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There has been some discussion on musicbrainz-style surrounding the issue of ARs having different meaning at release level to track level.  A consensus seems to be forming that Artist-Release ARs should be used when we have knowledge about an artist's contribution to a release but aren't able to identify the specific tracks to which that contribution applies.  It has become clear however that some ARs have a distinct meaning at release level compared to track level, so there is a conflict between a release-level AR applying at that level because it actually applies to the release, or because it applies to an unknown subset of the tracks on the release.   
 
There has been some discussion on musicbrainz-style surrounding the issue of ARs having different meaning at release level to track level.  A consensus seems to be forming that Artist-Release ARs should be used when we have knowledge about an artist's contribution to a release but aren't able to identify the specific tracks to which that contribution applies.  It has become clear however that some ARs have a distinct meaning at release level compared to track level, so there is a conflict between a release-level AR applying at that level because it actually applies to the release, or because it applies to an unknown subset of the tracks on the release.   
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The following table enumerates the AR hierarchy for artist-track/release ARs and assigns types to each of the possible ARs. Note that there is a small variation between the AR list for artist-track and artist-release ARs - specifically "wrote the libretto" doesn't apply to tracks, "produced material that was sampled in" includes the instrument tree for tracks but not releases and "had tribute album" only applies to releases.   
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The following tables enumerate the AR hierarchy for track/release ARs and assigns types to each of the possible ARs.  
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==Artist to Track/Release==
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Note that there is a small variation between the AR list for artist-track and artist-release ARs - specifically "wrote the libretto" doesn't apply to tracks, "produced material that was sampled in" includes the instrument tree for tracks but not releases and "had tribute album" only applies to releases.   
 
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| <code><nowiki>        wrote {additional} liner notes for  </nowiki></code> || Y || Y || 3
 
| <code><nowiki>        wrote {additional} liner notes for  </nowiki></code> || Y || Y || 3
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==Release to Release/Track==
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Most of these have equivalents as Track-Track ARs, but are invalid as Track-Release or Release-Track ARs, so I consider them type 2 ARs for the purposes of this discussion rather than type 3. 
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| '''Advanced Relationship''' || '''Release''' || '''Release''' || '''Type''' || '''Note'''
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| <code><nowiki>  compilations  </nowiki></code> ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is a DJ-mix of  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2 || Has equivalent track-track AR
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| <code><nowiki>  covers or other versions  </nowiki></code> ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is the earliest release of  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2 || Has equivalent track-track AR
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| <code><nowiki>      is a live performance of  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2
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| <code><nowiki>      is a remaster of  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2 || Has equivalent track-track AR
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| <code><nowiki>      is a cover of  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2 || Has equivalent track-track AR
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| <code><nowiki>      is the original for the transl{iter}ated track listing  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2
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| <code><nowiki>  remixes  </nowiki></code> ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is a remix of  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2
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| <code><nowiki>      is a mash-up of  </nowiki></code> || Y ||  || 2
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| <code><nowiki>  has/had {additional} {instrument} samples taken from</nowiki></code> ||  || Y || 1
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==Track to Track==
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Most of these have equivalents as Release-Release ARs, but are invalid as Track-Release or Release-Track ARs, so I consider them type 1 ARs for the purposes of this discussion rather than type 3. 
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| <code><nowiki>  compilations  </nowiki></code> ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is a DJ-mix of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 || Has equivalent release-release AR
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| <code><nowiki>      is a compilation of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is a medley of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 ||
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| <code><nowiki>  covers or other versions  </nowiki></code> ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is the earliest release of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 || Has equivalent release-release AR
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| <code><nowiki>      is a remaster of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 || Has equivalent release-release AR
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| <code><nowiki>      is the earliest version of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is a cover of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 || Has equivalent release-release AR
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| <code><nowiki>  remixes  </nowiki></code> ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is a remix of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 || Has equivalent release-release AR
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| <code><nowiki>      contains {additional} samples from  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 ||
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| <code><nowiki>      is a mash-up of  </nowiki></code> || Y || 1 ||
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==Label to Release/Track==
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My sense is this is type 1, but can anyone give an example where to publish a release might have a different meaning than to publish some or all of the tracks on a release?  If so, type 3. 
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| <code><nowiki>  published</nowiki></code> || Y || Y || 1
 
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Revision as of 18:41, 4 January 2008

Barry Platt

IRC: bplatt | Wiki: BarryPlatt ]

MusicBrainz editor based in Cambridge, UK, with interests in a variety of areas including soundtracks.



Track/Release Advanced Relationship Types

There has been some discussion on musicbrainz-style surrounding the issue of ARs having different meaning at release level to track level. A consensus seems to be forming that Artist-Release ARs should be used when we have knowledge about an artist's contribution to a release but aren't able to identify the specific tracks to which that contribution applies. It has become clear however that some ARs have a distinct meaning at release level compared to track level, so there is a conflict between a release-level AR applying at that level because it actually applies to the release, or because it applies to an unknown subset of the tracks on the release.

BrianFreud has categorized the ARs into three types, defined as:

Type 1
Some ARs apply best at only the track level, if there's solid info to support that it does apply to that specific track, but end up in release-level ARs as "fuzzy" data when the specific track(s) are unable to be (yet) identified.
Type 2
Some ARs apply only at the release level, and not to any track, and are not ever "fuzzy" at this level.
Type 3
Some ARs can apply at either level - photography, liner notes, production, etc.

The following tables enumerate the AR hierarchy for track/release ARs and assigns types to each of the possible ARs.

Artist to Track/Release

Note that there is a small variation between the AR list for artist-track and artist-release ARs - specifically "wrote the libretto" doesn't apply to tracks, "produced material that was sampled in" includes the instrument tree for tracks but not releases and "had tribute album" only applies to releases.

Advanced Relationship Release Track Type Note
compilations An album compilation is different to a track compilation
compiled Y Y 3
DJ-mixed Y Y 3
performance
{additionally} {guest} performed Y Y 1
performed {additional} {guest} {instrument} on Y Y 1
performed {additional} {guest} {vocal} vocal on Y Y 1
{orchestra} orchestra {additionally} performed Y Y 1
{additionally} conducted Y Y 1
performed {additional} chorus master on Y Y 1
has tribute album(s) Y 2
remixes
{additionally} remixed Y Y 1
produced material that was {additionally} sampled in Y 2 If this, and the following, were combined I'd suggest they would be Type 1
produced {instrument} material that was {additionally} sampled in Y 1
composition
{additionally} composed Y Y 1
{additionally} wrote the libretto for Y 1
{additionally} arranged {instrument on} Y Y 1
provided {additional} {instrument} instrumentation for Y Y 1
{additionally} orchestrated Y Y 1
{additionally} wrote the lyrics for Y Y 1
production
{additionally} {co-}{executive }produced Y Y 3 Production on a release isn't the same as production on a track
{additionally} {co-}{executive }engineered Y Y 3 Engineering on a release isn't the same as engineering on a track
{additionally} audio engineered Y Y 3
{additionally} mastered Y Y 3
{additionally} sound engineered Y Y 3
{additionally} live sound engineered Y Y 3
{additionally} {co-}mixed Y Y 3
{additionally} recorded Y Y 3
{additionally} programmed {instrument on} Y Y 1 I have a sense this might be better in the performance tree
{additionally} edited Y Y 3
has a miscellaneous role on Y Y 3 These are edge cases, conceivably any of them could apply at either level
provided legal representation for Y Y 3
provided booking for Y Y 3
provided artist & repertoire support for Y Y 3
provided {additional} creative direction on Y Y 3
provided {additional} art direction on Y Y 3
provided {additional} design/illustration on Y Y 3
provided {additional} graphic design on Y Y 3
provided {additional} photography on Y Y 3
provided travel arrangements for Y Y 3
published Y Y 1
provided merchandising for Y Y 3
wrote {additional} liner notes for Y Y 3

Release to Release/Track

Most of these have equivalents as Track-Track ARs, but are invalid as Track-Release or Release-Track ARs, so I consider them type 2 ARs for the purposes of this discussion rather than type 3.

Advanced Relationship Release Release Type Note
compilations
is a DJ-mix of Y 2 Has equivalent track-track AR
covers or other versions
is the earliest release of Y 2 Has equivalent track-track AR
is a live performance of Y 2
is a remaster of Y 2 Has equivalent track-track AR
is a cover of Y 2 Has equivalent track-track AR
is the original for the transl{iter}ated track listing Y 2
remixes
is a remix of Y 2
is a mash-up of Y 2
has/had {additional} {instrument} samples taken from Y 1

Track to Track

Most of these have equivalents as Release-Release ARs, but are invalid as Track-Release or Release-Track ARs, so I consider them type 1 ARs for the purposes of this discussion rather than type 3.

Advanced Relationship Track Type Note
compilations
is a DJ-mix of Y 1 Has equivalent release-release AR
is a compilation of Y 1
is a medley of Y 1
covers or other versions
is the earliest release of Y 1 Has equivalent release-release AR
is a remaster of Y 1 Has equivalent release-release AR
is the earliest version of Y 1
is a cover of Y 1 Has equivalent release-release AR
remixes
is a remix of Y 1 Has equivalent release-release AR
contains {additional} samples from Y 1
is a mash-up of Y 1

Label to Release/Track

My sense is this is type 1, but can anyone give an example where to publish a release might have a different meaning than to publish some or all of the tracks on a release? If so, type 3.

Advanced Relationship Release Track Type Note
published Y Y 1

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