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{{Status|This is a discussion about adding podcast support to MusicBrainz. This is '''''not''''' official.}}

Some thoughts for adding Podcasts into MB:
Some thoughts for adding Podcasts into MB:


== Questions ==
;Podcast Series
:usually has a abbreviation. for example "CR" for "Chaosradio" and "CRE" for "Chaosradio Express"
:who is the Artist of a podcast? some podcasters use to add there personal names into the artist field.
:should the moderator be the artist or connected through relationships?


=== Who is the artist of a podcast? ===
;Podast Issues
:A single podcast should have a release Date.
:a single podcast issue could have the following relationships
: <ul><li><code>artist_1</code> was interviewed in <code>podcast_1</code> {on <code>timestamp</code>}</li><li><code>track_1</code> is played in <code>podcast_1</code> on <code>timestamp</code> {in background}</li><li> <code>podcast_1</code> <code>timestamp</code> refers to the following url: <code>url</code></li><li> <code>podcast_1</code> <code>timestamp</code> refers to <code>podcast_2</code> <code>timestamp</code></li></ul>


the good thing is: there is no such thing as an artist in a podcast. there are:
== cue sheets ==
* people who moderate
* people who talk
* people who perform music
* people who do things that may be artistic
but a podcast itself is not an artwork. so we only must question how we fill the ID3-tag 'Artist'. id3 doesn't specify a tag for "Moderator" and most media-player software only use(needs) the artist field --akirom

=== Should the moderator be the artist or connected through relationships? ===

== Possible structure ==

* a podcast has a url
* a podcast usually has an internal number (this should be handled like a catalogue number, some podcasts have their own logic)
* a podcast title may have an abbreviation for example "CR" for "Chaosradio" and "TWiT" for "This Week in Tech"
* each podcast '''issue''' has a release date.

== Possible relationships ==

* ''artist'' was interviewed in ''podcast'' {at ''timestamp''}
* ''track'' is played in ''podcast'' {at ''timestamp''} {in background}
* ''podcast'' at ''timestamp'' refers to ''url''
* ''podcast_1'' at ''timestamp'' refers to ''podcast_2'' at ''timestamp''

== Possible features ==

=== Cue sheets ===


A few rare podcast series come with .cue sheets for each episode, e.g. the Bitjam podcast. Because they come with a .cue sheet, it makes sense to have a tracklist for a podcast. An example in the database is this Bitjam episode: http://musicbrainz.org/release/f705c5b2-c3dc-4c2f-88e6-9c4657b329f6.html --[[User:kuno|warp]].
A few rare podcast series come with .cue sheets for each episode, e.g. the Bitjam podcast. Because they come with a .cue sheet, it makes sense to have a tracklist for a podcast. An example in the database is this Bitjam episode: http://musicbrainz.org/release/f705c5b2-c3dc-4c2f-88e6-9c4657b329f6.html --[[User:kuno|warp]].
: Another example is Armin van Buuren's A State of Trance podcast. The podcast is bootlegged as [[Release:8f31beb4-9cbc-4b46-bb36-b716b39170c6|one single recording]], but because the tracklist is listed online each week we also have another release in the group that [[Release:18346c97-19ad-495a-a48b-69357194efae|contains a proper traditional tracklist]].

=== Import from RSS feed ===

most podcasts are available through RSS. It could be usefull to simply import the titles, releasedates topics and urls from rss feeds--[[User:88.72.236.161|88.72.236.161]] 11:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
: I like this idea, a 'podcast_bot' user could be created and tasked with importing from an rss feed. Perhaps the rss entries could then end up in a holding area (like CD Stubs) where editors could add them one by one to ensure proper guideline usage. Also an additional edit type could be created to handle users adding feed urls (or updating them) to the bot. --[[User:PavanChander|navap]] 15:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


== Possible interface Design ==

=== Podcast ===

{| border="1" width="100%"
|+ Overview for the 'MusicBrainz Example Podcast'
|-
! Nr.
! Title
! Topic
! Moderated by
! Release date
|-
| MBEP-0
| The initial Issue
| At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.
| Oscar Petterson
| 2010-02-23
|-
| MBEP-1
| Who needs Podcasts in MB?
| At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.
| Jimmy Page
| 2010-02-30
|-
| MBEP-2
| Relationships
| Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed diam nonumy eirmod tempor invidunt ut labore et dolore magna aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua.
| Jimmy Page
| 2010-03-05
|-
| MBEP-3
| NGS
| At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.
| James Last
| 2010-03-13
|-
|}

=== Podcast Issue ===

{| border="1" width="100%"
|+ Overview for the 'MusicBrainz Example Podcast' Issue 'MBEP-2: Relationships'
|-
|'''Moderated by:'''<br/>Jimmy Page
|'''Released on:'''<br/>2010-03-05
|'''Title:'''<br/>Relationships
|'''Topic:'''<br/> At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.
|-
|}


{| border="1" width="100%"
|+ TOC
|-
! Timestamp
! Event
|-
| 00:01:02
| Song: ''Ramble On'' by ''Led Zeppelin''
|-
| 00:04:56
| Interview with ''George Harrison''(Artist)
|-
| 00:05:04
| Refers to the following URL http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin
|-
| 00:20:21
| Song: ''Bungee'' by ''Adam Green''
|-
| 00:27:29
| Refers to the Podcast Issue ''MBEP-1''
|}


[[Category:To Be Reviewed]]

Revision as of 22:19, 10 November 2011

Status: This is a discussion about adding podcast support to MusicBrainz. This is not official.

Some thoughts for adding Podcasts into MB:

Questions

Who is the artist of a podcast?

the good thing is: there is no such thing as an artist in a podcast. there are:

  • people who moderate
  • people who talk
  • people who perform music
  • people who do things that may be artistic

but a podcast itself is not an artwork. so we only must question how we fill the ID3-tag 'Artist'. id3 doesn't specify a tag for "Moderator" and most media-player software only use(needs) the artist field --akirom

Should the moderator be the artist or connected through relationships?

Possible structure

  • a podcast has a url
  • a podcast usually has an internal number (this should be handled like a catalogue number, some podcasts have their own logic)
  • a podcast title may have an abbreviation for example "CR" for "Chaosradio" and "TWiT" for "This Week in Tech"
  • each podcast issue has a release date.

Possible relationships

  • artist was interviewed in podcast {at timestamp}
  • track is played in podcast {at timestamp} {in background}
  • podcast at timestamp refers to url
  • podcast_1 at timestamp refers to podcast_2 at timestamp

Possible features

Cue sheets

A few rare podcast series come with .cue sheets for each episode, e.g. the Bitjam podcast. Because they come with a .cue sheet, it makes sense to have a tracklist for a podcast. An example in the database is this Bitjam episode: http://musicbrainz.org/release/f705c5b2-c3dc-4c2f-88e6-9c4657b329f6.html --warp.

Another example is Armin van Buuren's A State of Trance podcast. The podcast is bootlegged as one single recording, but because the tracklist is listed online each week we also have another release in the group that contains a proper traditional tracklist.

Import from RSS feed

most podcasts are available through RSS. It could be usefull to simply import the titles, releasedates topics and urls from rss feeds--88.72.236.161 11:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I like this idea, a 'podcast_bot' user could be created and tasked with importing from an rss feed. Perhaps the rss entries could then end up in a holding area (like CD Stubs) where editors could add them one by one to ensure proper guideline usage. Also an additional edit type could be created to handle users adding feed urls (or updating them) to the bot. --navap 15:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


Possible interface Design

Podcast

Overview for the 'MusicBrainz Example Podcast'
Nr. Title Topic Moderated by Release date
MBEP-0 The initial Issue At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Oscar Petterson 2010-02-23
MBEP-1 Who needs Podcasts in MB? At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Jimmy Page 2010-02-30
MBEP-2 Relationships Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed diam nonumy eirmod tempor invidunt ut labore et dolore magna aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. Jimmy Page 2010-03-05
MBEP-3 NGS At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. James Last 2010-03-13

Podcast Issue

Overview for the 'MusicBrainz Example Podcast' Issue 'MBEP-2: Relationships'
Moderated by:
Jimmy Page
Released on:
2010-03-05
Title:
Relationships
Topic:
At vero eos et accusam et justo duo dolores et ea rebum. Stet clita kasd gubergren, no sea takimata sanctus est Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.


TOC
Timestamp Event
00:01:02 Song: Ramble On by Led Zeppelin
00:04:56 Interview with George Harrison(Artist)
00:05:04 Refers to the following URL http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin
00:20:21 Song: Bungee by Adam Green
00:27:29 Refers to the Podcast Issue MBEP-1