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           format          old
 
           format          old
 
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  Manuscript                   | traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc,  copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)
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  Manuscript                 | traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc,  copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)
 
it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll
 
it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll
 
the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then.
 
the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then.
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manuscripts can *be* other  types "...may be a codex or a scroll"
 
manuscripts can *be* other  types "...may be a codex or a scroll"
  
  stone/clay/wood tablet                   | my addition
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  stone/clay/wood tablet     | my addition
  scroll/parchment                   | my addition
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  scroll/parchment           | my addition
  Codex                   | historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
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  Codex                     | historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
  Incunable                   | medieval books, written by hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
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  Incunable                 | medieval books, written by hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
  Post-Incunable                   | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
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  Post-Incunable             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
 
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  Broadside                 | ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
  Broadside                   | ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
 
 
 
 
  Chapbook                  | small paper-covered booklets
 
  Chapbook                  | small paper-covered booklets
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Facsimile                  | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases
  
  
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           format          kids/interactive
 
           format          kids/interactive
 
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  Board Book                   | kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
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  Board Book                 | kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
 
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  Padded Baby Book           | distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
  Padded Baby Book                   | distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
 
  
 
  Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book)                  | interestings, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc.
 
  Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book)                  | interestings, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc.
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           format          no idea
 
           format          no idea
 
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Facsimilie                  | is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimilie ie "fax" ? shouldn't be a type if so.
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  Box Set                   | sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
  Box Set                   | sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
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  Stamped/Die Cut Stories   |    ?
  Stamped/Die Cut Stories                   |    ?
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  Club Edition               | club edition is what?
  Club Edition                   | club edition is what?
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  Flexibound                 | ?
  Flexibound                   | ?
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  Promo                     |  in what way?  
  Promo                   |  in what way?  
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  Journal                   | what is this? unclear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
 
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  BARD Cartridge             |  ?????
  Journal                   | what is this? unclear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
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  Sheet Music               | in what way? seems more a "genre"
  BARD Cartridge                   |  ?????
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  Monograph                 | seems to be not a physical "format"
  Sheet Music                   | in what way? seems more a "genre"
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  Soundbook                 | how is diff from electronic/audiobook? what is it?  
  Monograph                   | seems to be not a physical "format"
 
  Soundbook                   | how is diff from electronic/audiobook? what is it?  
 
  
  
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acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
 
acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
  
  Paperback                   | also known as a softcover or softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
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  Paperback                 | also known as a softcover or softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
Mass-Market Paperback                   |       
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  Mass-Market Paperback   |       
Trade Paperback                   |             
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  Trade Paperback         |             
  Softcover                   | same as paperback? (I'd prefer this term as an analogue to "hardcover")
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  Softcover                 | same as paperback? (I'd prefer this term as an analogue to "hardcover")
  Pocket book                   | literally the same as "paperback"in eng., norwegian makes a distinction between  "pocketbook" and Paperback but then goes on to describe them identically. english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_edition doesn't really add any clarification either, imho.
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  Pocket book               | literally the same as "paperback"in eng., norwegian makes a distinction between  "pocketbook" and Paperback but then goes on to describe them identically. english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_edition doesn't really add any clarification either, imho.
  
 
  Hardback                  | bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
 
  Hardback                  | bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
  Hardcover                   | wp makes no distinction between Hback and hcover, infact redirects this to the other.
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  Hardcover                 | wp makes no distinction between Hback and hcover, infact redirects this to the other.
  oversized hardback                   | imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to fogure out and select for users.)
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  oversized hardback         | imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to fogure out and select for users.)
  Oversized Hardcover                   | as above
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  Oversized Hardcover       | as above
  
  Miniature book                   | just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
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  Miniature book             | just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
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Spiralbound                | we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.
  
  
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  Digest                    |    size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
 
  Digest                    |    size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
 
  Pamphlet                  |  booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
 
  Pamphlet                  |  booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
  newspaper                   | fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.)
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  newspaper                 | fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.)
  
  
  
       format       |  electronic/other   
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       format               electronic/other   
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  Audiobook                   | Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?)
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  Audiobook                 | Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?)
  Printing/Uncorrected Proof                   | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof
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  Printing/Uncorrected Proof | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof
  Loose-leaf/Binder                   | ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
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  Loose-leaf/Binder         | ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
Spiralbound                  | we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.  
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  Digital                   | are the following really different "formats"?:
  Digital                   | are the following really different "formats"?:
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   eZine/e-Zine             |
   eZine/e-Zine
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   e-Book                   |
   e-Book
 
  
  Other                   | always there is need for "other" :D                       
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  Other                     | always there is need for "other" :D                       
  
  

Revision as of 10:33, 28 November 2020

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edition types: (physical) format


These could be topmost,. then possibly we can have sub-options or similar, so that something like "pocketbook" or "softback" are subs of paperback, meaning that if you do not know it is better to chose paperback and be less specific, than to chose pocket and be wrong.

Suggestions?


* hardback (glued/sewn, paper/vellum?)
* paperback
* spiralbound
* booklet/magazine/digest (it may have a spine)
* paper/newspaper/pamphlet (any distinction between glossy/non glossy?)
* audiobook (physical or digital)
* scroll/parchment 
* stone/clay tablet

* non-bound/unregular/loose pages

* other

should we make a distinction between sewn(ie hardback) and glued (ie boardbook)




           format           old
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 Manuscript                 | traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc,  copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)
it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll
the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then.
paper, vellum, papyrus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuscript
Manuscript seems a very broad general, perhaps more suitable as a tag than a type of format, given that 
manuscripts can *be* other  types "...may be a codex or a scroll"

 stone/clay/wood tablet     | my addition
 scroll/parchment           | my addition
 Codex                      | historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
 Incunable                  | medieval books, written by hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
 Post-Incunable             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
 Broadside                  | ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
 Chapbook                   | small paper-covered booklets
 Facsimile                  | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases




           format           kids/interactive
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 Board Book                 | kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
 Padded Baby Book           | distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.

 Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book)                   | interestings, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc.
hell I even own greeting-cards that are somewhat like this. 



           format          multiple media
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my gut instinct here is to a) link it to mb, b) each "type of medium" is "It's Own Thing"™ so we need no "combo format". if we eventually have "types of audio format" and "multi medium editions" as on mb, this solves itself. 
For now, I think we ignore "additional (non-book) things attached to editions", and leave that info for annotations.

 Paperback + Flexi-Disc     |    15
 Paperback + CD             |   303
 Hardback + CD              |   307
 Paperback + Cassette       |    23
 

           format           no idea
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 Box Set                    | sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
 Stamped/Die Cut Stories    |    ?
 Club Edition               | club edition is what?
 Flexibound                 | ?
 Promo                      |  in what way? 
 Journal                    | what is this? unclear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
 BARD Cartridge             |   ?????
 Sheet Music                | in what way? seems more a "genre"
 Monograph                  | seems to be not a physical "format"
 Soundbook                  | how is diff from electronic/audiobook? what is it? 


           format           conventional "book"
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acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.

 Paperback                  | also known as a softcover or softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
   Mass-Market Paperback    |      
   Trade Paperback          |             
 Softcover                  | same as paperback? (I'd prefer this term as an analogue to "hardcover")
 Pocket book                | literally the same as "paperback"in eng., norwegian makes a distinction between  "pocketbook" and Paperback but then goes on to describe them identically. english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_edition doesn't really add any clarification either, imho.

 Hardback                   | bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
 Hardcover                  | wp makes no distinction between Hback and hcover, infact redirects this to the other.
 oversized hardback         | imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to fogure out and select for users.)
 Oversized Hardcover        | as above

 Miniature book             | just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
 Spiralbound                | we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without. 


           format           conventional "magazine"
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 Magazine                   | periodical publication (high gloss paper) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine
 Bedsheet Magazine          |   just a special US size of magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsheet
 Pulp Magazine              |   perhaps to magazines what softbacks are to hardcovers? (seems more genre-y though)
 Zine                       |  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine or perhaps just "doujinshi" as a term. however how different from "magazine" is it?
 Digest                     |    size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
 Pamphlet                   |   booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
 newspaper                  | fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.)



       format               electronic/other  
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 Audiobook                  | Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?)
 Printing/Uncorrected Proof | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof
 Loose-leaf/Binder          | ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
 Digital                    | are the following really different "formats"?:
  eZine/e-Zine              |
  e-Book                    |

 Other                      | always there is need for "other" :D                       




formats of electronic books basically falls into the same holes as digital formats of music: 
we have format types, mobi, epub, pdf, etc, which is irrelevant as usually they're either available as several or, they can be converted.
we have distribution channels: amazon, archive, ebooks etc, which can vary from the exact same file to completely unique per platform.
we have no actual physical borders to lean on so the size, format and even page numbers (see community post) are irrelevant.

the only separation I'd make between "digitals" is if it's words or audio (ie audiobook)


finally, what to do with tactiles, ie braille books?
gut instinct tells me this should be a separate category.