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=== Live bootlegs without a title ===  
 
=== Live bootlegs without a title ===  
  
;[http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=339201 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (disc 1)]  
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;[[Release:5555caea-3de8-480b-9952-421471a62517|2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (disc 1)]]
  
 
=== Live bootlegs with a well-known title ===  
 
=== Live bootlegs with a well-known title ===  
  
;[http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=324553 Gaslight Tapes]
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;[[Release:07d62425-10da-4dc7-b20f-0c4e6c3f1c43|Gaslight Tapes]]
 
: (may be replaced with a better one, as this is quasi-legitimate).
 
: (may be replaced with a better one, as this is quasi-legitimate).
;[http://musicbrainz.org/album/4bdea6ad-1285-4097-9274-cfe96458cdaa.html Elvis Has Just Left the Building]
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;[[Release:4bdea6ad-1285-4097-9274-cfe96458cdaa|Elvis Has Just Left the Building]]
 
: (A collection of live Elvis covers by Led Zeppelin spanning multiple dates.  Should not be extended.)  
 
: (A collection of live Elvis covers by Led Zeppelin spanning multiple dates.  Should not be extended.)  
; [http://musicbrainz.org/album/1c268fa3-6218-4ff4-8be7-c7a51200438f.html 1980-07-07: Eternal Magic: Eissporthalle, Berlin, Germany]
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; [[Release:1c268fa3-6218-4ff4-8be7-c7a51200438f|1980-07-07: Eternal Magic: Eissporthalle, Berlin, Germany]]
 
: A complete show, or at least all tracks from the same show, released under multiple titles [Eternal Magic, Heineken] can be extended with date/venue information, using the first or most common "title" of the bootleg.
 
: A complete show, or at least all tracks from the same show, released under multiple titles [Eternal Magic, Heineken] can be extended with date/venue information, using the first or most common "title" of the bootleg.
; [http://musicbrainz.org/release/3d2d66bc-9073-42ed-b9d8-6d576e778cf7.html 1980-12-21: Before the Exile! Rainbow Theatre, London, UK]
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; [[Release:3d2d66bc-9073-42ed-b9d8-6d576e778cf7|1980-12-21: Before the Exile! Rainbow Theatre, London, UK]]
 
: This shows how punctuation marks replace the colon.  
 
: This shows how punctuation marks replace the colon.  
; [http://musicbrainz.org/release/b48c4e7a-21ae-408d-88a3-b56e3d2e44da.html 1993-02-12 to 1993-02-26: Pachyderm Studios, Cannon Falls, MN, USA]
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; [[Release:b48c4e7a-21ae-408d-88a3-b56e3d2e44da|1993-02-12 to 1993-02-26: Pachyderm Studios, Cannon Falls, MN, USA]]
 
: A studio session bootleg spanning several consecutive dates.  
 
: A studio session bootleg spanning several consecutive dates.  
  
''Please add examples for every described case here.''  
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''Please add examples for every described case here.''
  
 
==Answers to Checklist==
 
==Answers to Checklist==

Revision as of 05:52, 18 May 2009

Style Guideline for Live Bootlegs

Attention.png Status: This is a ProposedStyleGuideline trying to incorporate UntitledBootlegStyle and a new style for titled live bootlegs.

Guidelines

The following rules apply when titling a live bootleg release:

  1. Live bootlegs without a title must be named by concatenating its date and location information.
    • Syntax: "YYYY-MM-DD: Location".
  2. Live bootlegs with a title may be extended with date and location information as follows:
    • Syntax: "[YYYY-MM-DD: ]Title[: Location]".
    • If there is alternative dividing punctuation mark at the end of the title such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point (!), use that mark instead of the colon.
  3. The location must be formatted using the city and country, and may include a venue and/or state.
    • Syntax: "[Venue, ]City, [State, ]Country".

Notes

  • The parts in square brackets are optional.
  • YYYY-MM-DD is the date of the recording including the year (YYYY), month (MM) and day of month (DD).
  • Venue is the name of the location where the concert took place (name of the hotel, stadium, hall, etc.).
  • City can be the city, town or village.
  • State is to further distinguish cities with identical names (such as Pasadena, TX in Texas vs Pasadena, CA in California) and may be refered to as a province in some countries.
  • Country is the country.

Additional Notes

This guideline must not be used for live bootleg compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live sessions, e.g. A Highway of Diamonds, Volume 1: The Never Ending Tour

This guideline can be applied to releases which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings), e.g. 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (disc 2)

Rationale

In a lot of cases the most important information for live bootlegs is the date when the concert took place. Hiding this information for bootlegs where the person who compiled the release added a title means, that it is harder to find a special recording of a live session, because live bootlegs often don't have a release date.

Adding the venue is useful for finding all concerts an artist performed in one city over the years or all concerts that took place in a special location by using the search interface. Besides that this kind of information would be lost or nearly lost when it was added to the annotation.

On the other hand, there are bootleg releases of special concerts that have a well known title. In those cases its normally appropriate to list them under their title only.

Examples

Live bootlegs without a title

2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (disc 1)

Live bootlegs with a well-known title

Gaslight Tapes
(may be replaced with a better one, as this is quasi-legitimate).
Elvis Has Just Left the Building
(A collection of live Elvis covers by Led Zeppelin spanning multiple dates. Should not be extended.)
1980-07-07: Eternal Magic: Eissporthalle, Berlin, Germany
A complete show, or at least all tracks from the same show, released under multiple titles [Eternal Magic, Heineken] can be extended with date/venue information, using the first or most common "title" of the bootleg.
1980-12-21: Before the Exile! Rainbow Theatre, London, UK
This shows how punctuation marks replace the colon.
1993-02-12 to 1993-02-26: Pachyderm Studios, Cannon Falls, MN, USA
A studio session bootleg spanning several consecutive dates.

Please add examples for every described case here.

Answers to Checklist

Answers to the questions on ChecklistForStyleChanges.

How will this affect the data?

Only release titles of live bootleg releases are affected. It simplifies the process of searching live bootleg releases by concert location and date of the concert.

It further affects the sorting of live bootleg releases in the release list on the artist page. Today this sorting is done by release title. By applying this guideline, releases will be sorted by date of the concert. (Note, that live bootlegs normally don't have a release date.)

In addition to the note on the last paragraph it is worth mentioning, that editors sometimes choose the release date field to store the date of the concert. This leads to wrong data. This proposal might help in minimizing this kind of editor mistakes.

Conflicts with other Style Guidelines

If this proposal is accepted, UntitledBootlegStyle will become obsolete, so it can be removed.

Required Editor Time

Application of this guideline is optional, there will be no data that has to be changed after the proposal is accepted. Although it is likely that some data might be changed to reflect the style allowed by this proposal. This will happen in an evolving way over time.

Required Developer Time

no code changes required

Impact on Paying Clients

Some release titles might be different than before. This only applies for bootleg releases which have a volatile release title anyway. Releases with a well-known title must not be changed according to this proposal, so the impact on Paying Clients is: none to minimal.