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edition types: (physical) format
== Edition format types ==




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should we make a distinction between sewn(ie hardback) and glued (ie boardbook)
should we make a distinction between sewn(ie hardback) and glued (ie boardbook)


Here are the [https://web.archive.org/web/20200805155626/https://books.discogs.com/guidelines/book Bookogs guidelines] where definitions of most of these formats can be found.




{| class="wikitable"

|+ Formats
format old
|-
----------------------------+-------
! Format
Manuscript | traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc, copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)
! Description
|-
! Old
|-
| Manuscript
| traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc, copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)
it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll
it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll
the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then.
the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then.
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Manuscript seems a very broad general, perhaps more suitable as a tag than a type of format, given that
Manuscript seems a very broad general, perhaps more suitable as a tag than a type of format, given that
manuscripts can *be* other types "...may be a codex or a scroll"
manuscripts can *be* other types "...may be a codex or a scroll"
|-

stone/clay/wood tablet | my addition
| stone/clay/wood tablet
scroll/parchment | my addition
| my addition
|-
Codex | historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
| scroll/parchment
Incunable | medieval books, written by hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
| my addition
Post-Incunable | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
|-
Broadside | ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
| Codex
Chapbook | small paper-covered booklets
| historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
Facsimile | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases
|-

| Incunable

| Early printed books (before the 16th century) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable

|-

| Post-Incunable
format kids/interactive
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
----------------------------+-------
|-
Board Book | kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
| Broadside
Padded Baby Book | distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
| ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)

|-
Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book) | interestings, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc.
| Chapbook
hell I even own greeting-cards that are somewhat like this.
| small paper-covered booklets

|-

| Facsimile

| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases
format multiple media
|-
----------------------------+-------
! kids/interactive

|-
my gut instinct here is to a) link it to mb, b) each "type of medium" is "It's Own Thing"™ so we need no "combo format". if we eventually have "types of audio format" and "multi medium editions" as on mb, this solves itself.
| Board Book
For now, I think we ignore "additional (non-book) things attached to editions", and leave that info for annotations.
| kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".

|-
Paperback + Flexi-Disc | 15
Paperback + CD | 303
| Padded Baby Book
| distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
Hardback + CD | 307
|-
Paperback + Cassette | 23
| Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book)
| interesting, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc. Hell I even own greeting-cards that are somewhat like this.

|-
format no idea
! multiple media
----------------------------+-------
|-
Box Set | sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
| colspan="2" | my gut instinct here is to a) link it to mb, b) each "type of medium" is "It's Own Thing"™ so we need no "combo format". if we eventually have "types of audio format" and "multi medium editions" as on mb, this solves itself. For now, I think we ignore "additional (non-book) things attached to editions", and leave that info for annotations.
Stamped/Die Cut Stories | ?
|-
Club Edition | club edition is what?
| Paperback + Flexi-Disc
Flexibound | ?
| 15
Promo | in what way?
|-
Journal | what is this? unclear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
BARD Cartridge | ?????
| Paperback + CD
| 303
Sheet Music | in what way? seems more a "genre"
|-
Monograph | seems to be not a physical "format"
Soundbook | how is diff from electronic/audiobook? what is it?
| Hardback + CD
| 307

|-

| Paperback + Cassette
format conventional "book"
| 23
----------------------------+-------
|-
acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
! no idea

|-
Paperback | also known as a softcover or softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
Mass-Market Paperback |
| Box Set
| sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
Trade Paperback |
|-
Softcover | same as paperback? (I'd prefer this term as an analogue to "hardcover")
| Stamped/Die Cut Stories
Pocket book | literally the same as "paperback"in eng., norwegian makes a distinction between "pocketbook" and Paperback but then goes on to describe them identically. english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_edition doesn't really add any clarification either, imho.
| Die-cutting is a printing process for cutting shapes in a material. It allows publishers to insert a 'window' into a book's dust jacket, or a page or pages, or even a slipcase. [https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/21789296890_4.jpg example]

|-
Hardback | bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
| Club Edition
Hardcover | wp makes no distinction between Hback and hcover, infact redirects this to the other.
| Also known as Book Club Edition (BCE) or Book of the Month Club Edition (BOMC). Printed by a “book club”, usually with cheaper materials than the original publisher. Generally not priced, may have a blank box where barcode usually appears. The name of the book club can often be found on the copyright page.
oversized hardback | imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to fogure out and select for users.)
|-
Oversized Hardcover | as above
| Flexibound

| A “flexibound” binding is a flexible cover that is thicker than a typical paperback and extends beyond the page edges. It is intermediate between the traditional “paperback” and “hardcover” styles, and many sellers simply list it as one of those categories, causing some confusion.
Miniature book | just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
|-
Spiralbound | we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.
| Promo

| Used for promotional material, like guides, flyers, pre-publication samplers.

|-
format conventional "magazine"
| Journal
----------------------------+-------
| A periodical or magazine based around a specific topic, could be academic, medical, etc.
Magazine | periodical publication (high gloss paper) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine
Bedsheet Magazine | just a special US size of magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsheet
Not to be confused with a diary style of journal (this would be a genre rather than format). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
|-
Pulp Magazine | perhaps to magazines what softbacks are to hardcovers? (seems more genre-y though)
| BARD Cartridge
Zine | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine or perhaps just "doujinshi" as a term. however how different from "magazine" is it?
| Abbreviation of Braille and Audio Reading Download service. Digital audio recording of books that can be transferred to a USB cartridge and played on a Digital Talking Book Machine (DTMB).
Digest | size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
|-
Pamphlet | booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
| Sheet Music
newspaper | fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.)
| Handwritten or printed musical notation that uses musical symbols to indicate the pitches (melodies), rhythms or chords of a song or instrumental musical piece. Does this deserve to be a separate physical format?

|-

| Monograph

| seems to be not a physical "format"
format electronic/other
|-
----------------------------+-------
| Soundbook
Audiobook | Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?)
| A children’s book with buttons that make sound effects when pressed. Not to be confused with audiobook.
Printing/Uncorrected Proof | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof
|-
Loose-leaf/Binder | ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
! conventional "book"
Digital | are the following really different "formats"?:
|-
eZine/e-Zine |
| colspan="2" | acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
e-Book |
|-

Other | always there is need for "other" :D
| Softcover
| also known as softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)

|-
| -> Mass-Market Paperback
| Also know as "Pocket book"
|-
| -> Trade Paperback
|-
| -> Pocket book
| = Mass Market Paperback.
|-
| Hardcover or Hardback
| bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
|-
| oversized hardback
| imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to figure out and select for users.)
|-
| Oversized Hardcover
| as above
|-
| Miniature book
| just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
|-
| Spiralbound
| we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.
|-
! conventional "magazine"
|-
| Magazine
| periodical publication (high gloss paper) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine
|-
| Bedsheet Magazine
| just a special US size of magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsheet
|-
| Pulp Magazine
| perhaps to magazines what softbacks are to hardcovers? (seems more genre-y though)
|-
| Zine
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine or perhaps just "doujinshi" as a term. however how different from "magazine" is it?
|-
| Digest
| size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
|-
| Pamphlet
| booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
|-
| Newspaper
| fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.) (mine too —Monkey)
|-
! Electronic/other
|-
| Audiobook
| Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?) (I agree we should recommend to enter details in MB instead and link to it —Monkey)
|-
| Printing/Uncorrected Proof
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof A copy of a book release prior to official publication that needs to be reviewed for errors and corrections. Generally very plainly bound, and distributed only for final editing or promotion.
|-
| Loose-leaf/Binder
| ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
|-
| Digital
| are the following really different "formats"?:
|-
| -> eZine/e-Zine
|-
| -> e-Book
|-
| Other
| always there is need for "other" :D
|}




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finally, what to do with tactiles, ie braille books?
finally, what to do with tactiles, ie braille books?
gut instinct tells me this should be a separate category.
gut instinct tells me this should be a separate category.
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Latest revision as of 07:39, 25 March 2024



Edition format types

These could be topmost,. then possibly we can have sub-options or similar, so that something like "pocketbook" or "softback" are subs of paperback, meaning that if you do not know it is better to chose paperback and be less specific, than to chose pocket and be wrong.

Suggestions?


  • hardback (glued/sewn, paper/vellum?)
  • paperback
  • spiralbound
  • booklet/magazine/digest (it may have a spine)
  • paper/newspaper/pamphlet (any distinction between glossy/non glossy?)
  • audiobook (physical or digital)
  • scroll/parchment
  • stone/clay tablet
  • non-bound/unregular/loose pages
  • other

should we make a distinction between sewn(ie hardback) and glued (ie boardbook)

Here are the Bookogs guidelines where definitions of most of these formats can be found.


Formats
Format Description
Old
Manuscript traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc, copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)

it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then. paper, vellum, papyrus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuscript Manuscript seems a very broad general, perhaps more suitable as a tag than a type of format, given that manuscripts can *be* other types "...may be a codex or a scroll"

stone/clay/wood tablet my addition
scroll/parchment my addition
Codex historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
Incunable Early printed books (before the 16th century) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
Post-Incunable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
Broadside ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
Chapbook small paper-covered booklets
Facsimile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases
kids/interactive
Board Book kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
Padded Baby Book distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book) interesting, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc. Hell I even own greeting-cards that are somewhat like this.
multiple media
my gut instinct here is to a) link it to mb, b) each "type of medium" is "It's Own Thing"™ so we need no "combo format". if we eventually have "types of audio format" and "multi medium editions" as on mb, this solves itself. For now, I think we ignore "additional (non-book) things attached to editions", and leave that info for annotations.
Paperback + Flexi-Disc 15
Paperback + CD 303
Hardback + CD 307
Paperback + Cassette 23
no idea
Box Set sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
Stamped/Die Cut Stories Die-cutting is a printing process for cutting shapes in a material. It allows publishers to insert a 'window' into a book's dust jacket, or a page or pages, or even a slipcase. example
Club Edition Also known as Book Club Edition (BCE) or Book of the Month Club Edition (BOMC). Printed by a “book club”, usually with cheaper materials than the original publisher. Generally not priced, may have a blank box where barcode usually appears. The name of the book club can often be found on the copyright page.
Flexibound A “flexibound” binding is a flexible cover that is thicker than a typical paperback and extends beyond the page edges. It is intermediate between the traditional “paperback” and “hardcover” styles, and many sellers simply list it as one of those categories, causing some confusion.
Promo Used for promotional material, like guides, flyers, pre-publication samplers.
Journal A periodical or magazine based around a specific topic, could be academic, medical, etc.

Not to be confused with a diary style of journal (this would be a genre rather than format). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal

BARD Cartridge Abbreviation of Braille and Audio Reading Download service. Digital audio recording of books that can be transferred to a USB cartridge and played on a Digital Talking Book Machine (DTMB).
Sheet Music Handwritten or printed musical notation that uses musical symbols to indicate the pitches (melodies), rhythms or chords of a song or instrumental musical piece. Does this deserve to be a separate physical format?
Monograph seems to be not a physical "format"
Soundbook A children’s book with buttons that make sound effects when pressed. Not to be confused with audiobook.
conventional "book"
acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
Softcover also known as softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
-> Mass-Market Paperback Also know as "Pocket book"
-> Trade Paperback
-> Pocket book = Mass Market Paperback.
Hardcover or Hardback bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
oversized hardback imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to figure out and select for users.)
Oversized Hardcover as above
Miniature book just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
Spiralbound we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.
conventional "magazine"
Magazine periodical publication (high gloss paper) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine
Bedsheet Magazine just a special US size of magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsheet
Pulp Magazine perhaps to magazines what softbacks are to hardcovers? (seems more genre-y though)
Zine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine or perhaps just "doujinshi" as a term. however how different from "magazine" is it?
Digest size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
Pamphlet booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
Newspaper fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.) (mine too —Monkey)
Electronic/other
Audiobook Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?) (I agree we should recommend to enter details in MB instead and link to it —Monkey)
Printing/Uncorrected Proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof A copy of a book release prior to official publication that needs to be reviewed for errors and corrections. Generally very plainly bound, and distributed only for final editing or promotion.
Loose-leaf/Binder ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
Digital are the following really different "formats"?:
-> eZine/e-Zine
-> e-Book
Other always there is need for "other" :D


formats of electronic books basically falls into the same holes as digital formats of music: we have format types, mobi, epub, pdf, etc, which is irrelevant as usually they're either available as several or, they can be converted. we have distribution channels: amazon, archive, ebooks etc, which can vary from the exact same file to completely unique per platform. we have no actual physical borders to lean on so the size, format and even page numbers (see community post) are irrelevant.

the only separation I'd make between "digitals" is if it's words or audio (ie audiobook)


finally, what to do with tactiles, ie braille books? gut instinct tells me this should be a separate category.