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'''Subject''': ''These are the plans to solve the major problem of [[Style Guideline|StyleGuideline]] 5 ([[Featuring Artist Style|FeaturingArtistStyle]]) which are to be implemented in the short term. So we are not completly [[Getting Rid Of Featuring Artist Style|GettingRidOfFeaturingArtistStyle]]. In the medium term it can be made more acceptable via interface changes like the [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]]. A more detailed solution should come along with the [[Next Generation Schema|NextGenerationSchema]] in the long term.''
'''Subject''': ''These are the steps to solve the major problem of [[Style Guideline|StyleGuideline]] 5 ([[Featuring Artist Style|FeaturingArtistStyle]]) which has been implemented in the [http://blog.musicbrainz.org/archives/2006/01/server_updated_2.html 2006-01-08 Server Update]. We are not completly [[Getting Rid Of Featuring Artist Style|GettingRidOfFeaturingArtistStyle]]. In the medium term it can be made more acceptable via interface changes like the [[Artist Page Redesign|ArtistPageRedesign]]. A more detailed solution should come along with the [[Next Generation Schema|NextGenerationSchema]] in the long term.''


The plans are as follows:
The changes are as follows:
# Allow albums with various artists on the tracks but which are attributed to one artist to be moved to this artist.
# Allow releases with various [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]]s but which are attributed to one artist to be moved to this [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]].
# Change the [[Style Guideline|StyleGuideline]] like this: "If two or more primary artists perform on a track, create a collaboration artist for them and attach the track to it." ''Note, that the use of "feat." will still be valid for guest performing artists.''
# Change the text of the [[Featuring Artist Style|FeaturingArtistStyle]] to state: "If two or more ''equally primary'' artists perform on a track, create a collaboration artist for them and attach the track to it. This has been done. See the [[History Of Featuring Artist Style|HistoryOfFeaturingArtistStyle]] for the old guideline.


''Note, that the use of "feat." is still valid for guest performing artists.''
==Code changes==


===HowTo===
The first part requires code changes such that:
* The album listing will no longer list albums which have a track of the current artist on them and [[Album Artist|AlbumArtist]] == [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]] but list albums which have a track of the current artist on them and [[Album Artist|AlbumArtist]] != the current artist.
* When listing tracks of an album, the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s will only be shown if one or more tracks have a [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] != [[Album Artist|AlbumArtist]].
* Albums which have [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]] as [[Album Artist|AlbumArtist]] (that is which are [[Various Artist Album|VariousArtistAlbum]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s currently) get a "Move" link which allows moving them to a [[Single Artist|SingleArtist]].
* Probably we have to adjust the tagger libs a bit for this.


<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">[http://musicbrainz.org/artist/0383dadf-2a4e-4d10-a46a-e9e041da8eb3.html Queen] and [http://musicbrainz.org/artist/5441c29d-3602-4898-b1a1-b77fa23b8e50.html David Bowie] are main artists of the track ''Under Pressure'' on the Queen release [http://musicbrainz.org/album/24a355b3-940d-4428-b54d-d830fb5766f6.html Hot Space]. The changes that need to be done to reflect this situation while keeping the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] Queen are as follows:
The code changes will be open for testing on the test server before being released. Also the changes will be further announced (especially important for the customers).
# Click on '''Show artists'''
# Click on '''(Change)''' for the track artist of ''Under Pressure''.
# Change the track artist to "Queen & David Bowie"


==Examples==

* The Queen albums which are attributed to Queen on the cover and have all tracks by Queen except one which is by "Queen & David Bowie" are changed in the following way:
*# Convert the album to [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]]
*# Change the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] of the one track to a newly created collaboration "Queen & David Bowie"
*# Move the album to the artist Queen
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">
{| border="1"
|-
| [[Image:Alert.png]] ''You have to un-check "Move Tracks to Album Artist", such that only the Album Artist is affected by the Move, but not the Tracks.''
|}
</ul>
</ul>
This is a bit work but the result should be acceptable for everyone. ;)
* The album [http://musicbrainz.org/album/495652e1-d9b7-40c5-8490-10a87b91dba6.html The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring] is nearly completly by Howard Shore except the last track which is by Enya. You could move the album to Howard Shore. This would have the following consequences:
** The album appears in the discography of Howard Shore (in one of the main sections).
** The album appears in one of the VA sections of Enya.
** When looking at the album you see Howard Shore above it and the correct artist listed for every track.


===Release Examples===
* The double album [http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?search=The+K%26D+Sessions&table=album The K&D Sessions] is added again and again to the artist [http://musicbrainz.org/artist/6b49dc39-cb6f-465f-980b-bc17a271da34.html Kruder & Dorfmeister] because they remixed it and so it is attributed to them. You could move it to this artist and it would appear under their albums - but the remixed tracks still show the original artists.


* The release [http://musicbrainz.org/album/495652e1-d9b7-40c5-8490-10a87b91dba6.html The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring] is nearly completly by Howard Shore except the last track which is by Enya. You could move the release to Howard Shore. This would have the following consequences:
==Editing==
** The release appears in the discography of Howard Shore (in one of the main sections).
** The release appears in one of the VA sections of Enya.
** When looking at the release you see Howard Shore above it and the correct artist listed for every track.


* The double release [http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?search=The+K%26D+Sessions&table=album The K&D Sessions] is added again and again to the artist [http://musicbrainz.org/artist/6b49dc39-cb6f-465f-980b-bc17a271da34.html Kruder & Dorfmeister] because they remixed it and so it is attributed to them. You could move it to this artist and it would appear under their releases - but the remixed tracks still show the original artists.
As you can see in some cases you'd need several atomic edits until you are where you want to be with an album (convert to VA, change track artist, move to SA). Therefore it's recommended to add notes with exhaustive explanations to the edits and links to each other. Also as some of the changes do not appear under subscribable artists you might want to tell people to vote on those changes if you are not an [[Auto Moderator|AutoModerator]] so that they won't fail and you can go on with the work on it.


==Discussion==
==Code changes==


The implemented changes (released on 2006-01-08): <dl><dt>Artist page shows releases with
How does a compilation with a track by Pearl Jam & Cypress Hill ([http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=306208 http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=306208]) be handled? This collaboration artist only appears twice, both times on a 'real' Various Artists release. At the moment '''and''' after this relief has been implemented those 2 releases won't show up under either Pearl Jam or Cypress Hill. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
<dd>


[[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] == current artist ''or''
So in effect the [[Featuring Artist Style|FeaturingArtistStyle]] I made "official" and lasted for a day will be applied, with the extension of the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]]? This looks great! When will this go live on the test server, you think? --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Actually, it is already live! (on test of course) ;-) --[[G0llum]]

</ul>
one or more tracks with [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] == current artist (only shown, if 1 didn't match)
<dt>Release page
<dd>

Track artists are shown when at leat one track artist is different than the release artist.

[[Various Artists Release|VariousArtistsRelease]]s and [[Multiple Artists Release|MultipleArtistsRelease]]s have a '''Move''' link which allows moving them to a different release artist.

[[Single Artist Release|SingleArtistRelease]]s have a new '''Show Artists''' link that reveals the track artists in the display and allows changing them. (Changing one or more artists automatically "transforms" the release into a [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]] release.


'''Convert to multiple artists''' asks for changes to the release as well as the track artists.
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<dt>Tagger and Libraries
<dd>


[[Tune Pimp|TunePimp]] was changed to reflect the changes shown above.
I've got two (minor) issues with the implementation:
# When moving a VA release to a 'main' artist (we need good terminology for this), there is the option "Move Tracks to Album Artist", which actually is the same as "Convert to single artist". I suggest removing this option, as it is counter-intuitive. Instead of the check box, there can be a text saying something like "If you want all tracks to be by the same artist, you need to Convert to single artist instead".
# There seem to be two listings for 'Compilation' after moving a VA release to an artist (e.g. Queen). At least, yesterday. Has this been fixed in the mean time? Great!


[[Picard Tagger|PicardTagger]] was changed to reflect the server code changes. Further, 2 new naming variables <code>%albumartist</code> and <code>%albumartistsortname</code> were added.
--[[User:Zout|Zout]]
</dl>
----


[[Category:History]]
If I understand correctly, the 'main' artist on a release is set for releases that are e.g. Greatest Hits by a single artist, but that have one or more tracks on it that are collaborations or maybe by a member of the group. Also, for DJ-Mixes, the DJ Mixer should be the 'main artist'. Should be, at the same time, forbid the use of '(Mixed by ...)' in [[Release Title|ReleaseTitle]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s? This can now be captured by adding a DJ-Mix AR and changing the 'main' artist. Any more cases? -[[User:Zout|Zout]]
[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Open Style Issue]] [[Category:Developement]]

Latest revision as of 16:25, 25 October 2011

Subject: These are the steps to solve the major problem of StyleGuideline 5 (FeaturingArtistStyle) which has been implemented in the 2006-01-08 Server Update. We are not completly GettingRidOfFeaturingArtistStyle. In the medium term it can be made more acceptable via interface changes like the ArtistPageRedesign. A more detailed solution should come along with the NextGenerationSchema in the long term.

The changes are as follows:

  1. Allow releases with various TrackArtists but which are attributed to one artist to be moved to this ReleaseArtist.
  2. Change the text of the FeaturingArtistStyle to state: "If two or more equally primary artists perform on a track, create a collaboration artist for them and attach the track to it. This has been done. See the HistoryOfFeaturingArtistStyle for the old guideline.

Note, that the use of "feat." is still valid for guest performing artists.

HowTo

  • Queen and David Bowie are main artists of the track Under Pressure on the Queen release Hot Space. The changes that need to be done to reflect this situation while keeping the ReleaseArtist Queen are as follows: # Click on Show artists # Click on (Change) for the track artist of Under Pressure. # Change the track artist to "Queen & David Bowie"

Release Examples

  • The release The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring is nearly completly by Howard Shore except the last track which is by Enya. You could move the release to Howard Shore. This would have the following consequences:
    • The release appears in the discography of Howard Shore (in one of the main sections).
    • The release appears in one of the VA sections of Enya.
    • When looking at the release you see Howard Shore above it and the correct artist listed for every track.
  • The double release The K&D Sessions is added again and again to the artist Kruder & Dorfmeister because they remixed it and so it is attributed to them. You could move it to this artist and it would appear under their releases - but the remixed tracks still show the original artists.

Code changes

The implemented changes (released on 2006-01-08):

Artist page shows releases with
ReleaseArtist == current artist or one or more tracks with TrackArtist == current artist (only shown, if 1 didn't match)
Release page
Track artists are shown when at leat one track artist is different than the release artist. VariousArtistsReleases and MultipleArtistsReleases have a Move link which allows moving them to a different release artist. SingleArtistReleases have a new Show Artists link that reveals the track artists in the display and allows changing them. (Changing one or more artists automatically "transforms" the release into a VariousArtists release. Convert to multiple artists asks for changes to the release as well as the track artists.
Tagger and Libraries
TunePimp was changed to reflect the changes shown above. PicardTagger was changed to reflect the server code changes. Further, 2 new naming variables %albumartist and %albumartistsortname were added.