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#REDIRECT [[Style/Titles#Series_numbering]] |
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=Style for PartNumbers= |
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Applies to songs that have been split across multiple tracks. |
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'''When a track is one of a series of identically named tracks with a defined order, separate the [[Part Number|PartNumber]] from the [[Track Title|TrackTitle]] by a comma and a space.''' |
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'''"''[[Track Title|TrackTitle]]'', Part 1"''' |
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This guideline is a specification of the more general [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]]. See that page for principles (especially in which cases [[Artist Intent|ArtistIntent]] overrides this guideline). |
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Alternative names for parts may be used, such as Section, or their non-English equivalents. |
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* Note that if the title of a track is just "''Part 1''" or similar then this guideline should not apply, because then "''Part 1''" is considered the [[Track Title|TrackTitle]] and not the [[Part Number|PartNumber]]. |
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* Also note that the [[Abbreviation Style|AbbreviationStyle]] says that you should not use abbreviations in titles. So "Pt." should always be expanded to "Part" (assuming the [[Album Language|AlbumLanguage]] is English). |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This is an [[Official Style Guideline|OfficialStyleGuideline]]. but it is currently (June 2005) under discussion on the [[Style Mailing List|StyleMailingList]] |
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==Example== |
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"''Flares, Part 3''" --[http://musicbrainz.org/track/36bd10fa-3214-4876-ab75-55b59f31606d.html http://musicbrainz.org/track/36bd10fa-3214-4876-ab75-55b59f31606d.html] |
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"''09-15-00, Part One''" --[http://musicbrainz.org/track/9a414931-0cb3-48ec-861e-0c4c344199c5.html http://musicbrainz.org/track/9a414931-0cb3-48ec-861e-0c4c344199c5.html] |
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"''Creepin', Parts 1 & 2''" --[http://musicbrainz.org/track/d5590ff3-51d4-44db-89c6-0a2372524199.html http://musicbrainz.org/track/d5590ff3-51d4-44db-89c6-0a2372524199.html] Two numbers are noted using an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form. |
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"''Train to Lamy Suite, Parts 1-3''" --[http://musicbrainz.org/track/fdd06153-56d0-420d-9130-8103723b2989.html http://musicbrainz.org/track/fdd06153-56d0-420d-9130-8103723b2989.html] More than 2 numbers, which are in sequence are separated by a hyphen "-", the part indication in its plural form. |
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"''This Is a Trackname, Parts 1, 4 & 5''" -- More than 2 numbers, which are *not* in sequence are separated by a comma "," and the last one is added with an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form. |
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==Details== |
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Please see [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]] for details. |
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==Discussion== |
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I have albums where the first part of the track series has no part number, despite a second part existing. In this case I think we should leave that numberless, as it could be considered the 'original' or 'main' version of the song. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]] |
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'''Q:''' Is it ok to have numbers spelled out? |
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'''A:''' Yes it is ok to have the spelled out - see the examples on [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]]. |
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'''Q:''' What if a track "Some Trackname (Pt. 1)" is featured with the said title on a compilation? Should it stick to the formatting as it were in sequence with the other parts of the series, e.g. "Some Trackname, Part 1"? I'm in favor of applying PartNumberStyle to all track names which have some notation of Pt, Pts and other variants. --[[G0llum|g0llum]] |
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'''A:''' I believe that's the thing to do - I think tracks that are intentionally have this abbreviations (for whatever reason) are a rare occurance. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]] |
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'''Q:''' Should stuff not be added to [[Track Titles|TrackTitles]] in parantheses, like in [[Track Attributes Style|TrackAttributesStyle]] and [[Remix Style|RemixStyle]]? |
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'''A:''' As long as it is consistant, use the format the artist uses. Parts are almost always shown with a preceeding comma on tracklistings, rather than track attributes (eg mix names). Also, we consider [[Part Number|PartNumber]]s to be more a part of the title than [[Extra Title Information|ExtraTitleInformation]], they are special. |
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Imho this old style guideline needs to be extended. I have several issues which are to be discussed: On [http://musicbrainz.org/album/3b27a16a-1016-4cf9-9c10-51bd0cbf5e8d.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/3b27a16a-1016-4cf9-9c10-51bd0cbf5e8d.html] you can see I applied the "," style also to the prologue as it is also a "part" of "The Embrace That Smothers". What you can also see here: just like it's written on the cover the items of the title are grouped "Part title (Group title, Part X)". I though applied another style on Symphony X as the titles as they were directly led to this: see album [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=51058 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=51058] - I there changed from "A Winter's Dream - The Ascension (Part II)" to "A Winter's Dream, Part II: The Ascension". So here (mostly derived from the cover) the style is "Group title, Part X: Part title" which I prefer more but I think we could just stick to the cover. Nevertheless part titles are not yet included in this guideline and need to be standardized. Maybe we can stick to the classical rules here. :) |
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Another flaw is the first sentence in this guideline: "Applies to songs that have been split across multiple tracks." This is not always the case! Look at [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=185132 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=185132] - the last song has no more parts, all of them are in one track but yet it includes parts! Or take Dream Theater's album "Metropolis, Part 2: Scenes From a Memory" - there was no album 1 but a track "Metropolis, Part I: The Miracle and the Sleeper" though we intuitive apply PartNumberStyle. Ok this could be explained with [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]] but imho the whole thing needs to be more formalized. |
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-- [[User:Shepard|Shepard]] |
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