Although there are some tracks by Freddie Mercury and Brian May (members of the band Queen) and collaborations from Queen with other artists, this is considered to be a Greatest Hits release for Queen.
    • Alles Gute: Die Singles 1982-2002 (disc 1) and (disc 2) is a collection of the singles of Nena - the band and herself. Disc 1 contains a track from a band she was in before and disc 2 contains a track from a collaboration of her and Westbam. Though the whole collection is considered to be a Nena release.
    • Heroes of Hardcore: DJ Lady Dana is a DJ-Mix by Lady Dana. Therefore, the Release Artist is set to her.
    • Phil Spector's Back to Mono 1958-1969 box set which he variously produced, composed, performed, arranged etc. tracks on but doesn't appear as a track artist on any particular track.
    • All tracks on disc 2 from the box set Eric Burdon & The Animals are credited to the Animals; the Release Artist, however, is Eric Burdon.