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          format          old
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  ! Format
Manuscript                 | traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc,  copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)
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  ! Description
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  ! Old
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  | Manuscript
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  | traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc,  copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)
 
it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll
 
it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll
 
the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then.
 
the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then.
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Manuscript seems a very broad general, perhaps more suitable as a tag than a type of format, given that  
 
Manuscript seems a very broad general, perhaps more suitable as a tag than a type of format, given that  
 
manuscripts can *be* other  types "...may be a codex or a scroll"
 
manuscripts can *be* other  types "...may be a codex or a scroll"
 
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stone/clay/wood tablet     | my addition
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  | stone/clay/wood tablet
scroll/parchment           | my addition
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  | my addition
Codex                     | historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
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|-
Incunable                 | medieval books, written by hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
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  | scroll/parchment
Post-Incunable             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
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  | my addition
Broadside                 | ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
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Chapbook                  | small paper-covered booklets
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  | Codex
Facsimile                 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases
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  | historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
 
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|-
 
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  | Incunable
 
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  | medieval books, written by hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
 
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|-
          format          kids/interactive
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  | Post-Incunable
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  | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
Board Book                 | kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
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|-
Padded Baby Book          | distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
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  | Broadside
 
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  | ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book)                   | interestings, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc.
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|-
hell I even own greeting-cards that are somewhat like this.  
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  | Chapbook
 
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  | small paper-covered booklets
 
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|-
 
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  | Facsimile
          format          multiple media
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  | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases
----------------------------+-------
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|-
 
+
  ! kids/interactive
my gut instinct here is to a) link it to mb, b) each "type of medium" is "It's Own Thing"™ so we need no "combo format". if we eventually have "types of audio format" and "multi medium editions" as on mb, this solves itself.  
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For now, I think we ignore "additional (non-book) things attached to editions", and leave that info for annotations.
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  |
 
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|-
Paperback + Flexi-Disc    |    15
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  | Board Book               
Paperback + CD            |  303
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  | kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
Hardback + CD              |  307
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|-
Paperback + Cassette      |    23
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  | Padded Baby Book         
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  | distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
 
+
|-
          format          no idea
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  | Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book)                 
----------------------------+-------
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  | interesting, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc. Hell I even own greeting-cards that are somewhat like this.  
Box Set                    | sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
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|-
Stamped/Die Cut Stories    |    ?
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  ! multiple media
Club Edition              | club edition is what?
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|-
Flexibound                | ?
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  | colspan="2" | my gut instinct here is to a) link it to mb, b) each "type of medium" is "It's Own Thing"™ so we need no "combo format". if we eventually have "types of audio format" and "multi medium editions" as on mb, this solves itself. For now, I think we ignore "additional (non-book) things attached to editions", and leave that info for annotations.
Promo                      |  in what way?  
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|-
Journal                    | what is this? unclear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
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  | Paperback + Flexi-Disc     
BARD Cartridge            |  ?????
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  |    15
Sheet Music                | in what way? seems more a "genre"
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|-
Monograph                  | seems to be not a physical "format"
+
  | Paperback + CD             
Soundbook                  | how is diff from electronic/audiobook? what is it?  
+
  |  303
 
+
|-
 
+
  | Hardback + CD               
          format          conventional "book"
+
  |  307
----------------------------+-------
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|-
acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
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  | Paperback + Cassette       
 
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  |    23
Paperback                 | also known as a softcover or softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
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|-
  Mass-Market Paperback    |     
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  ! no idea
  Trade Paperback          |           
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|-
Softcover                  | same as paperback? (I'd prefer this term as an analogue to "hardcover")
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  | Box Set                   
Pocket book                | literally the same as "paperback"in eng., norwegian makes a distinction between  "pocketbook" and Paperback but then goes on to describe them identically. english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_edition doesn't really add any clarification either, imho.
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  | sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
 
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|-
Hardback                  | bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
+
  | Stamped/Die Cut Stories   
Hardcover                  | wp makes no distinction between Hback and hcover, infact redirects this to the other.
+
  |    ?
oversized hardback        | imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to fogure out and select for users.)
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|-
Oversized Hardcover        | as above
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  | Club Edition             
 
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  | club edition is what?
Miniature book            | just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
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|-
Spiralbound                | we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.  
+
  | Flexibound                 
 
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  | ?
 
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          format          conventional "magazine"
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  | Promo                     
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  |  in what way?  
Magazine                  | periodical publication (high gloss paper) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine
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|-
Bedsheet Magazine          |  just a special US size of magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsheet
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  | Journal                     
Pulp Magazine              |  perhaps to magazines what softbacks are to hardcovers? (seems more genre-y though)
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  | what is this? unclear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
Zine                      |  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine or perhaps just "doujinshi" as a term. however how different from "magazine" is it?
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Digest                    |    size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
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  | BARD Cartridge             
Pamphlet                  |  booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
+
  |  ?????
newspaper                  | fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.)
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|-
 
+
  | Sheet Music                 
 
+
  | in what way? seems more a "genre"
 
+
|-
      format              electronic/other   
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  | Monograph                   
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  | seems to be not a physical "format"
Audiobook                  | Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?)
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|-
Printing/Uncorrected Proof | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof
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  | Soundbook                   
Loose-leaf/Binder          | ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
+
  | how is diff from electronic/audiobook? what is it?  
Digital                    | are the following really different "formats"?:
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|-
  eZine/e-Zine              |
+
  ! conventional "book"
  e-Book                    |
+
|-
 
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  | colspan="2" | acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
Other                      | always there is need for "other" :D                     
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|-
 
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  | Paperback                 
 +
  | also known as a softcover or softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
 +
|-
 +
  | -> Mass-Market Paperback   
 +
|-
 +
  | -> Trade Paperback        
 +
|-
 +
  | Softcover                 
 +
  | same as paperback? (I'd prefer this term as an analogue to "hardcover")
 +
|-
 +
  | Pocket book                 
 +
  | literally the same as "paperback"in eng., norwegian makes a distinction between  "pocketbook" and Paperback but then goes on to describe them identically. english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_edition doesn't really add any clarification either, imho.
 +
|-
 +
  | Hardback                   
 +
  | bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
 +
|-
 +
  | Hardcover                   
 +
  | wp makes no distinction between Hback and hcover, infact redirects this to the other.
 +
|-
 +
  | oversized hardback         
 +
  | imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to fogure out and select for users.)
 +
|-
 +
  | Oversized Hardcover         
 +
  | as above
 +
|-
 +
  | Miniature book             
 +
  | just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
 +
|-
 +
  | Spiralbound                 
 +
  | we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.  
 +
|-
 +
  ! conventional "magazine"
 +
|-
 +
  | Magazine                 
 +
  | periodical publication (high gloss paper) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine
 +
|-
 +
  | Bedsheet Magazine         
 +
  |   just a special US size of magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsheet
 +
|-
 +
  | Pulp Magazine               
 +
  |  perhaps to magazines what softbacks are to hardcovers? (seems more genre-y though)
 +
|-
 +
  | Zine                       
 +
  |  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine or perhaps just "doujinshi" as a term. however how different from "magazine" is it?
 +
|-
 +
  | Digest                     
 +
  |    size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
 +
|-
 +
  | Pamphlet                 
 +
  |  booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
 +
|-
 +
  | newspaper                   
 +
  | fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.)
 +
|-
 +
  ! electronic/other   
 +
|-
 +
  | Audiobook                 
 +
  | Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?)
 +
|-
 +
  | Printing/Uncorrected Proof
 +
  | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof
 +
|-
 +
  | Loose-leaf/Binder         
 +
  | ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
 +
|-
 +
  | Digital                   
 +
  | are the following really different "formats"?:
 +
|-
 +
  | -> eZine/e-Zine
 +
|-
 +
  | -> e-Book     
 +
|-
 +
  | Other                     
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  | always there is need for "other" :D
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finally, what to do with tactiles, ie braille books?
 
finally, what to do with tactiles, ie braille books?
 
gut instinct tells me this should be a separate category.
 
gut instinct tells me this should be a separate category.
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Edition format types

These could be topmost,. then possibly we can have sub-options or similar, so that something like "pocketbook" or "softback" are subs of paperback, meaning that if you do not know it is better to chose paperback and be less specific, than to chose pocket and be wrong.

Suggestions?


  • hardback (glued/sewn, paper/vellum?)
  • paperback
  • spiralbound
  • booklet/magazine/digest (it may have a spine)
  • paper/newspaper/pamphlet (any distinction between glossy/non glossy?)
  • audiobook (physical or digital)
  • scroll/parchment
  • stone/clay tablet
  • non-bound/unregular/loose pages
  • other

should we make a distinction between sewn(ie hardback) and glued (ie boardbook)


Formats
Format Description
Old
Manuscript traditionally, any document that is written by hand. modernly, any written, typed, etc, copy of the author's work, distinguished from the printed version.(seems the only distinction between incunable/manuscript is printed/handwritten, the modern idea creates problems)

it maybe a codex(bound), or it may be a scroll the diffe between scroll and codex seems to be the bounding of codices then. paper, vellum, papyrus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuscript Manuscript seems a very broad general, perhaps more suitable as a tag than a type of format, given that manuscripts can *be* other types "...may be a codex or a scroll"

stone/clay/wood tablet my addition
scroll/parchment my addition
Codex historical ancestor of book, vellum/papyrus/etc
Incunable medieval books, written by hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable
Post-Incunable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incunable#Post-incunable (honestly seems unnecessary as a differentiation.)
Broadside ie poster, apparently incunables are included here??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadside_(printing)
Chapbook small paper-covered booklets
Facsimile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile rigorous reproduction of (often) ancient releases
kids/interactive
Board Book kids books printed on cardboard-type material "paperboard".
Padded Baby Book distinction between "padded" or "hard/soft/board" back though? I can only imagine crossover/gradient will be common.
Pop-Up Book (I would prefer Interactive book) interesting, but, I've seen both hardback and boardbooks with this ability. the norwegian term is "utbrettsbok" (folding out book). the "animated book" (Livre animé) of french is also a nice term. I'm unsure if this is "its own thing". I think something can be *both* hardback and interactive, etc. Hell I even own greeting-cards that are somewhat like this.
multiple media
my gut instinct here is to a) link it to mb, b) each "type of medium" is "It's Own Thing"™ so we need no "combo format". if we eventually have "types of audio format" and "multi medium editions" as on mb, this solves itself. For now, I think we ignore "additional (non-book) things attached to editions", and leave that info for annotations.
Paperback + Flexi-Disc 15
Paperback + CD 303
Hardback + CD 307
Paperback + Cassette 23
no idea
Box Set sure, but usually individual things inside (this is "packaging")
Stamped/Die Cut Stories ?
Club Edition club edition is what?
Flexibound ?
Promo in what way?
Journal what is this? unclear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal
BARD Cartridge ?????
Sheet Music in what way? seems more a "genre"
Monograph seems to be not a physical "format"
Soundbook how is diff from electronic/audiobook? what is it?
conventional "book"
acc to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback : "In the U.S., there are "mass-market paperbacks" and larger, more durable "trade paperbacks". In the U.K., there are A-format, B-format, and the largest C-format sizes." so these are "market specific formats" the differences between them are minimal. I think they might be used as sub-types, but given that the same thing will be defined differently in different markets, this is also problematic (also we should not be US-centric (or any other market for that matter) but defining our formats 1:1 with their definitions.
Paperback also known as a softcover or softback, often held together with glue (not stitches or staples)
-> Mass-Market Paperback
-> Trade Paperback
Softcover same as paperback? (I'd prefer this term as an analogue to "hardcover")
Pocket book literally the same as "paperback"in eng., norwegian makes a distinction between "pocketbook" and Paperback but then goes on to describe them identically. english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_edition doesn't really add any clarification either, imho.
Hardback bound with cardboard covered with cloth, plastic, or leather.
Hardcover wp makes no distinction between Hback and hcover, infact redirects this to the other.
oversized hardback imho, this and the below are irrelevant (oversized to one person is regular to another. types need to be obvious to fogure out and select for users.)
Oversized Hardcover as above
Miniature book just small books? an image search seem to say so, if they are bound like bigger books they are still "hardback/softback/spiral/etc"
Spiralbound we *might* make a distinction between those with two hard/solid boards and those without.
conventional "magazine"
Magazine periodical publication (high gloss paper) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine
Bedsheet Magazine just a special US size of magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedsheet
Pulp Magazine perhaps to magazines what softbacks are to hardcovers? (seems more genre-y though)
Zine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine or perhaps just "doujinshi" as a term. however how different from "magazine" is it?
Digest size between magazine and paperback (perhaps journal also fits here?)
Pamphlet booklet, leaflet, manual, flyer, thin, small and informative? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet there is A LOT of crossover of names and terms and definitions for unbound non-periodical papers. how is it different from broadside and Posters?
newspaper fairly straightforward, do we distinguish between month/week/daily, tabloid/serious? (my gut says no.)
electronic/other
Audiobook Audiobook; cd, cassette, digital (maybe better if mb stores the specifics?)
Printing/Uncorrected Proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley_proof
Loose-leaf/Binder ringperm, papers with holes set in a binder.
Digital are the following really different "formats"?:
-> eZine/e-Zine
-> e-Book
Other always there is need for "other" :D


formats of electronic books basically falls into the same holes as digital formats of music: we have format types, mobi, epub, pdf, etc, which is irrelevant as usually they're either available as several or, they can be converted. we have distribution channels: amazon, archive, ebooks etc, which can vary from the exact same file to completely unique per platform. we have no actual physical borders to lean on so the size, format and even page numbers (see community post) are irrelevant.

the only separation I'd make between "digitals" is if it's words or audio (ie audiobook)


finally, what to do with tactiles, ie braille books? gut instinct tells me this should be a separate category.