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'''Status:''' ''This is a revised ruling and as such a [[Proposed Style Guideline|ProposedStyleGuideline]]. It is not yet an [[Official Style Guideline|OfficialStyleGuideline]], pending discussion on the mailing list.'' |
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'''A soundtrack should be given the same title as the film''' (or other production) it is from unless it has a distinctly different title. The soundtrack should be given the [[Release Attribute|ReleaseAttribute]] "soundtrack". |
'''A soundtrack should be given the same title as the film''' (or other production) it is from unless it has a distinctly different title. The soundtrack should be given the [[Release Attribute|ReleaseAttribute]] "soundtrack". |
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* it '''is required to distinguish the release from other variations of the soundtrack.''' |
* it '''is required to distinguish the release from other variations of the soundtrack.''' |
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When "O.S.T." or similar abbreviations are to be retained in titles, the preference is to expand abbreviations to their full wording to avoid ambiguity and to help with translation efforts at a later time. |
When "O.S.T." or similar abbreviations are to be retained in titles, the preference is to expand abbreviations to their full wording to avoid ambiguity and to help with translation efforts at a later time. (This is in contradiction to [[Abbreviation Style|AbbreviationStyle]] which says "OST" should not be expanded.) |
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Secondary information that is to be excluded will mostly look like a sub-title as per [[Subtitle Style|SubTitleStyle]]. |
Secondary information that is to be excluded will mostly look like a sub-title as per [[Subtitle Style|SubTitleStyle]]. |
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"Last Exile O.S.T." and "Last Exile O.S.T. 2" would become "Last Exile Original Soundtrack" and "Last Exile Original Soundtrack 2"; again, this is not secondary information and is required to distinguish these two releases from each other. Converting "Last Exile O.S.T. 2" to "Last Exile 2" would give the incorrect impression that the soundtrack is for "Last Exile 2" rather than being the second in a series of soundtracks for "Last Exile". This case is closely related to [[Volume Number Style|VolumeNumberStyle]]. |
"Last Exile O.S.T." and "Last Exile O.S.T. 2" would become "Last Exile Original Soundtrack" and "Last Exile Original Soundtrack 2"; again, this is not secondary information and is required to distinguish these two releases from each other. Converting "Last Exile O.S.T. 2" to "Last Exile 2" would give the incorrect impression that the soundtrack is for "Last Exile 2" rather than being the second in a series of soundtracks for "Last Exile". This case is closely related to [[Volume Number Style|VolumeNumberStyle]]. |
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The movie "Batman Forever" has a various artists release and a score, so there are two releases "[[Release:7cf078bb-3e15-418d-abf2-07149bde4f38|Batman Forever: Music From the Motion Picture]]" and "[[Release:76719664-ed1b-4033-84dc-1cdddd231c6a|Batman Forever: Original Motion Picture Score]]" because the subtitles are on the cover too. |
The movie "Batman Forever" has a various artists release and a score, so there are two releases "[[Release:7cf078bb-3e15-418d-abf2-07149bde4f38|Batman Forever: Music From the Motion Picture]]" and "[[Release:76719664-ed1b-4033-84dc-1cdddd231c6a|Batman Forever: Original Motion Picture Score]]" because the subtitles are on the cover too. |
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==Discussion== |
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Should there not be a colon in "Last Exile: Original Soundtrack 2" As required by the [[Subtitle Style|SubTitleStyle]]? --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] |
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* In most of the existing examples in the database (particularly for musical theater with multiple cast recordings) this is indicated as [[Show Title|ShowTitle]] (Additional Information). If we want to change that, we should make it explicit. --[[User:Steinbdj|Dylan]] |
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I do not understand the sentence "Secondary information that is to be excluded will mostly look like a sub-title as per [[Subtitle Style|SubTitleStyle]]." Do you mean that things that are not on the same line and in the same font as the [[Release Title|ReleaseTitle]] (and which might look like a [[Subtitle|SubTitle]]) are [[Things To Leave Out|ThingsToLeaveOut]] with Soundtrack releases. I believe the logic behind this should be stated in [[Things To Leave Out|ThingsToLeaveOut]] rather than in [[Subtitle Style|SubTitleStyle]]. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] |
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The one issue I have about this style, is that there is no room to differentiate the "Score" of the movie from the cd of music inspired by the movie without having both on hand at the time of submission. [[Generic Example|GenericExample]]: A release is submitted with 15 tracks and called "Amelie" due to naming conventions. Everything is hashed out, and it becomes part of the database. Later; a second CD shows up, which due to naming conventions is also named "Amelie" but with totally different tracks.. How do we inherently tell which is the Music from the Motion Picture (or Score) from which is the Soundtrack Inspired by the Movie (basically, a sanctioned and official Mix tape)? -It's an unfortunate can of worms, and studios are not making it easier. --[[User:JackandJohn|JackandJohn]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I think we should stick to whatever the name of the release is on the spine of the CD. It's the right of the creators of the Release to name it whatever they wanted. In fact, they could, concievably, name a TV soundtrack "Motion Picture Soundtrack" if they wanted to, and name the corresponding film soundtrack "Television Soundtrack". If that were so, we should copy the titles exactly as the creators gave them to us. Our job is to record what the *name* of the release is--*not* to give a 'description' of it. Anything which is a description shoudl be included if it is part of the actual title, but if we want to add information that is not in the original title, it shoudl be a in a separate field, such as 'release type'. --adamgolding |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I completely agree with this point of view. This guideline is destroying the usefulness of MBz in regard to soundtracks? Has anyone actually tried finding their old vinyl copy of "The Sound of Music OST" on MBz? --[[Arty Smokes|ArtySmokes]] |
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Another question for discussion: What should we do when additional information isn't clearly part of the title but is required to distinguish the entry from others? The examples I was looking at today (none of which I have in easy linking reach at the moment) were situations where there were both a movie and a TV show with separate soundtracks. Many of them have some descriptive parenthetical added that I'm loathe to take away since it makes it harder to figure out what's going on. Could we do something similar to the parenthetical information we allow for classical releases to help distinguish? [[User:Steinbdj|Dylan]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I've generally tried to convert to the classical performer style, so that you get titles like "Hello Dolly! (Original Broadway Cast)" - although I prefer specific dates to "Original" etc. [[User:Dupuy|@alex]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">See [http://www.musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=2793713 edit 2793713] for an example. |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">you shouldn't put the date in the title unless the date is actually in the title. --adamgolding |
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What about soundtrack compilations (see [http://musicbrainz.org/album/fb4c5523-7ba1-48af-874d-15dc33cf95af.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/fb4c5523-7ba1-48af-874d-15dc33cf95af.html])? What style should we use for each track? --davitof |
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QUOTE: "The title should exclude secondary information such as "Original Soundtrack"". Why? I thought the aim of MBz was to be a complete and accurate encyclopaedia of releases. Removing information printed on record sleeves leads to confusion, data loss and a situation in which no one is happy with the listings. While soundtrack albums are not exactly mass-market products like pop albums, they also aren't classical records requiring special rules. My preference would be to stick (within reason) to what's printed on sleeves, so it's possible to match the MBz listings with databases like Amazon and Discogs. Do we really need a hundred "Sound of Music" or "Wizard of Oz" albums that we can't tell apart? I think not, and wish certain auto-editors wouldn't change the titles of such albums without further discussion. --[[Arty Smokes|ArtySmokes]] |
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Latest revision as of 22:13, 27 August 2016
| Status: This page describes an active style guideline proposal and is not official. |
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Trac ticket # 2146 |
A soundtrack should be given the same title as the film (or other production) it is from unless it has a distinctly different title. The soundtrack should be given the ReleaseAttribute "soundtrack".
The title should exclude secondary information such as "Original Soundtrack", "Music from or Inspired by" or "OST", etc, except when
- it is clearly part of the title of the soundtrack and
- it is required to distinguish the release from other variations of the soundtrack.
When "O.S.T." or similar abbreviations are to be retained in titles, the preference is to expand abbreviations to their full wording to avoid ambiguity and to help with translation efforts at a later time. (This is in contradiction to AbbreviationStyle which says "OST" should not be expanded.)
Secondary information that is to be excluded will mostly look like a sub-title as per SubTitleStyle.
"Soundtrack" is a single word, and should never be spelt out as "Sound Track" without good reason. For example, the OST of FFVII is called "Final Fantasy VII: Original Sound Track" whereas the OST of FFVIII is called "Final Fantasy VIII: Original Soundtrack", as clearly indicated on the packaging.
Example
"Titanic: Music from the Motion Picture" would become simply "Titanic".
"Memento: Music for and Inspired by the Film" would become simply "Memento".
"Passion" (Peter Gabriel's soundtrack for the film "The Last Temptation of Christ") would remain "Passion"; an annotation noting what film the soundtrack is from would be appropriate.
"Cowboy Bebop O.S.T. 1" would be expanded to "Cowboy Bebop Original Soundtrack 1". The reasoning here is that the "O.S.T. 1" is clearly not secondary information in this case, it's a distinct part of the title, and should be retained as such.
"Last Exile O.S.T." and "Last Exile O.S.T. 2" would become "Last Exile Original Soundtrack" and "Last Exile Original Soundtrack 2"; again, this is not secondary information and is required to distinguish these two releases from each other. Converting "Last Exile O.S.T. 2" to "Last Exile 2" would give the incorrect impression that the soundtrack is for "Last Exile 2" rather than being the second in a series of soundtracks for "Last Exile". This case is closely related to VolumeNumberStyle.
The movie "Batman Forever" has a various artists release and a score, so there are two releases "Batman Forever: Music From the Motion Picture" and "Batman Forever: Original Motion Picture Score" because the subtitles are on the cover too.
