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=Style for separate parts of an album title=
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'''Use a colon (:) to separate multi-line PartsOfATitle for albums.'''
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'''If there is an alternative dividing punctuation mark such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point [[Image:Idea.png]],''' '''use that mark instead of the colon.'''
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This is an [[Official Style Guideline|OfficialStyleGuideline]].
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==Example==
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Take an example from Etta James: 
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">''Tell Mama: The Complete Muscle Shoals Sessions''
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Or from Faith No More:
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">''Who Cares a Lot? Greatest Hits''
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</ul>
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Or from Spock's Beard:
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">''Don't Try This @ Home Either! From the Vaults, Series 3''
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==Rationale==
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The covers of CDs and LPs are generally full color printed squares. This allows designers to use text color, position and size to indicate what is a title or subtitle. Converting that to a single line of text for display on your iPod or in [[WinAmp]] requires adding something to separate or differentiate the different parts of the title. Various people have come up with different solutions to this e.g. put the subtitle in brackets, square brackets, after a comma, a dash etc. Eventually the [[MusicBrainz]] database will be able to support sub-titles as a field in their own right and this will allow the user to choose how to display them (even giving them the option to ignore them completely) but until then we needed an agreed format to standardise on.
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Note 
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==Discussion==
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It is acceptable to use the colon to seperate extra sub-titles, i.e.:
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Bug Swamp: The Complete Bug Hits: 1987-1990 (fictional title). --[[User:TarragonAllen|TarragonAllen]]
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Please note this is only a guideline for use on [[Album Title|AlbumTitle]]s and not for general use on all titles. Additionally, it only applies to multi-line titles. --[[User:TarragonAllen|TarragonAllen]]
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So what guideline applies to [[Track Title|TrackTitle]]s? IIRC works and parts of works (like movements in symphonies) can be separated by colons according to the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]]. So it seems to me that the guideline ''separate [[Subtitle|SubTitle]]s by a colon (:)'' is somewhat of a [[General Syle Principle|GeneralSylePrinciple]]. I would prefer to say that applying this principle to [[Track Title|TrackTitle]]s is a bit more tricky, and that people should look at the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] for this. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
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Please, can we rename this to SubTitleStyle? There are two guidelines dealing with separate titles: the [[Multiple Title Style|MultipleTitleStyle]] and this one. [[Multiple Title Style|MultipleTitleStyle]] deals with several ''equal'' titles, which are divided by " / " and this one deals with ''subordinate'' titles wich are separated by colons. Therefore ''sub''-title is the correct term. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]]
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What about combinations of this and [[Multiple Title Style|MultipleTitleStyle]]? I.e. a song has not only one [[Subtitle|SubTitle]] but several [[Subtitle|SubTitle]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s. Often you see track listings like this: <pre>MainTitle:
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I. SubTitle
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II. SubTitle</pre>
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or even with parts: <pre>MainTitle:
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Part I - SubTitle
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Part II - SubTitle</pre>
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I propose (and hope this is finally the correct place for this) "[[Main Title|MainTitle]]: I. [[Subtitle|SubTitle]] / II. [[Subtitle|SubTitle]]" for the first and "[[Main Title|MainTitle]]: Part I: [[Subtitle|SubTitle]] / Part II: [[Subtitle|SubTitle]]" for the second one according to [[Part Number Style|PartNumberStyle]]. And of course also other numbering schemas can be used like "a) ... / b) ... / c) ...". --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]]
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Authors: Original by [[Neil Cafferky|NeilCafferky]] (based on IRC and mailing list discussion), re-written for the wiki by [[User:TarragonAllen|TarragonAllen]] with help from [[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]], and an example contributed by derGraph.
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[[Category:To Be Reviewed]] [[Category:Style]] [[Category:Official Style]]

Revision as of 15:21, 26 October 2005

Style for separate parts of an album title

Use a colon (:) to separate multi-line PartsOfATitle for albums.

If there is an alternative dividing punctuation mark such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point Idea.png, use that mark instead of the colon.

Example

Take an example from Etta James:

  • Tell Mama: The Complete Muscle Shoals Sessions

Or from Faith No More:

  • Who Cares a Lot? Greatest Hits

Or from Spock's Beard:

  • Don't Try This @ Home Either! From the Vaults, Series 3

Rationale

The covers of CDs and LPs are generally full color printed squares. This allows designers to use text color, position and size to indicate what is a title or subtitle. Converting that to a single line of text for display on your iPod or in WinAmp requires adding something to separate or differentiate the different parts of the title. Various people have come up with different solutions to this e.g. put the subtitle in brackets, square brackets, after a comma, a dash etc. Eventually the MusicBrainz database will be able to support sub-titles as a field in their own right and this will allow the user to choose how to display them (even giving them the option to ignore them completely) but until then we needed an agreed format to standardise on.

Note

Discussion

It is acceptable to use the colon to seperate extra sub-titles, i.e.:

Bug Swamp: The Complete Bug Hits: 1987-1990 (fictional title). --TarragonAllen



Please note this is only a guideline for use on AlbumTitles and not for general use on all titles. Additionally, it only applies to multi-line titles. --TarragonAllen

So what guideline applies to TrackTitles? IIRC works and parts of works (like movements in symphonies) can be separated by colons according to the ClassicalStyleGuide. So it seems to me that the guideline separate SubTitles by a colon (:) is somewhat of a GeneralSylePrinciple. I would prefer to say that applying this principle to TrackTitles is a bit more tricky, and that people should look at the ClassicalStyleGuide for this. --DonRedman



Please, can we rename this to SubTitleStyle? There are two guidelines dealing with separate titles: the MultipleTitleStyle and this one. MultipleTitleStyle deals with several equal titles, which are divided by " / " and this one deals with subordinate titles wich are separated by colons. Therefore sub-title is the correct term. --DonRedman



What about combinations of this and MultipleTitleStyle? I.e. a song has not only one SubTitle but several SubTitles. Often you see track listings like this:

MainTitle: 
I. SubTitle
II. SubTitle

or even with parts:

MainTitle: 
Part I - SubTitle
Part II - SubTitle

I propose (and hope this is finally the correct place for this) "MainTitle: I. SubTitle / II. SubTitle" for the first and "MainTitle: Part I: SubTitle / Part II: SubTitle" for the second one according to PartNumberStyle. And of course also other numbering schemas can be used like "a) ... / b) ... / c) ...". --Shepard


Authors: Original by NeilCafferky (based on IRC and mailing list discussion), re-written for the wiki by TarragonAllen with help from DonRedman, and an example contributed by derGraph.