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=Style for artist sort names=


This page describes how to format an artist's sort name.
'''The sort name is the name that will be used when the artist is listed in a sorted list with other artists.'''
* Sort names contain all the accented characters that are present in the artist name.
* If an [[Artist Name|ArtistName]] consists of two or more collaborating artists, each individual name is sorted following the rules below. The 'separator' (e.g. "&", "and" or "with") stays the same. Examples: ''"Bob Dylan and The Band"'' have sort name ''"Dylan, Bob and Band, The"''. ''"B.B. King & Eric Clapton"'' have sort name ''"King, B.B. & Clapton, Eric"''. This rule does not apply for artist names that seem to consist of more than one artist, but do not. Example: sort name for ''"Hootie & the Blowfish"'' is the same, because the Blowfish are not are separate band.
* All parts of a sort name are separated by ", " (comma and space). How to distinguishing parts is explained below.
* For artist names that are regular names, the sort name will be "Last Name, First Name". Example: ''"Eric Clapton"'' 's sort name is ''"Clapton, Eric"''. (Note that this does not apply to icelandic artists, as those sort on their first name.)
* For artist names that are ficticious names, the sort name is the same as the artist name. Examples: ''"Franz Ferdinand"'' and ''"Cypress Hill"''.
* For artist names that start with "The", "A" and "An", that word is treated as is it were a first name of a regular name. Examples: ''"The Beatles"'' have sort name ''"Beatles, The"''. ''"A Perfect Circle"'' has sort name ''"Perfect Circle, A"''.
* Non-english articles like La, El, Los and Le are treated as the English article The. Example: ''"Los Lobos"'' have sort name ''"Lobos, Los"''.
* For artist names that start with a title like "Dr.", "DJ" or "MC", that title is treated as is it were a first name of a regular name. Example: ''"DJ Tiësto"'' has sort name ''"Tiësto, DJ"''.
* For artist names that end with a title like "Jr." or "Sr.", that title is always put at the end of the sort name, preceded by ", ". Example: ''"Harry Connick, Jr."'' has sort name ''"Connick, Harry, Jr."''.
* For artist names with a nickname between the first name and last name, the nickname is treated as if it's part of the first name of the artist. Example: ''"Jean 'Toots' Thielemans"'' has sort name ''"Thielemans, Jean 'Toots'"''.
* For artists whose last names start with an abbreviation, the last names are unabbreviated in the sort name. Example: ''"Rebecca St. James"'' has sort name ''"Saint James, Rebecca"''.


==Discussion==
==Guidelines==
<ol>
<li>Person artist names have sort name "family name, given name".</li>
<ol style="list-style-type:lower-alpha">
<li>Middle names and nicknames should be treated as a part of the given name.</li>
<li> Names beginning with an abbreviated title, such as Dr., DJ, or MC should have the title treated as if it were a part of the given name.</li>
<li>Family names which begin with an abbreviation should have the abbreviation expanded in the sort name.</li>
<li>Suffixes like "Jr." and "Sr." should be listed after the given name.</li>
</ol>
<li>Group artist names beginning with an [[WikiPedia:Article_(grammar)|article]] ''(a, an, the, etc.)'' have the article moved to the end of their sort name.</li>
<ol style="list-style-type:lower-alpha">
<li> Where a real person's name appears in a group artist's name, the artist's sort name should be the sort name for that person, followed by the remainder of the group artist's name.</li>
</ol>
<li>The main artist sort name should be in [[WikiPedia:Latin characters in Unicode|Latin script]] for compatibility reasons. If the [[Artist Name|artist's name]] is normally written using a non-Latin script, use the Latin script translated or transliterated name by which the artist is most commonly known. Alias sort names should use the appropriate script for the locale.</li>
<li>For artist names containing stylized characters, change those characters to their equivalent Latin script letter, removing any style-only punctuation, spacing, or other characters, unless the artist's name contains '''only''' stylized characters, which have no inherent meaning to translate, and which cannot be transliterated.</li>
<li>Artist sort names should retain all Latin [[WikiPedia:Diacritic#Types|diacritics]] present in the [[Artist Name|artist name]].</li>
<li>Numerals present in the [[Artist Name|artist name]] do not change.</li>
<li>All disparate parts of a sort name should be separated by ", " (comma and space).</li>
</ol>


==Examples==
There is another [[Talk:Sortname|SortnameDiscussion]], though that page should probably be merged into this. --[[User:ZeroGravitas|ZeroGravitas]]
All examples should be interpreted as clarification upon the guidelines; no new guidelines should be interpreted from any example.
----


===Guideline 1. Name of a person===
:* [[Artist:618b6900-0618-4f1e-b835-bccb17f84294|Eric Clapton]] has sort name "Clapton, Eric"
:* [[Artist:bc807a53-e825-4452-960e-3c87e3bc95f7|Eötvös Péter]] has sort name "Eötvös, Péter" (name follows Hungarian "Surname Name" order, but the sort name is unaffected)
:* [[Artist:8a399a51-6b93-448e-82c0-f86c83602605|Hildur Guðnadóttir]] has sort name "Hildur Guðnadóttir" (Guðnadóttir is a patronymic, not a surname, as custom in Iceland)
::* But: [[Artist:6655955b-1c1e-4bcb-84e4-81bcd9efab30|Ólafur Arnalds]] has sort name "Arnalds, Ólafur" (Arnalds ''is'' a surname, not a patronymic)
:* [[Artist:eb4b6d16-9d9d-481e-85ad-fd972827bc91|Boudewijn de Groot]] has sort name "Groot, Boudewijn de" (Dutch artists' tussenvoegsel are sorted after the given name as customary in the Netherlands)
:* [[Artist:da8daaa2-f06c-455a-873f-b8b9fe88f9cc|Bart Van den Bossche]] has sort name "Van den Bossche, Bart" (Belgian artists' tussenvoegsel are sorted as part of the surname as customary in Belgium)
:* [[Artist:fd23e684-270f-4507-9cb0-a0e0d7854d16|Harry Connick, Jr.]] has sort name "Connick, Harry, Jr."


===Guideline 1a. Middle names and nicknames===
Sort names for non-English artist names are not discussed yet. Please help out. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
:* Jean 'Toots' Thielemans has sort name "Thielemans, Jean 'Toots'"
----


===Guideline 1b. Name begins with an abbreviated title===
Suggestion for sorting artists with an adjective (is that the right word?): Originally an idea by [[User:Zout|Zout]] when moderating the sortname for the Dutch artist "Boudewijn de Groot" to "Groot, de, Boudewijn". This seems to me the most clear and logically correct way to sort these artists. Since "de" is not part of the first name ("De Groot" is the last name), and since we want to sort these persons under "Groot" the best option is "Groot, de, Boudewijn". Better than "Groot, Boudewijn de" where "de" seems to be part of the first name, which it is incorrect. --[[User:Prupert|prupert]]
:* [[Artist:ebd7d505-9eb8-4c74-9dd4-ebe308e04d72|DJ Shah]] has sort name "Shah, DJ"
:* SPC Stephen Pauls has sort name "Pauls, SPC Stephen"


===Guideline 1c. Family name begins with abbreviation===
!BibTeX has a pretty complete sorting algorithm and that one defines a "von-part" of the Name, Thus IIRC ''Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen'' (The 'Red Baron') is sorted: ''Richthofen, Frieherr von, Manfred Albrecht''. I assume that is what you mean by 'adjective'. The correct desciption is either "von-part" or aristocratic title or something like that. I think most sorting practices agree that this is a special part that has to be treated by itself. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
:* [[Artist:302716e4-a702-4bbc-baac-591f8a8e20bc|Rebecca St. James]] has sort name "Saint James, Rebecca"
:* [[Artist:51da3924-90e9-41fb-be47-58f30176a101|St. Lunatics]] has sort name "Saint Lunatics"


===Guideline 2. Name of a group===
another example: The Sensational Alex Harvey Band and just Alex Harvey, how to sort this? ~[[User:mo|mo]]
:'''A'''
::* [[Artist:078a9376-3c04-4280-b7d7-b20e158f345d|A Perfect Circle]] has sort name "Perfect Circle, A"
:'''An'''
::* [[Artist:351abf24-534b-4aad-b26c-d19f56c572f2|An Epic at Best]] has sort name "Epic at Best, An"
:'''The'''
::* [[Artist:2b9967c7-3246-4658-a561-ded5408dd9af|Los Lobos]] has sort name "Lobos, Los"
::* [[Artist:b10bbbfc-cf9e-42e0-be17-e2c3e1d2600d|The Beatles]] has sort name "Beatles, The"
:'''No Article'''
::* [[Artist:51508c1f-8d07-4a00-9cf1-26c570fe7b78|Cypress Hill]] has sort name "Cypress Hill"
::* [[Artist:b3120863-d98d-4bad-a637-8abd8cde6685|Hootie & the Blowfish]] has sort name "Hootie & the Blowfish"


===Guideline 2a. Name of a person in a group artist name===
Does anyone actually use the 'An' and 'A' sorting rule that's just been added? The reason for ignoring 'The' is because otherwise the T section would be rediculous. Personally I'd look under A in a record shop/book index for these artists.
:* [[Artist:abe2669a-a612-4bf6-9193-bb4f4b8a9088|Ben Folds Five]] has sort name "Folds, Ben, Five"
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">probably not. perhaps it's better to remove it again. --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
:* [[Artist:4458d70d-c215-4f06-beea-ebd448dad6ac|Bill Haley & His Comets]] has sort name "Haley, Bill & His Comets"
</ul>
:* [[Artist:c296e10c-110a-4103-9e77-47bfebb7fb2e|Bob Marley and the Wailers]] has sort name "Marley, Bob and the Wailers"
:* [[Artist:07e748f1-075e-428d-85dc-ce3be434e906|Dave Matthews Band]] has sort name "Matthews, Dave, Band
:* [[Artist:2bf1f61a-6dc8-43bd-aaf4-8852a0c4a345|Don Redman and His Orchestra]] has sort name "Redman, Don and His Orchestra"
:* [[Artist:40d8f506-0d62-49bd-9bae-8c52b72c9ee1|Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine]] has sort name "Estefan, Gloria and the Miami Sound Machine"
:* [[Artist:e3c8b0c8-3fa0-464b-b1f5-119cb52d3817|Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble]] has sort name "Vaughan, Stevie Ray and Double Trouble"
:* [[Artist:f98711e5-06f7-43ed-8239-da0f61a9c460|The Alan Parsons Project]] has sort name "Parsons, Alan, Project, The"
:* [[Artist:33b3c323-77c2-417c-a5b4-af7e6a111cc9|The Jimi Hendrix Experience]] has sort name "Hendrix, Jimi, Experience, The"
:* "[[Artist:b304dc15-a567-47f7-9db0-8e9a1aeeba1e|The Sensational Alex Harvey Band]]" has sort name "Harvey, Alex, Sensational Band, The"


===Guideline 3. Latin script only===
----Authors: [[User:Zout|Zout]] [[User:ZeroGravitas|ZeroGravitas]]
:* [[Artist:9ddd7abc-9e1b-471d-8031-583bc6bc8be9|Пётр Ильич Чайковский]] has sort name "Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich"
:* [[Artist:5565ae4b-bb20-48a4-a8b0-dfdeb53b555a|布袋寅泰‎]] has sort name "Hotei, Tomoyasu"


===Guideline 4. De-stylize===
[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Style]]
:* [[Artist:7c259e8a-f67b-45ff-b0f5-6b63d3a692cf|My$t:c DJz]] has sort name "Mystic DJz"
:* [[Artist:603ba565-3967-4be1-931e-9cb945394e86|*NSync]] has sort name "NSync"
:* [[Artist:f4d5cc07-3bc9-4836-9b15-88a08359bc63|P!nk]] has sort name "Pink"
:* [[Artist:902286c2-e7d1-4ee8-adb6-216d6a71a05c|trance[]control]] has sort name "trancecontrol"
:; Nothing to trans(liter)ate
:* [[Artist:595198f1-3558-4a57-be64-f0f5f5de7254|(´・д・)ノ]] has sort name "(´・д・)ノ"
:* [[Artist:d867d382-35fc-49fb-a45a-64b66c0b8557|♪◆m599XGSMF6]] has sort name "♪◆m599XGSMF6"

===Guideline 5. Accented Latin characters===
:* [[Artist:f12647e5-d3aa-4dd4-b83b-c45eea712b60|René Löwe]] has sort name "Löwe, René"

===Guideline 6. Numerals===
:* [[Artist:53a61b1f-dd88-45e7-b5d8-3e84038aa81a|The Four Freshmen]] has sort name "Four Freshmen, The"
:* [[Artist:b9a06530-1241-4162-836f-7b8e79deaa58|10,000 Maniacs]] has sort name "10,000 Maniacs"
:* [[Artist:0ab49580-c84f-44d4-875f-d83760ea2cfe|Maroon 5]] has sort name "Maroon 5"

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Status: This is an official style guideline.

This page describes how to format an artist's sort name.

Guidelines

  1. Person artist names have sort name "family name, given name".
    1. Middle names and nicknames should be treated as a part of the given name.
    2. Names beginning with an abbreviated title, such as Dr., DJ, or MC should have the title treated as if it were a part of the given name.
    3. Family names which begin with an abbreviation should have the abbreviation expanded in the sort name.
    4. Suffixes like "Jr." and "Sr." should be listed after the given name.
  2. Group artist names beginning with an article (a, an, the, etc.) have the article moved to the end of their sort name.
    1. Where a real person's name appears in a group artist's name, the artist's sort name should be the sort name for that person, followed by the remainder of the group artist's name.
  3. The main artist sort name should be in Latin script for compatibility reasons. If the artist's name is normally written using a non-Latin script, use the Latin script translated or transliterated name by which the artist is most commonly known. Alias sort names should use the appropriate script for the locale.
  4. For artist names containing stylized characters, change those characters to their equivalent Latin script letter, removing any style-only punctuation, spacing, or other characters, unless the artist's name contains only stylized characters, which have no inherent meaning to translate, and which cannot be transliterated.
  5. Artist sort names should retain all Latin diacritics present in the artist name.
  6. Numerals present in the artist name do not change.
  7. All disparate parts of a sort name should be separated by ", " (comma and space).

Examples

All examples should be interpreted as clarification upon the guidelines; no new guidelines should be interpreted from any example.

Guideline 1. Name of a person

  • Eric Clapton has sort name "Clapton, Eric"
  • Eötvös Péter has sort name "Eötvös, Péter" (name follows Hungarian "Surname Name" order, but the sort name is unaffected)
  • Hildur Guðnadóttir has sort name "Hildur Guðnadóttir" (Guðnadóttir is a patronymic, not a surname, as custom in Iceland)
  • But: Ólafur Arnalds has sort name "Arnalds, Ólafur" (Arnalds is a surname, not a patronymic)
  • Boudewijn de Groot has sort name "Groot, Boudewijn de" (Dutch artists' tussenvoegsel are sorted after the given name as customary in the Netherlands)
  • Bart Van den Bossche has sort name "Van den Bossche, Bart" (Belgian artists' tussenvoegsel are sorted as part of the surname as customary in Belgium)
  • Harry Connick, Jr. has sort name "Connick, Harry, Jr."

Guideline 1a. Middle names and nicknames

  • Jean 'Toots' Thielemans has sort name "Thielemans, Jean 'Toots'"

Guideline 1b. Name begins with an abbreviated title

  • DJ Shah has sort name "Shah, DJ"
  • SPC Stephen Pauls has sort name "Pauls, SPC Stephen"

Guideline 1c. Family name begins with abbreviation

Guideline 2. Name of a group

A
An
The
No Article

Guideline 2a. Name of a person in a group artist name

Guideline 3. Latin script only

Guideline 4. De-stylize

Nothing to trans(liter)ate

Guideline 5. Accented Latin characters

Guideline 6. Numerals

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