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==Purpose==
=Discussion about Categories=


There are two issues here. The first thing is general: What Categories do we need, are they good the way they are... The second relates to the [[Big Mess|BigMess]] of pages that deal with 'moderating issues'. Those probably need to be rearranged before we can give them meaningful Categories. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
What categories do we need, are they good the way they are? Which ones should be proposed in [[Wiki Categories]]?


==Listing and discussion of current categories==
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===Categories needing discussion===


====Full list====
==General Listing and Discussion of Categories==


* [[:Category:Development]] -- For pages about MusicBrainz features and implementation. This one is getting huge. Maybe we should split it.
*-- Personal pages. These are important, because they backlink to all the pages a person has edited. So please create a personal page and sign your edits with your [[Wiki Name|WikiName]].
** [[:Category:Proposal]] -- This category is for pages that make proposals which are not only about style (which is covered by) but also new ideas for further developments and other stuff.
*-- For pages about [[MusicBrainz]] features and implementation. This one is getting huge. Maybe we should split it.
*-- For discussion threads. Pages will often be in this and some other category.
* [[:Category:Discussion]]-- For discussion threads. Pages will often be in this and some other category.
* [[:Category:Metadata]] -- For additional info pages that someday may go into the database.
*-- This is a bit redundant with [[Frequently Asked Questions|FrequentlyAskedQuestions]] but I suppose that's ok.
*-- For additional info pages that someday may go into the database.
*-- For pages describing, proposing, or discussing the style guidelines.
**-- For the official pages describing the accepted style guidelines.


*-- For pages describing, proposing, or discussing the editing process & guidelines.
* [[:Category:Editing]] -- For pages describing, proposing, or discussing the editing process & guidelines.
** [[:Category:Edit Status]] -- This Category is for pages that explain the various stati an Edit may have during its lifetime.
**-- For documentation of different edit (moderation) types.


*-- For [[MusicBrainz]] documentation being developed on the Wiki.
* [[Image:Checkmark.png]] [[:Category:Documentation]] -- For MusicBrainz documentation being developed on the wiki.
**-- For explanations of terminology like [[Disc ID|DiscID]], [[Sortname|SortName]], etc.
** [[:Category:Terminology]] -- For explanations of terminology like [[Disc ID]], [[Artist Sort Name]], etc.
** [[:Category:How To]] -- This is a list of [[How To]]'s automatically created from [[Back Link]]s to this page. For a more structured overview and instructions on how to add new pages, see [[How To]]


*-- For pages with descriptions of other related software, resources, or external links.
*-- For pages with descriptions of other related software, resources, or external links.
**-- This Category is for pages that deal with the applications which use the MusicBrainz data, but are not maintained by the MusicBrainz developers. See the Products page if you want to learn about the MusicBrainz products.
*-- For metadiscussion about this Wiki.

*-- For pages relating to our tagger affiliate program
* and of course, which includes all of the above, plus any which aren't yet listed here.
* and of course, which includes all of the above, plus any which aren't yet listed here.
**-- This Category is for pages that deal with a the Advanced Relationships subsection of the [[MusicBrainz Documentation|MusicBrainzDocumentation]] on this wiki.
**-- This Category groups all pages that are official biographies of the [[People Behind MusicBrainz|PeopleBehindMusicBrainz]]
**-- This Category is for pages that describe places used by the [[MusicBrainz]] community to discuss.
**-- This Category groups all pages that deal with the [[MusicBrainz]] Database.
**-- This Category groups all pages about [[MusicBrainz]] developers. See alsoand [[User:MusicBrainzBio|MusicBrainzBio]].
**-- This Category groups all pages that provide download links for [[MusicBrainz]] Products.
**-- This Category is for pages that explain the various stati an Edit may have during its lifetime.
**-- This category contains pages dealing with [[Frequently Asked Questions|FrequentlyAskedQuestions]].
**-- This is a list of [[How To|HowTo]]'s automatically created from ?[[Back Links|BackLinks]] to this page. For a more structured overview and instructions on how to add new pages, see [[How To|HowTo]]
**-- Indexpages just collect pages that deal with a specific topic without that topic being discussed on the page itself. Please keep in mind that a ?WikiIsAFlatHierarchy. That means that pages can be listed on several indices. Indexpages form nothing like a directory tree but are mere clusters for topics.
**-- This Category groups all pages that deal with the mailing lists available on the server.
**-- This Category groups all pages that define a [[Moderator Language|ModeratorLanguage]]. There is a description of how these pages work on [[Moderator Language|ModeratorLanguage]]#[[How To|HowTo]]
**-- Pages that have a philosophical viewpoint.
**-- Pages that have a philosophical viewpoint.
**-- This Category groups all pages about [[Picard Tagger|PicardTagger]]
**-- This Category groups all [[MusicBrainz]] Products.
**-- This Category is for pages that make proposals which are not only about style (which is covered by) but also new ideas for further developments and other stuff.
**-- This Category groups all pages that contain a [[Proposed Advanced Relationship Type|ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType]]. It is used to automatically generate a list of these pages on [[Proposed Advanced Relationship Type|ProposedAdvancedRelationshipType]]
**-- Pages that deal with proposed [[Style Guideline|StyleGuideline]]'s.
**-- This Category groups all pages about [[Advanced Relationship Attributes|AdvancedRelationshipAttributes]].
**-- This Category groups all pages about [[Advanced Relationship Classes|AdvancedRelationshipClasses]].
**-- This Category groups all pages about [[Advanced Relationship Types|AdvancedRelationshipTypes]].
**-- This Category is for pages that deal with the applications which use the [[MusicBrainz]] data, but are not maintained by the [[MusicBrainz]] developers. See the Products page if you want to learn about the [[MusicBrainz]] products.
**-- Pages that deal with Style issues.
**-- This Category groups all pages that are used on the [[MusicBrainz]] Server for Transcluded ?[[Text Fragments|TextFragments]]
**-- This Category groups all pages that deal with lists of stuff to do.
**-- This Category groups all pages that deal with lists of stuff to do.
**-- This Category groups all [[Wiki Docs Pages|WikiDocsPages]]. See [[WikiDocs]] for details.
**-- This Category groups all pages kept for historical purposes (Discussion, Proposal, ...).


====Needs splitting====
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*:
**?
**: terminology used in the [[Server]]? It might be a subcategory ofthat way:


{| border="1"
Some other proposed Categories:
|-
*-- For pages describing implementation details of interest only to developers.
|
* [[CategoryDocumentation]] -- For MusicBrainz documentation being developed on the Wiki.
* [[CategoryFAQ]] -- This category contains pages dealing with [[FrequentlyAskedQuestions]].
* [[CategoryTerminology]]
* [[CategoryArtist]] -- Pages providing documentation about [[Artist]]s.
* [[CategoryLabel]] -- Pages providing documentation about [[Label]]s.
* [[CategoryAnnotation]] -- Pages providing documentation about [[Annotation]]s.
* [[CategoryRelease]] -- Pages providing documentation about [[Release]]s.
* [[CategoryEditTypes]] -- For documentation of different [[EditType]]s.
* ...
|}
*:
******* wiki?
** style?
** development?


====Questionable====
==The Big Mess==


*: There are only 3 pages in this category.should be sufficient. -- [[User:murdos|murdos]] 13:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
There are many pages in the Wiki that deal with "moderating issues". But moderating is [[Bad Terminology|BadTerminology]] and "Issues" is a bad [[Wiki Name|WikiName]], hence we end up with a [[Big Mess|BigMess]]. [[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] didn't know how to name these pages or what category to assign to them. [[User:TarragonAllen|TarragonAllen]] proposed that we create an [[Editing Guideline|EditingGuideline]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s page to organize them, and [[User:Dupuy|Dupuy]] createdto categorize them. However, there are still pages in the the [[Big Mess|BigMess]] for which those suggestions aren't right, because sometimes they blur into development, style or [[Frequently Asked Questions|FrequentlyAskedQuestions]].
*: we should not maintain wiki page for external software but rather link to an external page


==Ad-hoc/Pseudo Categories==
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This is a list of all the pages on the wiki that list other pages on the wiki, but aren't Categories. {{FullSearch|FullSearch -c:r:t:^Category}}
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===Note===


==Discussion==
There are still pages likein the Wiki. They were part of a (rather ugly but well meant) hack by [[User:Dupuy|Dupuy]]. I deleted the whole set of pages because it breaks the. Categories are very straightforward and easy to understand if there are no hacks around them. People do not even need an explanation on how to create categories, they just look at how a category page works. That is enough. If they write a page they can just add a category at the bottom, whether it already exists or not. This simplicity is quite important to the Wiki, because like this the categories are easily kept up to date.


I've got to wonder if it's possible to produce a flat (or better yet hierarchical) list of categories (as above) automatically. It would certainly be easier to keep up-to-date than a hand-edited list... perhaps a script that watches for edits on Category.*, pulls the description, and updates/adds the list? Please [[Answer Me|AnswerMe]]. -- [[User:MartinRudat|MartinRudat]] 08:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
So now this page links to all categories although it is truly of. I think we can live with that. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I can live with the simpler category pages, but despite what [[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] says, it's not enough to "just add a category at the bottom, whether it already exists or not" since the category page must exist in order to search for pages in that category. Furthermore, unless the category page is inand linked from this page, it's not that likely to be used for searching by anyone. [[User:Dupuy|@alex]]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I've also found an even uglier hack for preventing backlinks; you can use a URL link like [http:?CandidateForDeletion Candidate­ForDeletion] (<code><nowiki>[http:?CandidateForDeletion CandidateForDeletion]</nowiki></code>) and no backlink will be generated. While far more hideous than the other scheme, it doesn't require any special knowledge by those who want to use categories in the normal way. [[User:Dupuy|@alex]]
</ul>
</ul>


Since [[Moin Moin|MoinMoin]] does not support sub-categories, we should determine if we indicates all parent categories when tagging a page with a subcategory. Example: PageA is in, should add it explicitly intoo? I think we should at least for the documentation part of the wiki. Please [[Answer Me|AnswerMe]]. -- [[User:murdos|murdos]] 11:38, 01 May 2007 (UTC)
==Ad-hoc/Pseudo Categories==


== Invalid Relationship Family Categories ==
This is a list of all the pages on the wiki that list other pages on the wiki, but aren't Categories. {{FullSearch|FullSearch -c:r:t:^Category}}
These are all invalid due to being redundant ('Artist Label Relationship Family' would 100% duplicate 'Label Artist Relationship Family').
* [[:Category:Artist-Artist Credit Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Label Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Medium Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Recording Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Release Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Release Group Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Track Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Label Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Medium Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Recording Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Release Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Release Group Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Track Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Artist Credit-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-Medium Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-Recording Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-Release Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-Release Group Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-Track Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Label-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Medium-Recording Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Medium-Release Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Medium-Release Group Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Medium-Track Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Medium-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Medium-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Medium-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Recording-Release Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Recording-Release Group Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Recording-Track Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Recording-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Recording-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Recording-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release-Release Group Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release-Track Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release Group-Track Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release Group-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release Group-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Release Group-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Track-Tracklist Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Track-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Track-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Tracklist-URL Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:Tracklist-Work Relationship Family]]
* [[:Category:URL-Work Relationship Family]]


==Fully cleaned up doc sections==
==Discussion==
I've completely cleaned up every single page relating to ARs, and (re)categorized them all to the following category treemap:
<pre>
Category:Documentation Category:Development
+ Category:Advanced Relationship |
+ Category:Relationship Attribute |
+ Category:Relationship Class |
+ Category:Relationship Family |
+ Category:Relationship Type +
+ Category:Proposed Relationship Type --> Category:Proposal
- Advanced Relationship Style
- Don't Make Relationship Clusters
- Same Artist With Different Names

Category:Official Style
- Advanced Relationship Style
- Don't Make Relationship Clusters
- Same Artist With Different Names
- Has Lyrics At Relationship Type/Whitelist
- Has Score At Relationship Type/Whitelist
- Has Cover Art At Relationship Type/Whitelist

Category:{{{Class}}} Relationship Class
- Every applicable parent Relationship Class
- Every applicable Relationship Type
- Every current applicable Relationship Type proposal

Category:{{{Entity1}}} {{{Entity2}}} Relationship Family
- Every applicable Relationship Type
- Every current applicable Relationship Type proposal

Category:Relationship Type
- Every Relationship Type
- Every current Relationship Type proposal

Category:Proposed Relationship Type
- Every current Relationship Type proposal


Category:History
I've got to wonder if it's possible to produce a flat (or better yet hierachical) list of categories (as above) automatically. It would certainly be easier to keep up-to-date than a hand-edited list... perhaps a script that watches for edits on Category.*, pulls the description, and updates/adds the list? Please [[Answer Me|AnswerMe]]. -- [[User:MartinRudat|MartinRudat]] 08:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Every dead Relationship Type proposal


Category:Relationship Attribute
[[Category:Candidate for Deletion]] [[Category:Person]] [[Category:Development]] [[Category:Discussion]] [[Category:FAQ]] [[Category:Metadata]] [[Category:Style]] [[Category:Official Style]] [[Category:Editing]] [[Category:Edit Types]] [[Category:Documentation]] [[Category:Terminology]] [[Category:External]] [[Category:Wiki]] [[Category:Affiliate]] [[Category:Category]] [[Category:Advanced Relationships]] [[Category:Bio]] [[Category:Communication Forum]] [[Category:Database]] [[Category:Developer]] [[Category:Person]] [[Category:Download]] [[Category:Edit Status]] [[Category:FAQ]] [[Category:How To]] [[Category:Index]] [[Category:Mailing List]] [[Category:Moderator Language]] [[Category:Philosophy]] [[Category:Picard]] [[Category:Products]] [[Category:Proposal]] [[Category:Proposed Style]] [[Category:Proposed Advanced Relationship Type]] [[Category:Proposed Style]] [[Category:Relationship Attributes]] [[Category:Relationship Classes]] [[Category:Relationship Type]] [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Style]] [[Category:Textfragment]] [[Category:To Do List]] [[Category:WikiDocs Page]] [[Category:Development]] [[Category:Editing]] [[Category: Category]] [[Category:System]] [[Category:Wiki]] [[Category:Category]] [[Category:Wiki]]
- Every Relationship Attribute
</pre>

Latest revision as of 16:03, 26 May 2015

Purpose

What categories do we need, are they good the way they are? Which ones should be proposed in Wiki Categories?

Listing and discussion of current categories

Categories needing discussion

Full list

  • Category:Development -- For pages about MusicBrainz features and implementation. This one is getting huge. Maybe we should split it.
    • Category:Proposal -- This category is for pages that make proposals which are not only about style (which is covered by) but also new ideas for further developments and other stuff.
  • Category:Discussion-- For discussion threads. Pages will often be in this and some other category.
  • Category:Metadata -- For additional info pages that someday may go into the database.
  • Category:Editing -- For pages describing, proposing, or discussing the editing process & guidelines.
    • Category:Edit Status -- This Category is for pages that explain the various stati an Edit may have during its lifetime.
  • -- For pages with descriptions of other related software, resources, or external links.
    • -- This Category is for pages that deal with the applications which use the MusicBrainz data, but are not maintained by the MusicBrainz developers. See the Products page if you want to learn about the MusicBrainz products.
  • and of course, which includes all of the above, plus any which aren't yet listed here.
    • -- Pages that have a philosophical viewpoint.
    • -- This Category groups all pages that deal with lists of stuff to do.
    • -- This Category groups all pages kept for historical purposes (Discussion, Proposal, ...).

Needs splitting

    • ?
      terminology used in the Server? It might be a subcategory ofthat way:
              • wiki?
    • style?
    • development?

Questionable

  • There are only 3 pages in this category.should be sufficient. -- murdos 13:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
    we should not maintain wiki page for external software but rather link to an external page

Ad-hoc/Pseudo Categories

This is a list of all the pages on the wiki that list other pages on the wiki, but aren't Categories. Template:FullSearch

Discussion

I've got to wonder if it's possible to produce a flat (or better yet hierarchical) list of categories (as above) automatically. It would certainly be easier to keep up-to-date than a hand-edited list... perhaps a script that watches for edits on Category.*, pulls the description, and updates/adds the list? Please AnswerMe. -- MartinRudat 08:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Since MoinMoin does not support sub-categories, we should determine if we indicates all parent categories when tagging a page with a subcategory. Example: PageA is in, should add it explicitly intoo? I think we should at least for the documentation part of the wiki. Please AnswerMe. -- murdos 11:38, 01 May 2007 (UTC)

Invalid Relationship Family Categories

These are all invalid due to being redundant ('Artist Label Relationship Family' would 100% duplicate 'Label Artist Relationship Family').

Fully cleaned up doc sections

I've completely cleaned up every single page relating to ARs, and (re)categorized them all to the following category treemap: 

Category:Documentation				Category:Development
  + Category:Advanced Relationship			  |
      + Category:Relationship Attribute			  |
      + Category:Relationship Class			  |
      + Category:Relationship Family			  |
      + Category:Relationship Type			  +
          + Category:Proposed Relationship Type  --> Category:Proposal
      - Advanced Relationship Style
      - Don't Make Relationship Clusters
      - Same Artist With Different Names

Category:Official Style
    - Advanced Relationship Style
    - Don't Make Relationship Clusters
    - Same Artist With Different Names
    - Has Lyrics At Relationship Type/Whitelist
    - Has Score At Relationship Type/Whitelist
    - Has Cover Art At Relationship Type/Whitelist

Category:{{{Class}}} Relationship Class
    - Every applicable parent Relationship Class
    - Every applicable Relationship Type
    - Every current applicable Relationship Type proposal

Category:{{{Entity1}}} {{{Entity2}}} Relationship Family
    - Every applicable Relationship Type
    - Every current applicable Relationship Type proposal

Category:Relationship Type
    - Every Relationship Type
    - Every current Relationship Type proposal

Category:Proposed Relationship Type
    - Every current Relationship Type proposal

Category:History
    - Every dead Relationship Type proposal

Category:Relationship Attribute
    - Every Relationship Attribute
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