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=Style for PartNumbers=
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When a track is one of a series of identically named tracks with a defined order, separate the [[Part Number|part number]] from the [[Track Title|track title]] by a comma and a space.
  
[[Image:Alert.png]] '''Attention!''' ''This guideline is specific to Part numbering. General rules for appending numbering to a title are found in [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]].''  
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'''When a track is one of a series of identically named tracks with a defined order, separate the [[Part Number|PartNumber]] from the [[Track Title|TrackTitle]] by a comma and a space.'''
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This guideline is a specification of the more general [[Series Number Style|series number style]]. See that page for principles (especially in which cases [[Artist Intent|artist intent]] overrides this guideline).  
 
 
'''"Track<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>Title, Part 1"'''
 
 
 
'''"Track<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>Title, Part 1: Part<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>Name"'''
 
 
 
This guideline is a specification of the more general [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]]. See that page for principles (especially in which cases [[Artist Intent|ArtistIntent]] overrides this guideline).  
 
  
 
Alternative names for parts may be used, such as Section, or their non-English equivalents.  
 
Alternative names for parts may be used, such as Section, or their non-English equivalents.  
* Note that if the title of a track is just "''Part 1''" or similar then this guideline should not apply, because then "''Part 1''" is considered being the [[Main Title|MainTitle]] of the track and not the [[Part Number|PartNumber]].  
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* Note that if the title of a track is just "''Part 1''" or similar then this guideline should not apply, because then "''Part 1''" is considered being the [[Main Title|main title]] of the track and not the [[Part Number|part number]].  
* Also note that the [[Abbreviation Style|AbbreviationStyle]] says that you should not use abbreviations in titles. So "Pt." should always be expanded to "Part" (assuming the [[Release Language|ReleaseLanguage]] is English).  
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* Also note that the [[Abbreviation Style|abbreviation style]] says that you should not use abbreviations in titles. So "Pt." should always be expanded to "Part" (assuming the [[Release Language|release language]] is English).  
* Also note that the [[Part Name|PartName]] must be formatted according to [[Subtitle Style|SubTitleStyle]].
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* Also note that the [[Part Name|part name]] must be formatted according to [[Subtitle Style|subtitle style]].  
 
 
==Example==
 
 
 
"''[[Track:36bd10fa-3214-4876-ab75-55b59f31606d|Flares, Part 3]]''"
 
 
 
"''[[Track:9a414931-0cb3-48ec-861e-0c4c344199c5|09-15-00, Part One]]''"
 
 
 
"''[[Track:d5590ff3-51d4-44db-89c6-0a2372524199|Creepin', Parts 1 & 2]]''" -- Two numbers are noted using an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form.  
 
  
"''[[Track:fdd06153-56d0-420d-9130-8103723b2989|Train to Lamy Suite, Parts 1 - 3]]''" -- More than 2 numbers, which are in sequence are separated by a hyphen "-", the part indication in its plural form.
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==Examples==
  
"'''''This Is a Trackname, Parts 1, 4 & 5'''''" -- More than 2 numbers, which are *not* in sequence are separated by a comma "," and the last one is added with an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form.  
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* "''[[Track:36bd10fa-3214-4876-ab75-55b59f31606d|Flares, Part 3]]''"
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* "''[[Track:9a414931-0cb3-48ec-861e-0c4c344199c5|09-15-00, Part One]]''"
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* "''[[Track:d5590ff3-51d4-44db-89c6-0a2372524199|Creepin', Parts 1 & 2]]''" -- Two numbers are noted using an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form.
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* "''[[Track:fdd06153-56d0-420d-9130-8103723b2989|Train to Lamy Suite, Parts 1 - 3]]''" -- More than 2 numbers, which are in sequence are separated by a hyphen "-", the part indication in its plural form.
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* "''This Is a Trackname, Parts 1, 4 & 5''" -- More than 2 numbers, which are *not* in sequence are separated by a comma "," and the last one is added with an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form.  
  
 
==Details==
 
==Details==
  
Using [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]] and [[Part Number|PartNumber]] Style, here are some examples of how various part numbers should appear:  
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Using [[Series Number Style|series number style]] and part number style, here are some examples of how various part numbers should appear:  
 
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Please see [[Series Number Style|series number style]] for more details.  
 
 
==Discussion==
 
 
 
I have releases where the first part of the track series has no part number, despite a second part existing. In this case I think we should leave that numberless, as it could be considered the 'original' or 'main' version of the song. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
 
 
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'''Q:''' What if a track "Some Trackname (Pt. 1)" is featured with the said title on a compilation? Should it stick to the formatting as it were in sequence with the other parts of the series, e.g. "Some Trackname, Part 1"?  I'm in favor of applying PartNumberStyle to all track names which have some notation of Pt, Pts and other variants. --[[User:Keschte|Keschte]]
 
 
 
'''A:''' I believe that's the thing to do - I think tracks that intentionally have these abbreviations (for whatever reason) are a rare occurrence. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
 
 
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'''Q:''' Should stuff not be added to [[Track Title|TrackTitle]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s in parentheses, like in [[Track Attributes Style|TrackAttributesStyle]] and [[Remix Style|RemixStyle]]?
 
 
 
'''A:''' As long as it is consistent, use the format the artist uses. Parts are almost always shown with a preceding comma on tracklistings, rather than track attributes (e.g. mix names). Also, we consider [[Part Number|PartNumber]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s to be more a part of the title than [[Extra Title Information Style|ExtraTitleInformation]], they are special.
 
 
 
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Yet another question :) What about tracks which combine different parts where every part has a name? See for example Angra's [http://musicbrainz.org/album/fe2c6b19-da36-4fad-8344-0699e9b79a1f.html Rebirth] and its entry in [http://www.discogs.com/release/423974 Discogs] (they do this in comments). Often we seem to leave those parts out as they make the title to long and the part names are often not mentioned on the cover but only in the lyrics. But on this [http://www.cover-paradies.to/?fCall=ShowImage&vId=25306&vType=Back cover] for example there are part names (not with the word "Part"). [http://www.discogs.com/release/389996 Discogs] does this as before, in our [http://musicbrainz.org/album/8e535921-a078-4564-ab70-dd3966f67fdf.html release entry] it is not mentioned at the moment. I really think we need to adopt more style guidelines from the classical guide. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I don't think this guideline should cover this really. This is just for dealing with part numbers of separate tracks. For that example I would like to see it as something like "Unholy Wars: Imperial Crown / Forgiven Return". I seem to remember that being suggested back in the [[Style Dude|StyleDude]] days but there doesn't seem to be anything concrete in place. Anyway it's for another page :) --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]  
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">No, sorry, but I don't see any reason to drop the word "Part" where it is on the cover (for the first release I mentioned: [http://www.cover-paradies.to/?fCall=ShowImage&vId=25312&vType=Back http://www.cover-paradies.to/?fCall=ShowImage&vId=25312&vType=Back]) so this is to be covered by this guideline. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Sorry, misunderstood you when you said "not with the word "Part"" :) In that case, I think we should extend the guideline to cover examples like this with: "[[Track Title|TrackTitle]], Parts 1: [[Part Name|PartName]] & 2: [[Part Name|PartName]]". Agreed? --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
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Sentence "Applies to songs that have been split across multiple tracks." should go, because it contradicts the rest of the document. Opinions? --[[User:Zout|Zout]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">For it. Or at least reformulate it. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Agreed, and done. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">But I still disagree :( Again: the last track on [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=185132 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=185132] only has those 3 parts so there are no other tracks that belong to this series. Also it does not say that this track can contain several parts of the series. I'd say: "If a track covers one (or several) part(s) of a work which is splitted to several parts ..." or something like that. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I think with that, the title *implies* there's more parts to the series, regardless of whether they have ever been recorded or not. If not, then it's just a stylistic title and as such doesn't really come under this rule I think. Regardless, I think this is an exceptional case and I'd rather we didn't compromise the integrity of the rule that applies to 99% of cases. We can't cover every eventuality really. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">A stylistic title would not come under the rule? So I should write it like it's on the cover? That would be very inconsistent. Another example: [http://musicbrainz.org/album/94d1641f-7c5a-4e11-acaa-2654f57986a4.html http://musicbrainz.org/album/94d1641f-7c5a-4e11-acaa-2654f57986a4.html] - see: it's not an exceptional case. And not an eventuality. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">If you can think of a way to incorporate this into the guideline without confusing things then be my guest. Personally, I can't, and I'd like to go with a simple (hah!) set of rules to cover most things, and let common sense prevail over the rest. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
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What about when separate parts are labelled not as numbers, but as letters on the sleeve? Do we use "Part X", "X)", or "part x", or some variant?  "[[Release:39eebdcc-e8bf-4cf3-bd22-49c3dd7e4c93|Daydream Nation]]" --[[Arty Smokes|ArtySmokes]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">As per [[Series Number Style|SeriesNumberStyle]], any alternative numbering scheme is fine. Please [[Delete When Cooked|DeleteWhenCooked]] --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Any recommendation on the case of the lettering? I believe it to be lower-case on the Sonic Youth sleeve. --[[Arty Smokes|ArtySmokes]]
 
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">it's uppercase on mine so i guess it should stay like that unless there's an inconsistancy, in which case i'd probably favour lowercase as it's more 'standard'. --[[User:Gecks|Gecks]]
 
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===Spacing ranges===
 
 
 
I've spaced out "1-3" into "1 - 3" in the single example using a range.  This works, sortof, for parts using arabic numbering.  However, it breaks on just about anything else:
 
 
 
However, this breaks on anything but that one numbering scheme, or at least, makes the result more comfusing to read / invalid grammar syntax:
 
 
 
Train to Lamy Suite, Parts One-Two<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts I-II<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts A1-A2<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts I-1-I-2<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts A1a-A1b, A1c<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts I,II-III<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts Twenty-One-Twenty-Two<br/> etc
 
 
 
Contrast that with:
 
 
 
Train to Lamy Suite, Parts One - Two<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts I - II<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts A1 - A2<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts I-1 - I-2<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts A1a - A1b, A1c<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts I , II - III<br/> Train to Lamy Suite, Parts Twenty-One - Twenty-Two<br/>
 
 
 
Especially in cases 4, 6, and 7 above, it makes the output more comprehensible.  In cases 1 and 7, it makes the grammar valid.  In case 2, it makes the Roman numeral range valid.  Additionally, we already space & - we use "1 & 2", not "1&2". Why should ranges be any different? - @SIG
 
 
 
 
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Revision as of 16:17, 15 March 2009

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Status: This is an official style guideline.

When a track is one of a series of identically named tracks with a defined order, separate the part number from the track title by a comma and a space.

"TrackTitle, Part 1"
"TrackTitle, Part 1: PartName"

This guideline is a specification of the more general series number style. See that page for principles (especially in which cases artist intent overrides this guideline).

Alternative names for parts may be used, such as Section, or their non-English equivalents.

  • Note that if the title of a track is just "Part 1" or similar then this guideline should not apply, because then "Part 1" is considered being the main title of the track and not the part number.
  • Also note that the abbreviation style says that you should not use abbreviations in titles. So "Pt." should always be expanded to "Part" (assuming the release language is English).
  • Also note that the part name must be formatted according to subtitle style.

Examples

  • "Flares, Part 3"
  • "09-15-00, Part One"
  • "Creepin', Parts 1 & 2" -- Two numbers are noted using an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form.
  • "Train to Lamy Suite, Parts 1 - 3" -- More than 2 numbers, which are in sequence are separated by a hyphen "-", the part indication in its plural form.
  • "This Is a Trackname, Parts 1, 4 & 5" -- More than 2 numbers, which are *not* in sequence are separated by a comma "," and the last one is added with an ampersand "&", the part indication in its plural form.

Details

Using series number style and part number style, here are some examples of how various part numbers should appear:

Part 1 Part 1a Part A1 Part A1a Part A Part I Part One
Parts 1 & 2 Parts 1a & 2a Parts A1 & A2 Parts A1a & A1b Parts A & B Parts I & II Parts One & Two
Parts 1 - 3 Parts 1a - 3a Parts A1 - A3 Parts A1a - A1c Parts A - C Parts I - III Parts One - Three
Parts 1 & 3 Parts 1a & 3a Parts A1 & A3 Parts A1a & A3a Parts A & C Parts I & III Parts One & Three
Parts 1 - 3, 5 Parts 1a - 3a, 5a Parts A1 - A3, A5 Parts A1a - A1c, A3a Parts A - C, E Parts I - III, V Parts One - Three, Five
Parts 1, 3 - 4 Parts 1a, 3a - 4a Parts A1, A3 - A4 Parts A1a, A3a - A3c Parts A, C - D Parts I, III - IV Parts One, Three - Four
Parts 1, 3 & 4 Parts 1a, 3a & 4a Parts A1, A3 & A4 Parts A1a, A3a & A4a Parts A, C & D Parts I, III & IV Parts One, Three & Four

Please see series number style for more details.