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==Purpose of this page==
==Purpose of this page==


The purpose of this page is to maintain a list of compositions (or so-called standards) that have been played many times, and that present either numerous spelling variants, or some specific capitalization difficulty (possibly related to a [[Guess Case|GuessCase]] quirk, though since the last server release, [[Guess Case|GuessCase]] is now nearly bullet proof IMO).
The purpose of this page is to maintain a list of compositions (or so-called standards) that have been played many times, and that present either numerous spelling variants, or some specific capitalization difficulty (possibly related to a [[Guess Case|GuessCase]] quirk).


Unless [[Artist Intent|artist intent]] comes into play (in a few rare cases), jazz track titles should be harmonized according to the composition title variants that have been chosen.
Unless [[Artist Intent|artist intent]] comes into play (in a few rare cases), jazz track titles should be harmonized according to the composition title variants that have been chosen.
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* (Hep-Hep!) The Jumpin' Jive / The Jumpin' Jive / Jumping Jive / Jumpin' Jive (Hep-Hep!)
* (Hep-Hep!) The Jumpin' Jive / The Jumpin' Jive / Jumping Jive / Jumpin' Jive (Hep-Hep!)
* (I Don't Stand a) Ghost of a Chance With You / Ghost of a Chance / I Don't Stand a Ghost of a Chance With You / ...
* (I Don't Stand a) Ghost of a Chance With You / Ghost of a Chance / I Don't Stand a Ghost of a Chance With You / ...
* (I Got a Woman Crazy for Me) She's Funny that Way / She's Funny that Way/...
* (I Got a Woman Crazy for Me) She's Funny that Way / She's Funny that Way / ...
* (I Love You) For Sentimental Reasons / For Sentimental Reasons / For Sentimental Reasons (I Love You)
* (I Love You) For Sentimental Reasons / For Sentimental Reasons / For Sentimental Reasons (I Love You)
* Lean Baby / My Lean Baby
* Lean Baby / My Lean Baby

Revision as of 14:04, 18 September 2006

Jazz > Compositions

Purpose of this page

The purpose of this page is to maintain a list of compositions (or so-called standards) that have been played many times, and that present either numerous spelling variants, or some specific capitalization difficulty (possibly related to a GuessCase quirk).

Unless artist intent comes into play (in a few rare cases), jazz track titles should be harmonized according to the composition title variants that have been chosen.

By "chosen", we mean the following:

  • a proposed composition title first enters this page in the "To be discussed list"
  • after it is discussed, eventually changed and approved by both jazz oriented moderators and native english speakers concerned by style and spelling, it enters the main list

The purpose of this page is not to list each and every jazz tune, but should be kept to a reasonable size, and mention only compositions that meet the criteria (more than 20 occurences, and a specific difficulty and/or known multiple variants).

This page should be pointed at in moderation notes, and serves as a reasonably valid authority to justify a track title change, saving time and efforts for both moderators and voters.

This page may also be used as an "editing suggestions source" for editors with too much free time. (that's me - joan)

Words of warning

  • ASCAP site and search engine are crap. Though they are supposed to be an authority, duplicates, wrong data and failed search are the rule. Use it, but use it with salt and gloves.
  • Of course, you shouldn't be a fool :) - when harmonizing titles, don't correct track titles if you're not 100% positive that the artist played the composition you're working on...
  • The track title search actually returns a maximum of 100 results, which prevents us from checking some of the compositions correctly...

How to determine and propose a composition title?

  • Gather known variants of the composition
  • Check ASCAP and BMI for your composition (be sure you have the one you're looking for, and note the composer(s) name). Be aware though that ASCAP doesn't store punctuation.
  • Determine which variant you'll propose for approval using the following rules:
    • Try to favor ASCAP main entry but...
    • Always check what serious/dedicated discographic resources have to say (be they online disco site, or liner notes from recent/complete editions as their documentation are often much better than old releases)
    • If the title has a known/widely-used longer variant than the ASCAP main entry (see: "be anything"), use the main ASCAP entry, and complete it with the remaining part enclosed into parenthesis, following usual capitalization guidelines
    • for abbreviated words (Rockin), favor the variants with a single quote (Rockin')
    • for quoted words or letters ("C" Jam Blues), favor double quotes
  • Propose your variant in the list, using a syntax similar to the example
  • Wait for discussion, proposed changes, approval
  • Rejoice! And go harmonize all the occurences of your title!

Compositions list (approved, collapsed list)

Compositions list (approved, with details)

Note that an "unknown" clean-up status doesn't mean it hasn't been already cleaned, but just that the stupid editor can't remember if he worked on it or not...

  • Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me
    • Composer: Duke Ellington & Russel
    • ASCAP: 340043161
    • Variants: a lot! Nothing, Until, 'till, 'til, til, nothin, etc
    • Approved by: dmppanda, claiborne, joan
    • Discussion: although ASCAP main entry is "Do Nothing Till You Hear From Me", I prefer the abbreviated Nothin', which seems to be the most widely chosen variant in discographic ressources
  • 'Round Midnight
    • Composer: Hanighen/Monk/Williams
    • ASCAP: 310082103
    • Variants: eluded leading quote, Round About Midnight, Round 'Bout Midnight, combinations of these, and numerous other...
    • Approved by: dmppanda, claiborne, joan
    • Discussion: proposed variant is ASCAP main entry. This one was really problematic and triggered a lengthy discussion about Capitalization Styleguide, as it wasn't clear how we should capitalize the R.
    • Clean-up status: joan capitalised 'Round where it is the start of the title
  • "C" Jam Blues
    • Composer: Ellington
    • ASCAP: 330001019
    • Variants: commonly without the double quotes, or with a dash, or with single quotes
    • Approved by: dmppanda
    • Clean-up status: joan made double quotes consistent accross the db
  • Manoir de mes rêves
    • Composer: Reinhardt
    • ASCAP: 340041841
    • Approved by: dmppanda
    • Discussion: is french, and as such is murdered and improperly capitalized most time. Note that it sports an american variant title "Django's Castle"
  • I Got It Bad (and That Ain't Good)
    • Composer: Ellington
    • ASCAP: 390020305
    • Variants: include shorter form, eluded parenthesis, improperly capitalized "And"
    • Approved by: dmppanda, claiborne, joan
    • Discussion: main ASCAP is the shorter form, proposing the extended form according to guide
    • Clean-up status: have been through database and made "and" consistent joan
  • A-Tisket, A-Tasket
    • Composer: Alexander/Fitzgerald
    • ASCAP: 310002305
    • Variants: without "-", capitalisation, without the comma, and also the funny "ticket" and or "tacket"
    • Approved by: dmppanda, claiborne, joan
    • Clean-up status: unknown, though joan apparently corrected some
  • Oh, Lady Be Good
    • Composer: Gerschwin/Gerschwin
    • ASCAP: 420001456
    • Variants: including "!" after the "Oh" and/or appended to the title
    • Approved by: dmppanda, joan
    • Discussion: IMO the more common choice in discographic resources
    • Clean-up status: unknown
  • 'S Wonderful
    • Composer: Gerschwin
    • ASCAP: 490000441
    • Variants: S', S, Wunderful...
    • Approved by: dmppanda, claiborne
    • Discussion: the recent cap english discussion supports the uppercased S
    • Clean-up status: unknown
  • Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man
    • Composer: Oscar Hammerstein/Jerome Kern
    • ASCAP: 330014390
    • Variants: Can't Help Lovin' That Man, Can't Help Loving That Man, etc..
    • Approved by: claiborne, dmppanda
    • Discussion: ASCAP main entry supports "Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man." More artists appear to use this version than others.
    • Clean-up status: unknown
  • We should know by checking serious online discographic resources and/or leaflets like the one from the Billie Holiday on Verve complete edition (which I'll do soon). Ultimately, we may make an arbitrary decision on our own. I like Tain't myself, though I'm not fundamentaly opposed to 'Tain't (still, it triggers once again the "do we cap the T" english case problem) --- dmppanda
    • Clean-up status: unknown
  • Lover, Come Back to Me
    • Composer: Romberg, Hammerstein
    • ASCAP: 420095221
    • Known variants: without the comma, with exclamation mark
    • Approved by: dmppanda
    • Discussion: Please note there's another unrelated composition by that name, found in "Dead or Alive" soundtracks (and you shouldn't harmonize it of course) (reported by joan)
    • Clean-up status: unknown

Compositions list (proposed)

Use the following format to propose a composition:

  • Proposed variant
    • Composer: Composer(s) name
    • ASCAP: add the ascap title number (and also in the url of course)
    • Variants: list of known variants, mispelling, improper capitalization
    • Approved by: dmppanda (<- your nick name), (others will add their name here if they agree)
    • Discussion: if needed, your own additional comments, and of course the following discussion
    • Clean-up status: it's strongly recommended you don't start working on it before it's approved...

Actual list:

  • Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby?
    • Composer: Louis Jordan/Billy Austin
    • ASCAP: 390145403
    • Variants: Ma' for My, additional commas, additional parentheses, missing question mark...
    • Approved by: dmppanda
    • Discussion: somewhat hairy. My choice goes against ASCAP but I like it like that dmppanda
    • Clean-up status: unknown
  • Blue Rondo a la Turk
    • Composer: Dave Brubeck
    • ASCAP: Not in ASCAP?
    • Variants: "a" <=> "à" and improper capitalization
    • Approved by: dmppanda
    • Discussion: though the "french" way should be "à la Turk", it's already mangled enough (Turk/Turque) to not be considered french anymore, hence the "a" choice, which is apparently the common choice.
  • Not to be confused with "Rondo alla turca" Shepard
    • Clean-up status: Shepard has made the capitalization consistent
  • Bags' Groove
    • Composer: Milt Jackson
    • ASCAP: Not in ASCAP?
    • Variants: Bag's Groove
    • Approved by: dmppanda
    • Discussion: "Bags" is the nickname of Milt Jackson, and this tune is his groove, not the groove of some random bag :)
    • Clean-up status: unknown, though tetedechou and dmppanda have catched/corrected a few
  • I Loves You, Porgy
    • Composer: Gerschwin/Gerschwin
    • ASCAP: 390175934
    • Variants: "Love", eluded/misplaced comma, "Porgy (I Loves You, Porgy)", "I Loves You (Porgy)"
    • Approved by: dmppanda
    • Discussion: "Loves" is definitely not a typo.
    • Clean-up status: unknown

Compositions list (yet in the cooker)

  • 'Tain't Nobody's Business if I Do / Ain't Nobody's Business if I Do / ... Bizness
  • Body & Soul
  • "D & E" or "D and E"?
  • The Girl From Ipanema
  • Woody 'n' You
  • "Murder," He Says / Murder He Says / Murder, He Says / "Murder" He Says
  • Indiana (Back Home Again In) / Back Home Again in Indiana / (Back Home Again in) Indiana
  • (Get Your Kicks on) Route 66 / Route 66 / Get Your Kicks on Route 66 / Route 66 (Get Your Kicks on)
  • (Hep-Hep!) The Jumpin' Jive / The Jumpin' Jive / Jumping Jive / Jumpin' Jive (Hep-Hep!)
  • (I Don't Stand a) Ghost of a Chance With You / Ghost of a Chance / I Don't Stand a Ghost of a Chance With You / ...
  • (I Got a Woman Crazy for Me) She's Funny that Way / She's Funny that Way / ...
  • (I Love You) For Sentimental Reasons / For Sentimental Reasons / For Sentimental Reasons (I Love You)
  • Lean Baby / My Lean Baby
  • Deed I Do / 'Deed I Do...