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== Summary ==
   
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MusicBrainz Summit 13 occurred on the 21st and 22nd of September, 2013 at Wikimedia Germany in Berlin.
   
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'''Quote of the summit:''' "Can you please toss me the broccoli?"
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== Summary ==
  
   
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==Sponsors==
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MusicBrainz Summit 13 will happen between the 20th and 23rd September, 2013 at Wikimedia Germany in Berlin.
  
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A big thank you to Google and Spotify for sponsoring the 2013 summit, and to Wikimedia Deutschland for hosting and providing good internet!
   
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=== Tentative Schedule ===
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== Summit attendees ==
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Special guests:
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* Lydia Pintscher from Wikimedia / Wikidata
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* Anders Arpteg from Spotify
   
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MusicBrainz community:
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People planning to attend should aim to arrive in time for dinner on the 20th (Friday), though it seems that people will arrive mid-day. We'll meet all day Saturday and Sunday at Wikimedia Germany. Plan to return home on the 23rd (Monday), or as late as possible on Sunday if you need to leave earlier.
  
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* CatCat
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* fractalizator
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* Freso
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* ianmcorvidae
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* ijabz
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* JonnyJD
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* kepstin
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* LordSputnik
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* Mineo
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* navap
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* nikki
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* ocharles
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* reosarevok
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* ruaok
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* warp
   
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=== Meals ===
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== Agenda ==
   
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{| class="wikitable"
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Meals will be provided for: Breakfast and lunch with be crowd-sourced from a local supermarket. Dinner will be at local establishments. More details will be posted here as we get closer to the event.
  
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! colspan=2 | Saturday
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|-
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|11 - 12
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|
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Introductions
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<br>Setting the agenda
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<br>State of the MB
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<br>Spotify introduction (Anders Arpteg)
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|-
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|12 - 1pm
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|
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Geordi introduction
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<br>External data matching
  +
|-
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|1 - 1:30
  +
|Break
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|-
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|1:30 - 1:45
  +
|Spotify ingestion process
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|-
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|1:45 - 2:15
  +
|NES Overview
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|-
  +
|2:30 - 2:45
  +
|Improving UX
  +
|-
  +
|2:45 - 3
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|Guiding new users (edit visibility, voting, subscriptions, etc.)
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|-
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|3 - 3:20
  +
|Break
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|-
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|3:20 - 3:30
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|Artist/label art
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|-
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|3:30 - 4
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|
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Scrobbling
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<br>Acoustic data
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|-
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|4 - 4:20
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|Voting
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|-
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|4:20 - 4:40
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|Break
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|-
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|4:40 - 5:30
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|Genres
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|}
   
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{| class="wikitable"
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=== Lodging ===
  
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! colspan="2" | Sunday
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|-
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|10:30 - 10:40
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|Agenda revision
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|-
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|10:40 - 11
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|i18n
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|-
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|11 - 11:20
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|Promotion ideas
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|-
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|11:20 - 11:40
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|DiscIDs
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|-
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|11:40 - 12:10
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|Break
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|-
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|12:10 - 12:30
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|Home page redesign
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|-
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|12:30 - 12:50
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|Series
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|-
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|12:50 - 1:00
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|Elephant IDs
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|-
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|1 - 2
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|Lunch
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|-
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|2 - 2:05
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|Classical
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|-
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|2:05 - 2:15
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|WavePlot
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|-
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|2:15 - 2:30
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|MusicBrainz Audio Player
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|-
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|2:30 - 5
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|
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NES & UX breakout sessions
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<br>Socializing
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|}
   
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We'll arrange and pay for lodging for community members again. Please stay tuned as this has not been arranged yet.
  
   
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== Discussion notes ==
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== People confirmed to be attending ==
  
   
  +
=== Saturday ===
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'''NOTE: We have a limit of 20 people who can attend, based on available capacity at Wikimedia Germany.'''
  
   
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==== State of the MB====
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* [[User:RobertKaye|ruaok]] (Arriving with Lufthansa 168 at TXL at Friday 12:55, leaving with Swiss 971 at 18:40 on Monday)
  
  +
*MB is still hosted in California; hosting on autopilot, “when it dies, it dies”. Basic support from hosting folks to keep things running.
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* [[User:Nikki|nikki]]
  
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*Long term plans are to eventually move hosting away from California
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* [[User:Reosarevok|reosarevok]]
  
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*Online music monetization
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* [[CatCat]] (Arriving with Ryanair (shutup) FR8903 at SXF at Friday 20:45, leaving with Ryanair FR8904 at 21:15 on Sunday)
  
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**Zoe Keating is an example of an artist making real money online and she publishes her revenue statements
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* [[User:Mineo|Mineo]]
  
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**Artists/labels are using YouTube as a monetization strategy (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkasqHkVRM1OdEJFUnhyNFFkZjVSUWxhWGl1dE9lQXc)
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* [[User:LukasLalinsky|luks]]
  
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**Would be nice to leverage YouTube to build better label relationships
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* [[User:Ianmcorvidae|ianmcorvidae]] (ticket not yet bought, but almost certainly will be there)
  
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* [[User:JonnyJD]] (lives in Berlin (Köpenick), I'm basically free Friday to Monday)
  
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* Corporate sponsor 1
  
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* Corporate sponsor 2
  
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* Corporate sponsor 3
  
   
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==== Geordi ====
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== People who might attend ==
  
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*Development led by Ian
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* [[User:Freso|Freso]] (would like to go, but can't pay for (air)fare)
  
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*Geordi is a third party dataset ingester
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* [[User:Ianweller|ianweller]] (would like to go, but can't pay for airfare)
  
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*Data mappings are created per third party dataset
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* [[navap]]
  
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*Data is then made available at https://geordi.musicbrainz.org for users to complete the ingestion
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* [http://kloeri.livejournal.com/ kloeri]
  
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* [[User:Wizzcat|Wizzcat]]
  
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* [[User:Leftmostcat|Leftmost]]
  
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* [[User:Kepstin|kepstin]] will do his best to be there.
  
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* [[User:OliverCharles|ocharles]]
  
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* [[User:ijabz|ijabz]]
  
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* [[User:KRSCuan|KRSCuan]] if my schedule allows
  
   
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== Agenda ==
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==== Spotify====
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*Spotify uses data from official label sources as well as third party sources
  +
*They would like to explore a (better) relationship with MusicBrainz data
  +
*They would like to have the “perfect music for every moment”
  +
  +
====MusicBottle / User friendliness====
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*MusicBottle - Freso hasn’t had time to work on it lately, so on hold for now
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*kepstin has been working on an alternative front end http://mbjs.kepstin.ca/. Source code repository at: https://github.com/kepstin/mbjs
  +
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====Video ====
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*Checkbox to be added to recordings marking them as video as a “stopgap” minimum measure
  +
*Intent is to add a relationship from these “video” recordings to a third party video database
  +
  +
====NES (New Edit System) Overview====
  +
*Development led by Ollie
  +
*NES introduces a new edit system comprised of a front end that submits to a backend editable web service
  +
*NES will allow bundling multiple edits together (but not unbundling, at least initially)
  +
*Breakout session on Sunday
  +
  +
====Improving UX====
  +
*The intent is not to dumb the site down, but to add improvements to the existing UX
  +
*Proposal: “Fix bits that stick out”
  +
**Locate individual editing features that behave strangely, or don’t “do the right thing” by default, and perform minimal fixes.
  +
*Proposal: “Multiple modes”
  +
**An analogy: with scanning software, you often have a “Simple” mode which lets you scan with some common settings, and “Advanced mode”, where you can specify descreening, colour curves, etc.
  +
*Proposal: “Better defaults and default-hidden advanced features”
  +
**Instead of full modes, just reorder things so simple/important stuff first and possibly hide features that many users might not need (with a preference to always show them)
  +
  +
====Guiding new users====
  +
*Proposal: Create a music dashboard that lists new users that need help
  +
*Proposal: Create multiple subscription lists
  +
**Having multiple lists narrows the scope of each list and makes it easier to digest
  +
  +
====Artist/label art====
  +
*Now that CAA has been a success, intent is to expand and also cover artist and label images
  +
*Proposal: Use a whitelist of CC-licensed websites and start displaying the art
  +
**Whitelist: WikiMedia Commons, Flickr, and more
  +
**For Flickr and other API-enabled websites, ModBot will add a comment with the license and where it comes from
  +
  +
====Scrobbling====
  +
*Proposal: Set up a scrobbling server under the MetaBrainz umbrella
  +
*The initial API would be last.fm compatible
  +
*Over the long term the intent is to improve the API and build support for it directly into third party apps (eg. players) to increase user base
  +
  +
====Acoustic data====
  +
*Essentia does cool shit! The proposal is to collect data output from it and make it available to whoever wants to use it for recommendation, etc.
  +
*UPF can run it on the research dataset put out by the internet archive as some seed data, and it could potentially be integrated with a tool like Picard/Jaikoz, similar to how AcoustID collection works.
  +
*WavePlot already does similar things and might constitute a starting point for a database of such data
  +
  +
====Voting====
  +
*Intent is to increase the voting being performed in the database
  +
*Previously (~6 years ago) we had an iframe at the top of the page, this resulted in a lot of ‘no’ votes and was seen as an annoyance
  +
*Proposal: Remove ‘Yes’ votes
  +
*Proposal: Display relevant edit information to improve voting workflow
  +
*Proposal: Add ability to save custom searches
  +
  +
====Genres====
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*2012 discussion summary:
  +
*#Multi level list of genres
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*#*Soundunwound solution: “main”, “quite”, “hints of”
  +
*#*2 levels: “main genre”, “sub genre(s)”
  +
*#Flat list of genres
  +
*#*Fixed list to choose from
  +
*#*Free form with autocompletion
  +
*#Genre graph
  +
*Ben’s “genre entity” proposal
  +
**Genres are entered by users as freeform, auto-completed tags
  +
**After reaching a certain threshold, the tag is converted into a “genre entity”
  +
**Displayed genres are comprised of both the tags and genre entities
  +
**Converting a genre tag into a genre entity allows it to have relationships, and a genre entity would have fields for id3/itunes/(spotify?) genre mappings
  +
**Tags can be manually promoted to entities with a vote
  +
**Genre entities can be merged. The title of the merge source becomes a search hint for the merge target
  +
**This would allow things like “Pop-Rock” and “poprock” to be merged and typing either of these as tags would result in the same genre entity being applied to the entity.
  +
*No conclusion here. It might be good to do some genres meetings, because this is a feature we should have and it would be good to have a better plan/timeframe for implementing it.
  +
  +
=== Sunday ===
  +
  +
====Internationalization====
  +
*Discussion point: whether to enable translation support on the main site
  +
**Proposal: Enable all languages that are on beta on main
  +
**Proposal: Enable just one language to start
  +
*Discussion held on whether to enable other languages even though all the documentation is all in English
  +
*Consensus reached that waiting for the all the documentation to be translated into other language(s) is not going to work
  +
*Consensus reached that we enable just German (most Germans speak English) and then go from there
  +
*Can we look into translating the wiki? Wikimedia DE has had good experience with Extension:Translate. The documentation team would also like this.
  +
  +
====Promotion ideas====
  +
*First impression for new users is lacking (home page needs work)
  +
*Developer awareness can be raised by promoting MB-aware apps such as those created as a part of Music Hack Day
  +
*Build a promotion-oriented community of users to coordinate promotional releases (reddit posts, social media, etc.), collaborate via a new mailing list
  +
*A possible Summer of Code project is to create a visually pleasing statistics page similar to VGMdb
  +
  +
====DiscIDs====
  +
*Different ideas discussed:
  +
**DiscIDs prevent a few useful edge cases like pre-gap tracks and correct tracklists for certain VideoCDs.
  +
**But they’re also used a lot by rippers/taggers, so we cannot just get rid of them.
  +
*Decision reached that we look at our DiscID usage statistics and then revisit this topic
  +
*There is a follow-up in [[User:JonnyJD/DiscID]] with details.
   
  +
====Home page redesign ideas====
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Saturday 21 September:
  
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*short desc/tagline
  +
**"an open music encyclopedia"?
  +
*divide people into categories in as few words as possible.
  +
**general users / people who want to tag
  +
**artists / labels
  +
**devs
  +
*show coverart
  +
*show “recent activity” in an activity steam
  +
*very basic stats
  +
*highlight search bar?
   
  +
====Series====
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* Genres
  
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*Consensus that everyone wants series support
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* DiscIDs
  
  +
**New entity should be created with
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* [[MusicBottle]]
  
  +
***Title
  +
***Sub entities (see proposals below)
  +
***Relationships to labels, artists
  +
***Dates derived from contents
  +
***Ordering of sub entities is optional
  +
*Consensus split on what can be put into a series
  +
**Proposal: Just release groups
  +
**Proposal: Either release groups or releases, but not both at the same time
  +
**Proposal: One of the above AND recordings (podcasts being captured via stand alone recordings)
  +
*Motion carried to prototype and test the workability of a series entity that contains just release groups
   
  +
====Elephant IDs====
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Sunday 22 September:
  
  +
* aka adding track IDs into music files
  +
*Motion carried to add the MusicBrainz Track ID into a tag called "musicbrainz_releasetrackid"
   
  +
====Classical====
−
* (add more here)
  
  +
*Consensus reached that classical discussion requires a separate summit
  +
*Further discussion tabled
   
  +
====WavePlot====
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== Important things to not forget, but that will be forgotten anyway ==
  
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*Development on WavePlot led by Ben
  +
*WavePlot is a system for making images of audio files and extracting data from then.
  +
*Future work will be improving integration with existing tools and adding features.
   
  +
====MusicBrainz Audio Player====
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* Napkins
  
  +
*Consensus reached that the optimal audio player is the MusicBrainz website itself
  +
*Proposal is to further develop keptsin’s MBJS and then integrate either a third party streaming service, a web based player, or a desktop player
  +
*Consensus reached that an optimal player also needs to be accessible/usable entirely offline.

Latest revision as of 19:19, 1 June 2014

Summary

MusicBrainz Summit 13 occurred on the 21st and 22nd of September, 2013 at Wikimedia Germany in Berlin.

Quote of the summit: "Can you please toss me the broccoli?"

Sponsors

A big thank you to Google and Spotify for sponsoring the 2013 summit, and to Wikimedia Deutschland for hosting and providing good internet!

Summit attendees

Special guests:

  • Lydia Pintscher from Wikimedia / Wikidata
  • Anders Arpteg from Spotify

MusicBrainz community:

  • CatCat
  • fractalizator
  • Freso
  • ianmcorvidae
  • ijabz
  • JonnyJD
  • kepstin
  • LordSputnik
  • Mineo
  • navap
  • nikki
  • ocharles
  • reosarevok
  • ruaok
  • warp

Agenda

Saturday
11 - 12

Introductions
Setting the agenda
State of the MB
Spotify introduction (Anders Arpteg)

12 - 1pm

Geordi introduction
External data matching

1 - 1:30 Break
1:30 - 1:45 Spotify ingestion process
1:45 - 2:15 NES Overview
2:30 - 2:45 Improving UX
2:45 - 3 Guiding new users (edit visibility, voting, subscriptions, etc.)
3 - 3:20 Break
3:20 - 3:30 Artist/label art
3:30 - 4

Scrobbling
Acoustic data

4 - 4:20 Voting
4:20 - 4:40 Break
4:40 - 5:30 Genres
Sunday
10:30 - 10:40 Agenda revision
10:40 - 11 i18n
11 - 11:20 Promotion ideas
11:20 - 11:40 DiscIDs
11:40 - 12:10 Break
12:10 - 12:30 Home page redesign
12:30 - 12:50 Series
12:50 - 1:00 Elephant IDs
1 - 2 Lunch
2 - 2:05 Classical
2:05 - 2:15 WavePlot
2:15 - 2:30 MusicBrainz Audio Player
2:30 - 5

NES & UX breakout sessions
Socializing


Discussion notes

Saturday

State of the MB

  • MB is still hosted in California; hosting on autopilot, “when it dies, it dies”. Basic support from hosting folks to keep things running.
  • Long term plans are to eventually move hosting away from California
  • Online music monetization

Geordi

  • Development led by Ian
  • Geordi is a third party dataset ingester
  • Data mappings are created per third party dataset
  • Data is then made available at https://geordi.musicbrainz.org for users to complete the ingestion

Spotify

  • Spotify uses data from official label sources as well as third party sources
  • They would like to explore a (better) relationship with MusicBrainz data
  • They would like to have the “perfect music for every moment”

MusicBottle / User friendliness

Video

  • Checkbox to be added to recordings marking them as video as a “stopgap” minimum measure
  • Intent is to add a relationship from these “video” recordings to a third party video database

NES (New Edit System) Overview

  • Development led by Ollie
  • NES introduces a new edit system comprised of a front end that submits to a backend editable web service
  • NES will allow bundling multiple edits together (but not unbundling, at least initially)
  • Breakout session on Sunday

Improving UX

  • The intent is not to dumb the site down, but to add improvements to the existing UX
  • Proposal: “Fix bits that stick out”
    • Locate individual editing features that behave strangely, or don’t “do the right thing” by default, and perform minimal fixes.
  • Proposal: “Multiple modes”
    • An analogy: with scanning software, you often have a “Simple” mode which lets you scan with some common settings, and “Advanced mode”, where you can specify descreening, colour curves, etc.
  • Proposal: “Better defaults and default-hidden advanced features”
    • Instead of full modes, just reorder things so simple/important stuff first and possibly hide features that many users might not need (with a preference to always show them)

Guiding new users

  • Proposal: Create a music dashboard that lists new users that need help
  • Proposal: Create multiple subscription lists
    • Having multiple lists narrows the scope of each list and makes it easier to digest

Artist/label art

  • Now that CAA has been a success, intent is to expand and also cover artist and label images
  • Proposal: Use a whitelist of CC-licensed websites and start displaying the art
    • Whitelist: WikiMedia Commons, Flickr, and more
    • For Flickr and other API-enabled websites, ModBot will add a comment with the license and where it comes from

Scrobbling

  • Proposal: Set up a scrobbling server under the MetaBrainz umbrella
  • The initial API would be last.fm compatible
  • Over the long term the intent is to improve the API and build support for it directly into third party apps (eg. players) to increase user base

Acoustic data

  • Essentia does cool shit! The proposal is to collect data output from it and make it available to whoever wants to use it for recommendation, etc.
  • UPF can run it on the research dataset put out by the internet archive as some seed data, and it could potentially be integrated with a tool like Picard/Jaikoz, similar to how AcoustID collection works.
  • WavePlot already does similar things and might constitute a starting point for a database of such data

Voting

  • Intent is to increase the voting being performed in the database
  • Previously (~6 years ago) we had an iframe at the top of the page, this resulted in a lot of ‘no’ votes and was seen as an annoyance
  • Proposal: Remove ‘Yes’ votes
  • Proposal: Display relevant edit information to improve voting workflow
  • Proposal: Add ability to save custom searches

Genres

  • 2012 discussion summary:
    1. Multi level list of genres
      • Soundunwound solution: “main”, “quite”, “hints of”
      • 2 levels: “main genre”, “sub genre(s)”
    2. Flat list of genres
      • Fixed list to choose from
      • Free form with autocompletion
    3. Genre graph
  • Ben’s “genre entity” proposal
    • Genres are entered by users as freeform, auto-completed tags
    • After reaching a certain threshold, the tag is converted into a “genre entity”
    • Displayed genres are comprised of both the tags and genre entities
    • Converting a genre tag into a genre entity allows it to have relationships, and a genre entity would have fields for id3/itunes/(spotify?) genre mappings
    • Tags can be manually promoted to entities with a vote
    • Genre entities can be merged. The title of the merge source becomes a search hint for the merge target
    • This would allow things like “Pop-Rock” and “poprock” to be merged and typing either of these as tags would result in the same genre entity being applied to the entity.
  • No conclusion here. It might be good to do some genres meetings, because this is a feature we should have and it would be good to have a better plan/timeframe for implementing it.

Sunday

Internationalization

  • Discussion point: whether to enable translation support on the main site
    • Proposal: Enable all languages that are on beta on main
    • Proposal: Enable just one language to start
  • Discussion held on whether to enable other languages even though all the documentation is all in English
  • Consensus reached that waiting for the all the documentation to be translated into other language(s) is not going to work
  • Consensus reached that we enable just German (most Germans speak English) and then go from there
  • Can we look into translating the wiki? Wikimedia DE has had good experience with Extension:Translate. The documentation team would also like this.

Promotion ideas

  • First impression for new users is lacking (home page needs work)
  • Developer awareness can be raised by promoting MB-aware apps such as those created as a part of Music Hack Day
  • Build a promotion-oriented community of users to coordinate promotional releases (reddit posts, social media, etc.), collaborate via a new mailing list
  • A possible Summer of Code project is to create a visually pleasing statistics page similar to VGMdb

DiscIDs

  • Different ideas discussed:
    • DiscIDs prevent a few useful edge cases like pre-gap tracks and correct tracklists for certain VideoCDs.
    • But they’re also used a lot by rippers/taggers, so we cannot just get rid of them.
  • Decision reached that we look at our DiscID usage statistics and then revisit this topic
  • There is a follow-up in User:JonnyJD/DiscID with details.

Home page redesign ideas

  • short desc/tagline
    • "an open music encyclopedia"?
  • divide people into categories in as few words as possible.
    • general users / people who want to tag
    • artists / labels
    • devs
  • show coverart
  • show “recent activity” in an activity steam
  • very basic stats
  • highlight search bar?

Series

  • Consensus that everyone wants series support
    • New entity should be created with
      • Title
      • Sub entities (see proposals below)
      • Relationships to labels, artists
      • Dates derived from contents
      • Ordering of sub entities is optional
  • Consensus split on what can be put into a series
    • Proposal: Just release groups
    • Proposal: Either release groups or releases, but not both at the same time
    • Proposal: One of the above AND recordings (podcasts being captured via stand alone recordings)
  • Motion carried to prototype and test the workability of a series entity that contains just release groups

Elephant IDs

  • aka adding track IDs into music files
  • Motion carried to add the MusicBrainz Track ID into a tag called "musicbrainz_releasetrackid"

Classical

  • Consensus reached that classical discussion requires a separate summit
  • Further discussion tabled

WavePlot

  • Development on WavePlot led by Ben
  • WavePlot is a system for making images of audio files and extracting data from then.
  • Future work will be improving integration with existing tools and adding features.

MusicBrainz Audio Player

  • Consensus reached that the optimal audio player is the MusicBrainz website itself
  • Proposal is to further develop keptsin’s MBJS and then integrate either a third party streaming service, a web based player, or a desktop player
  • Consensus reached that an optimal player also needs to be accessible/usable entirely offline.
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