https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=History_talk:Release_Language&feed=atom&action=historyHistory talk:Release Language - Revision history2024-03-28T20:55:37ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.4https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=History_talk:Release_Language&diff=45070&oldid=prevKuno: Talk:Release Language moved to History talk:Release Language2011-05-16T20:27:34Z<p><a href="/Talk:Release_Language" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Release Language">Talk:Release Language</a> moved to <a href="/History_talk:Release_Language" title="History talk:Release Language">History talk:Release Language</a></p>
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[[Release Language|ReleaseLanguage]] talks about "the language of the release title and track titles". However it doesn't go into any more detail on this. Is it the language as seen in a CD booklet (for example)? Can you translate titles? See [http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/index.html?editid=6395545 http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/index.html?editid=6395545] for an example. <br />
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''This will be something that we have to address; I'm not sure that 'Multiple Languages' is the best choice in this case, e.g. a Japanese release with English translation and transliteration into Roman script should be listed as 'English'. @alex'' <br />
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Should it not be listed as Language: Japanese, Script: Latin for a Latin ''transliteration'' of the release. And Language: English, Script: Latin for a ''translation'' into English? --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] <br />
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What about releases like '''Het beste van Santana'''? The [[Release Title|ReleaseTitle]] is in Dutch, the [[Track Title|TrackTitle]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s are in English and Spanish. Should the [[Release Language|ReleaseLanguage]] be Dutch? --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] <br />
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Why is there a need to list the language of track and release titles when you see their names? Isn't the language obvious then? This field can only be a source of confusion. There are far too many artists who perform in more than one language, but a 'Multiple Languages' doesn't really give any information at all. So, if this field has to stay, don't create too complicated rules which can't match any possible case anyway, let the user decide what they like most for their stuff. --[[User:Fuchs|Fuchs]] <br />
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Why not just allow multiple languages to be attached to an Release? That way the 'specialists' in all the languages concerned would see be able to search for all occurrences of their language(s). --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]] <br />
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In the current rule the majority of the track languages rules and becomes the release language. I'm in favor of using the most correct term. Even if only one track on the release is in another language (not just the title, but a substantial part of the track), you should use 'multiple languages' because otherwise it doesn't do the release justice. E.g. the Twarres release "Stream" has got 9 tracks in English and 2 in Frisian. It would be ridiculous to make the release language English, according to the current rule. Gecks' suggestion would bypass this problem, but until then this is a Multiple Languages release. --[[Jay1978]] <br />
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There is a language missing from the dropdown list "Swiss German" ;-) --[[User:Keschte|Keschte]] <br />
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The album language feature is currently documented [http://musicbrainz.org/wd/AlbumLanguage in an official documentation] outside the wiki. This will be merged back in with [[WikiDocs]]. <br />
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Both Transliterations and Foreign Compilations seem to be a problem. <br />
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In the official Documentation it says: <br />
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">If several languages are used in the titles, choose the most common language. For albums where there's an equal mix of two or more languages and hence no obvious answer, 'Multiple Languages' may be the best choice. But remember that it is quite common for languages to borrow words and phrases, and so "Je ne sais quoi" in an English title does not make something multiple languages, nor do a few English words in a foreign language title. (Some languages borrow quite extensively, and especially for Japanese, unless most of the titles are in other languages, Japanese is probably the best choice.) In some cases, the album and track titles written on an album may include translations or transliterations. <br />
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Should it not be listed as Language: Japanese, Script: Latin for a Latin ''transliteration'' of the album. And Language: English, Script: Latin for a ''translation'' into English? --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] <br />
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What about albums like [http://musicbrainz.org/album/5020f844-a996-4941-b3d1-9982dfababa2.html Het Beste Van Santana] The [[Release Title|ReleaseTitle]] is in Dutch, the [[Track Title|TrackTitle]]s are in English and Spanish. Should the [[Album Language|AlbumLanguage]] be Dutch? --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] <br />
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Why is there a need to list the language of track and album titles when you see their names? Isn't the language obvious then? This field can only be a source of confusion. There are far too many artists who perform in more than one language, but a 'Multiple Languages' doesn't really give any information at all. So, if this field has to stay, don't create too complicated rules which can't match any possible case anyway, let the user decide what they like most for their stuff. --[[User:Fuchs|Fuchs]] <br />
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Why not just allow multiple languages to be attached to an Album? That way the 'specialists' in all the languages concerned would see be able to search for all occurrences of their language(s). --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]] <br />
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In the current rule the majority of the track languages rules and becomes the album language. I'm in favor of using the most correct term. Even if only one track on the album is in another language (not just the title, but a substantial part of the track), you should use 'multiple languages' because otherwise it doesn't do the album justice. E.g. the Twarres album "Stream" has got 9 tracks in English and 2 in Frisian. It would be ridiculous to make the album language English, according to the current rule. Gecks' suggestion would bypass this problem, but until then this is a Multiple Lanuages album. --[[Jay1978]] <br />
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There is a language missing from the dropdown list "Swiss German" ;-) --[[G0llum]]</div>Zout