- 1 Summary
- 2 Sponsors
- 3 Summit attendees
- 4 Agenda
- 5 Discussion notes
- 5.1 Saturday
- 5.2 Sunday
MusicBrainz Summit 13 occurred on the 21st and 22nd of September, 2013 at Wikimedia Germany in Berlin.
Quote of the summit: "Can you please toss me the broccoli?"
A big thank you to Google and Spotify for sponsoring the 2013 summit, and to Wikimedia Deutschland for hosting and providing good internet!
- Lydia Pintscher from Wikimedia / Wikidata
- Anders Arpteg from Spotify
|11 - 12||
|12 - 1pm||
|1 - 1:30||Break|
|1:30 - 1:45||Spotify ingestion process|
|1:45 - 2:15||NES Overview|
|2:30 - 2:45||Improving UX|
|2:45 - 3||Guiding new users (edit visibility, voting, subscriptions, etc.)|
|3 - 3:20||Break|
|3:20 - 3:30||Artist/label art|
|3:30 - 4||
|4 - 4:20||Voting|
|4:20 - 4:40||Break|
|4:40 - 5:30||Genres|
|10:30 - 10:40||Agenda revision|
|10:40 - 11||i18n|
|11 - 11:20||Promotion ideas|
|11:20 - 11:40||DiscIDs|
|11:40 - 12:10||Break|
|12:10 - 12:30||Home page redesign|
|12:30 - 12:50||Series|
|12:50 - 1:00||Elephant IDs|
|1 - 2||Lunch|
|2 - 2:05||Classical|
|2:05 - 2:15||WavePlot|
|2:15 - 2:30||MusicBrainz Audio Player|
|2:30 - 5||
NES & UX breakout sessions
State of the MB
- MB is still hosted in California; hosting on autopilot, “when it dies, it dies”. Basic support from hosting folks to keep things running.
- Long term plans are to eventually move hosting away from California
- Online music monetization
- Zoe Keating is an example of an artist making real money online and she publishes her revenue statements
- Artists/labels are using YouTube as a monetization strategy (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkasqHkVRM1OdEJFUnhyNFFkZjVSUWxhWGl1dE9lQXc)
- Would be nice to leverage YouTube to build better label relationships
- Development led by Ian
- Geordi is a third party dataset ingester
- Data mappings are created per third party dataset
- Data is then made available at https://geordi.musicbrainz.org for users to complete the ingestion
- Spotify uses data from official label sources as well as third party sources
- They would like to explore a (better) relationship with MusicBrainz data
- They would like to have the “perfect music for every moment”
MusicBottle / User friendliness
- MusicBottle - Freso hasn’t had time to work on it lately, so on hold for now
- kepstin has been working on an alternative front end http://mbjs.kepstin.ca/. Source code repository at: https://github.com/kepstin/mbjs
- Checkbox to be added to recordings marking them as video as a “stopgap” minimum measure
- Intent is to add a relationship from these “video” recordings to a third party video database
NES (New Edit System) Overview
- Development led by Ollie
- NES introduces a new edit system comprised of a front end that submits to a backend editable web service
- NES will allow bundling multiple edits together (but not unbundling, at least initially)
- Breakout session on Sunday
- The intent is not to dumb the site down, but to add improvements to the existing UX
- Proposal: “Fix bits that stick out”
- Locate individual editing features that behave strangely, or don’t “do the right thing” by default, and perform minimal fixes.
- Proposal: “Multiple modes”
- An analogy: with scanning software, you often have a “Simple” mode which lets you scan with some common settings, and “Advanced mode”, where you can specify descreening, colour curves, etc.
- Proposal: “Better defaults and default-hidden advanced features”
- Instead of full modes, just reorder things so simple/important stuff first and possibly hide features that many users might not need (with a preference to always show them)
Guiding new users
- Proposal: Create a music dashboard that lists new users that need help
- Proposal: Create multiple subscription lists
- Having multiple lists narrows the scope of each list and makes it easier to digest
- Now that CAA has been a success, intent is to expand and also cover artist and label images
- Proposal: Use a whitelist of CC-licensed websites and start displaying the art
- Whitelist: WikiMedia Commons, Flickr, and more
- For Flickr and other API-enabled websites, ModBot will add a comment with the license and where it comes from
- Proposal: Set up a scrobbling server under the MetaBrainz umbrella
- The initial API would be last.fm compatible
- Over the long term the intent is to improve the API and build support for it directly into third party apps (eg. players) to increase user base
- Essentia does cool shit! The proposal is to collect data output from it and make it available to whoever wants to use it for recommendation, etc.
- UPF can run it on the research dataset put out by the internet archive as some seed data, and it could potentially be integrated with a tool like Picard/Jaikoz, similar to how AcoustID collection works.
- WavePlot already does similar things and might constitute a starting point for a database of such data
- Intent is to increase the voting being performed in the database
- Previously (~6 years ago) we had an iframe at the top of the page, this resulted in a lot of ‘no’ votes and was seen as an annoyance
- Proposal: Remove ‘Yes’ votes
- Proposal: Display relevant edit information to improve voting workflow
- Proposal: Add ability to save custom searches
- 2012 discussion summary:
- Multi level list of genres
- Soundunwound solution: “main”, “quite”, “hints of”
- 2 levels: “main genre”, “sub genre(s)”
- Flat list of genres
- Fixed list to choose from
- Free form with autocompletion
- Genre graph
- Multi level list of genres
- Ben’s “genre entity” proposal
- Genres are entered by users as freeform, auto-completed tags
- After reaching a certain threshold, the tag is converted into a “genre entity”
- Displayed genres are comprised of both the tags and genre entities
- Converting a genre tag into a genre entity allows it to have relationships, and a genre entity would have fields for id3/itunes/(spotify?) genre mappings
- Tags can be manually promoted to entities with a vote
- Genre entities can be merged. The title of the merge source becomes a search hint for the merge target
- This would allow things like “Pop-Rock” and “poprock” to be merged and typing either of these as tags would result in the same genre entity being applied to the entity.
- No conclusion here. It might be good to do some genres meetings, because this is a feature we should have and it would be good to have a better plan/timeframe for implementing it.
- Discussion point: whether to enable translation support on the main site
- Proposal: Enable all languages that are on beta on main
- Proposal: Enable just one language to start
- Discussion held on whether to enable other languages even though all the documentation is all in English
- Consensus reached that waiting for the all the documentation to be translated into other language(s) is not going to work
- Consensus reached that we enable just German (most Germans speak English) and then go from there
- Can we look into translating the wiki? Wikimedia DE has had good experience with Extension:Translate. The documentation team would also like this.
- First impression for new users is lacking (home page needs work)
- Developer awareness can be raised by promoting MB-aware apps such as those created as a part of Music Hack Day
- Build a promotion-oriented community of users to coordinate promotional releases (reddit posts, social media, etc.), collaborate via a new mailing list
- A possible Summer of Code project is to create a visually pleasing statistics page similar to VGMdb
- Different ideas discussed:
- DiscIDs prevent a few useful edge cases like pre-gap tracks and correct tracklists for certain VideoCDs.
- But they’re also used a lot by rippers/taggers, so we cannot just get rid of them.
- Decision reached that we look at our DiscID usage statistics and then revisit this topic
- There is a follow-up in User:JonnyJD/DiscID with details.
Home page redesign ideas
- short desc/tagline
- "an open music encyclopedia"?
- divide people into categories in as few words as possible.
general users / people who want to tag artists / labels devs
- show coverart
- show “recent activity” in an activity steam
- very basic stats
- highlight search bar?
- Consensus that everyone wants series support
- New entity should be created with
- Sub entities (see proposals below)
- Relationships to labels, artists
- Dates derived from contents
- Ordering of sub entities is optional
- New entity should be created with
- Consensus split on what can be put into a series
- Proposal: Just release groups
- Proposal: Either release groups or releases, but not both at the same time
- Proposal: One of the above AND recordings (podcasts being captured via stand alone recordings)
- Motion carried to prototype and test the workability of a series entity that contains just release groups
- aka adding track IDs into music files
- Motion carried to add the MusicBrainz Track ID into a tag called "musicbrainz_releasetrackid"
- Consensus reached that classical discussion requires a separate summit
- Further discussion tabled
- Development on WavePlot led by Ben
- WavePlot is a system for making images of audio files and extracting data from then.
- Future work will be improving integration with existing tools and adding features.
MusicBrainz Audio Player
- Consensus reached that the optimal audio player is the MusicBrainz website itself
- Proposal is to further develop keptsin’s MBJS and then integrate either a third party streaming service, a web based player, or a desktop player
- Consensus reached that an optimal player also needs to be accessible/usable entirely offline.