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=Style for sorting artist names=


This pages describes how to format the [[Sortname|SortName]] for [[Artist Name|ArtistName]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s.
This page describes how to format an artist's sort name.
* All [[Sortname|SortName]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s should be in Latin script. For Japanese, Chinese, Greek, etc. [[Artist Name|ArtistName]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s this means they have to be transliterated.
* For artist names that are stylised, i.e. ones which include unusual punctuation or spacing which is not intended to be pronounced using the normal rules, change the stylised characters to their equivalent letter and remove any style-only characters and apply the rules below. Examples: ''"My$t:c DJz"'' have sort name ''"Mystic DJz"''. ''"*NSync"'' have sort name ''"NSync"''. ''"t r a n c e [] c o n t r o l"'' has sort name ''"trance control"''. Exceptions to this rule are [[Artist]]s whose name do not mean anything and cannot be transliterated in any way. Examples: ''"(´・д・)ノ"'' has sort name ''"(´・д・)ノ"''. ''"♪◆m599XGSMF6"'' has sort name ''"♪◆m599XGSMF6"''.
* [[Sortname|SortName]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s contain all the accented characters that are present in the [[Artist Name|ArtistName]], as long as they're in Latin script. Example: ''"René Löwe"'' has sort name ''"Löwe, René"''.
* If an [[Artist Name|ArtistName]] consists of two or more collaborating artists, each individual name is sorted following the rules below. The 'separator' (e.g. "&", "and" or "with") stays the same. Examples: ''"Bob Dylan and The Band"'' have sort name ''"Dylan, Bob and Band, The"''. ''"B.B. King & Eric Clapton"'' have sort name ''"King, B.B. & Clapton, Eric"''. ''"Bill Haley & His Comets"'' have sort name ''"Haley, Bill & His Comets"''. This rule does not apply for artist names that seem to consist of more than one artist, but do not. Example: sort name for ''"Hootie & the Blowfish"'' is the same, because the Blowfish are not are separate band.
* All parts of a sort name are separated by ", " (comma and space). How to distinguishing parts is explained below.
* For artist names that are regular names, the sort name will be "Last Name, First Name". Example: ''"Eric Clapton"'' 's sort name is ''"Clapton, Eric"''.
* For artist names that are ficticious names, the sort name is the same as the artist name. Examples: ''"Franz Ferdinand"'' and ''"Cypress Hill"''.
* For artist names that start with "The", that word is treated as is it were a first name of a regular name. Examples: ''"The Beatles"'' have sort name ''"Beatles, The"''.
* Non-english articles like La, El, Los and Le are treated as the English article The. Example: ''"Los Lobos"'' have sort name ''"Lobos, Los"''.
* For artist names that start with a title like "Dr.", "DJ" or "MC", that title is treated as is it were a first name of a regular name. Example: ''"DJ Tiësto"'' has sort name ''"Tiësto, DJ"''.
* For artist names that end with a title like "Jr." or "Sr.", that title is always put at the end of the sort name, preceded by ", ". Example: ''"Harry Connick, Jr."'' has sort name ''"Connick, Harry, Jr."''.
* For artist names with a nickname between the first name and last name, the nickname is treated as if it's part of the first name of the artist. Example: ''"Jean 'Toots' Thielemans"'' has sort name ''"Thielemans, Jean 'Toots'"''.
* For artists whose last names start with an abbreviation, the last names are unabbreviated in the sort name. Example: ''"Rebecca St. James"'' has sort name ''"Saint James, Rebecca"''.
* Artist names that contain a person's name (usually bands) do not sort as persons, but as ficticious names. Examples: ''"The Sensational Alex Harvey Band"'' has sort name ''"Sensational Alex Harvey Band, The"''. ''"The Jimi Hendrix Experience"'' has sort name ''"Jimi Hendrix Experience, The"''.


==Guidelines==
More examples:
<ol>
* ''"A Perfect Circle"'' has sort name ''"A Perfect Circle"''.
<li>Person artist names have sort name "family name, given name".</li>
<ol style="list-style-type:lower-alpha">
<li>Middle names and nicknames should be treated as a part of the given name.</li>
<li> Names beginning with an abbreviated title, such as Dr., DJ, or MC should have the title treated as if it were a part of the given name.</li>
<li>Family names which begin with an abbreviation should have the abbreviation expanded in the sort name.</li>
<li>Suffixes like "Jr." and "Sr." should be listed after the given name.</li>
</ol>
<li>Group artist names beginning with an [[WikiPedia:Article_(grammar)|article]] ''(a, an, the, etc.)'' have the article moved to the end of their sort name.</li>
<ol style="list-style-type:lower-alpha">
<li> Where a real person's name appears in a group artist's name, the artist's sort name should be the sort name for that person, followed by the remainder of the group artist's name.</li>
</ol>
<li>The main artist sort name should be in [[WikiPedia:Latin characters in Unicode|Latin script]] for compatibility reasons. If the [[Artist Name|artist's name]] is normally written using a non-Latin script, use the Latin script translated or transliterated name by which the artist is most commonly known. Alias sort names should use the appropriate script for the locale.</li>
<li>For artist names containing stylized characters, change those characters to their equivalent Latin script letter, removing any style-only punctuation, spacing, or other characters, unless the artist's name contains '''only''' stylized characters, which have no inherent meaning to translate, and which cannot be transliterated.</li>
<li>Artist sort names should retain all Latin [[WikiPedia:Diacritic#Types|diacritics]] present in the [[Artist Name|artist name]].</li>
<li>Numerals present in the [[Artist Name|artist name]] do not change.</li>
<li>All disparate parts of a sort name should be separated by ", " (comma and space).</li>
</ol>


==Examples==
==Language specific rules==
All examples should be interpreted as clarification upon the guidelines; no new guidelines should be interpreted from any example.


===Guideline 1. Name of a person===
Sort names for non-English artist names are not discussed yet. Please help out.
:* [[Artist:618b6900-0618-4f1e-b835-bccb17f84294|Eric Clapton]] has sort name "Clapton, Eric"
:* [[Artist:bc807a53-e825-4452-960e-3c87e3bc95f7|Eötvös Péter]] has sort name "Eötvös, Péter" (name follows Hungarian "Surname Name" order, but the sort name is unaffected)
:* [[Artist:8a399a51-6b93-448e-82c0-f86c83602605|Hildur Guðnadóttir]] has sort name "Hildur Guðnadóttir" (Guðnadóttir is a patronymic, not a surname, as custom in Iceland)
::* But: [[Artist:6655955b-1c1e-4bcb-84e4-81bcd9efab30|Ólafur Arnalds]] has sort name "Arnalds, Ólafur" (Arnalds ''is'' a surname, not a patronymic)
:* [[Artist:fd23e684-270f-4507-9cb0-a0e0d7854d16|Harry Connick, Jr.]] has sort name "Connick, Harry, Jr."


===Guideline 1a. Middle names and nicknames===
Icelandic: sort on their first name
:* Jean 'Toots' Thielemans has sort name "Thielemans, Jean 'Toots'"


===Guideline 1b. Name begins with an abbreviated title===
Portuguese: '''Person'''
:* [[Artist:ebd7d505-9eb8-4c74-9dd4-ebe308e04d72|DJ Shah]] has sort name "Shah, DJ"
* Last name, First name [2nd, 3rd, ...]. Example: ''"Moreira, Gilberto Passos Gil"''
:* SPC Stephen Pauls has sort name "Pauls, SPC Stephen"
* Specific rules:
** Compost last name. Example: ''"Espírito Santo, Pedro"''
** Familiar ship indication names (Filho, Neto, Júnior), go with the last name. Example: ''"Connick Júnior, Harry"''
** ''de, da, e'' before last name. Example: ''"Hollanda, Francisco Buarque de"''


===Guideline 1c. Family name begins with abbreviation===
Dutch: [[Artist Name|ArtistName]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s with an adjective (is that the right word?): artist "Boudewijn de Groot" to "Groot, de, Boudewijn". This seems to me the most clear and logically correct way to sort these artists. Since "de" is not part of the first name ("De Groot" is the last name), and since we want to sort these persons under "Groot" the best option is "Groot, de, Boudewijn". Better than "Groot, Boudewijn de" where "de" seems to be part of the first name, which it is incorrect.
:* [[Artist:302716e4-a702-4bbc-baac-591f8a8e20bc|Rebecca St. James]] has sort name "Saint James, Rebecca"
:* [[Artist:51da3924-90e9-41fb-be47-58f30176a101|St. Lunatics]] has sort name "Saint Lunatics"


===Guideline 2. Name of a group===
Hungarian: Hungarian names follow the "western" custom, using given name and family name. However, Hungary is the only European country to place the family name before the given names, i.e. it uses the eastern name order. So effectively the sort name equals the name there.
:'''A'''
::* [[Artist:078a9376-3c04-4280-b7d7-b20e158f345d|A Perfect Circle]] has sort name "Perfect Circle, A"
:'''An'''
::* [[Artist:351abf24-534b-4aad-b26c-d19f56c572f2|An Epic at Best]] has sort name "Epic at Best, An"
:'''The'''
::* [[Artist:2b9967c7-3246-4658-a561-ded5408dd9af|Los Lobos]] has sort name "Lobos, Los"
::* [[Artist:b10bbbfc-cf9e-42e0-be17-e2c3e1d2600d|The Beatles]] has sort name "Beatles, The"
:'''No Article'''
::* [[Artist:51508c1f-8d07-4a00-9cf1-26c570fe7b78|Cypress Hill]] has sort name "Cypress Hill"
::* [[Artist:b3120863-d98d-4bad-a637-8abd8cde6685|Hootie & the Blowfish]] has sort name "Hootie & the Blowfish"


===Guideline 2a. Name of a person in a group artist name===
==Discussion==
:* [[Artist:abe2669a-a612-4bf6-9193-bb4f4b8a9088|Ben Folds Five]] has sort name "Folds, Ben, Five"
:* [[Artist:4458d70d-c215-4f06-beea-ebd448dad6ac|Bill Haley & His Comets]] has sort name "Haley, Bill & His Comets"
:* [[Artist:c296e10c-110a-4103-9e77-47bfebb7fb2e|Bob Marley and the Wailers]] has sort name "Marley, Bob and the Wailers"
:* [[Artist:07e748f1-075e-428d-85dc-ce3be434e906|Dave Matthews Band]] has sort name "Matthews, Dave, Band
:* [[Artist:2bf1f61a-6dc8-43bd-aaf4-8852a0c4a345|Don Redman and His Orchestra]] has sort name "Redman, Don and His Orchestra"
:* [[Artist:40d8f506-0d62-49bd-9bae-8c52b72c9ee1|Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine]] has sort name "Estefan, Gloria and the Miami Sound Machine"
:* [[Artist:e3c8b0c8-3fa0-464b-b1f5-119cb52d3817|Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble]] has sort name "Vaughan, Stevie Ray and Double Trouble"
:* [[Artist:f98711e5-06f7-43ed-8239-da0f61a9c460|The Alan Parsons Project]] has sort name "Parsons, Alan, Project, The"
:* [[Artist:33b3c323-77c2-417c-a5b4-af7e6a111cc9|The Jimi Hendrix Experience]] has sort name "Hendrix, Jimi, Experience, The"
:* "[[Artist:b304dc15-a567-47f7-9db0-8e9a1aeeba1e|The Sensational Alex Harvey Band]]" has sort name "Harvey, Alex, Sensational Band, The"


===Guideline 3. Latin script only===
!BibTeX has a pretty complete sorting algorithm and that one defines a "von-part" of the Name, Thus IIRC ''Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen'' (The 'Red Baron') is sorted: ''Richthofen, Frieherr von, Manfred Albrecht''. I assume that is what you mean by 'adjective'. The correct desciption is either "von-part" or aristocratic title or something like that. I think most sorting practices agree that this is a special part that has to be treated by itself. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
:* [[Artist:9ddd7abc-9e1b-471d-8031-583bc6bc8be9|Пётр Ильич Чайковский]] "Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich"
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:* [[Artist:5565ae4b-bb20-48a4-a8b0-dfdeb53b555a|布袋寅泰‎]] has sort name "Hotei, Tomoyasu"


===Guideline 4. De-stylize===
:* [[Artist:7c259e8a-f67b-45ff-b0f5-6b63d3a692cf|My$t:c DJz]] has sort name "Mystic DJz"
:* [[Artist:603ba565-3967-4be1-931e-9cb945394e86|*NSync]] has sort name "NSync"
:* [[Artist:f4d5cc07-3bc9-4836-9b15-88a08359bc63|P!nk]] has sort name "Pink"
:* [[Artist:902286c2-e7d1-4ee8-adb6-216d6a71a05c|trance[]control]] has sort name "trancecontrol"
:; Nothing to trans(liter)ate
:* [[Artist:595198f1-3558-4a57-be64-f0f5f5de7254|(´・д・)ノ]] has sort name "(´・д・)ノ"
:* [[Artist:d867d382-35fc-49fb-a45a-64b66c0b8557|♪◆m599XGSMF6]] has sort name "♪◆m599XGSMF6"


===Guideline 5. Accented Latin characters===
There actually are standardised names for most artists which have been determined by the wise seers at the Library of Congress (and are in the processes of being harmonised with the British Library and other national libraries). These are called "name authority records" and can be conveniently searched online at: [http://authorities.loc.gov/ http://authorities.loc.gov/]
:* [[Artist:f12647e5-d3aa-4dd4-b83b-c45eea712b60|René Löwe]] has sort name "Löwe, René"


===Guideline 6. Numerals===
According to them, the official names for the above are: "Muslimgauze (Musician)" and " 'N Sync (Musical group)". (Authorised names are in the "100's" fields, and known alternate names or aliases are found in the "600's" fields.) The others don't seem to have authority records..., yet.
:* [[Artist:53a61b1f-dd88-45e7-b5d8-3e84038aa81a|The Four Freshmen]] has sort name "Four Freshmen, The"
:* [[Artist:b9a06530-1241-4162-836f-7b8e79deaa58|10,000 Maniacs]] has sort name "10,000 Maniacs"
:* [[Artist:0ab49580-c84f-44d4-875f-d83760ea2cfe|Maroon 5]] has sort name "Maroon 5"


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Another scheme that librarians use, primarily for electronic records, is called the Dublin Core. (It's a way of adding information to HTML documents to identify the creator, etc.) I found a site about the Dublin Core which contains a very good description of how people who catalogue things for a living approach unknown names and non-standard characters. There's a [http://www.cdpheritage.org/resource/metadata/documents/WSDCMES_v1-1_2002-11-06.pdf PDF document] or you can skip directly to an HTML version of page 9 ("Creator") in the [http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:MXQ6EMQtzyQJ:www.cdpheritage.org/resource/metadata/documents/WSDCMES_v1-1_2002-11-06.pdf&ie=UTF-8#9 Google cache].
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What about an artist called '''St. Lunatics'''? I'd say: use the same name as [[Sortname|SortName]]. This could be compared to the band '''Franz Ferdinand''', which also has its [[Artist Name|ArtistName]] as [[Sortname|SortName]]. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Just like the notation above about 'Rebecca St. James' uses a sort name unabbreviated 'Saint'. Also stated here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collation#Abbreviations_and_common_words http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collation#Abbreviations_and_common_words] --[["Tele GUIS E"|teleGUISE]]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Rebecca St. James is a person, St. Lunatics is a band. Same argument as for Franz Ferdinand's [[Sortname|SortName]]. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
</ul>
</ul>

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What should be the sort name for an artist like [http://www.last.fm/music/%E2%99%AA%E2%97%86m599XGSMF6 ♪◆m599XGSMF6] [http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=314771 MB]? It's not meant to be pronouncable at all. Short background: artist is an amateur artist that has posted some works online. The name is the sage they use on the site 2ch. So basically their artist name is an unpronouncable hash of a string of text used to identify them on an anonymous chat site. I wouldn't really expect them in the m section but transliterating the ♪◆ part doesn't make much sense either since it's not meant to have a reading at all. --[[User:DJKC|DJKC]]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">These exceptional cases can be handled best on a case-by-case basis. In this case, I'd say the [[Sortname|SortName]] is the same as the [[Artist Name|ArtistName]]. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">They're becoming more common in Japan though, which is why I brought the subject up. [http://www.last.fm/music/(´・д・)ノ (´・д・)ノ] [http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=314772 MB] and [http://www.last.fm/music/O- O-] [http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=314773 MB] both come to mind as other ones not meant to be pronouncable. Digital artists that only plan on releasing online don't really need to be, I guess...
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">OK, added these cases as a rule.
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>

[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Style]] [[Category:Proposed Style]]

Revision as of 10:34, 12 June 2018

Status: This is an official style guideline.

This page describes how to format an artist's sort name.

Guidelines

  1. Person artist names have sort name "family name, given name".
    1. Middle names and nicknames should be treated as a part of the given name.
    2. Names beginning with an abbreviated title, such as Dr., DJ, or MC should have the title treated as if it were a part of the given name.
    3. Family names which begin with an abbreviation should have the abbreviation expanded in the sort name.
    4. Suffixes like "Jr." and "Sr." should be listed after the given name.
  2. Group artist names beginning with an article (a, an, the, etc.) have the article moved to the end of their sort name.
    1. Where a real person's name appears in a group artist's name, the artist's sort name should be the sort name for that person, followed by the remainder of the group artist's name.
  3. The main artist sort name should be in Latin script for compatibility reasons. If the artist's name is normally written using a non-Latin script, use the Latin script translated or transliterated name by which the artist is most commonly known. Alias sort names should use the appropriate script for the locale.
  4. For artist names containing stylized characters, change those characters to their equivalent Latin script letter, removing any style-only punctuation, spacing, or other characters, unless the artist's name contains only stylized characters, which have no inherent meaning to translate, and which cannot be transliterated.
  5. Artist sort names should retain all Latin diacritics present in the artist name.
  6. Numerals present in the artist name do not change.
  7. All disparate parts of a sort name should be separated by ", " (comma and space).

Examples

All examples should be interpreted as clarification upon the guidelines; no new guidelines should be interpreted from any example.

Guideline 1. Name of a person

  • Eric Clapton has sort name "Clapton, Eric"
  • Eötvös Péter has sort name "Eötvös, Péter" (name follows Hungarian "Surname Name" order, but the sort name is unaffected)
  • Hildur Guðnadóttir has sort name "Hildur Guðnadóttir" (Guðnadóttir is a patronymic, not a surname, as custom in Iceland)
  • But: Ólafur Arnalds has sort name "Arnalds, Ólafur" (Arnalds is a surname, not a patronymic)

Guideline 1a. Middle names and nicknames

  • Jean 'Toots' Thielemans has sort name "Thielemans, Jean 'Toots'"

Guideline 1b. Name begins with an abbreviated title

  • DJ Shah has sort name "Shah, DJ"
  • SPC Stephen Pauls has sort name "Pauls, SPC Stephen"

Guideline 1c. Family name begins with abbreviation

Guideline 2. Name of a group

A
An
The
No Article

Guideline 2a. Name of a person in a group artist name

Guideline 3. Latin script only

Guideline 4. De-stylize

Nothing to trans(liter)ate

Guideline 5. Accented Latin characters

Guideline 6. Numerals

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