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<br>There is also the Classical kemenche and the kemenche of the black sea (s)
 
<br>There is also the Classical kemenche and the kemenche of the black sea (s)
 
* so we have:
 
* so we have:
* kamancheh - persian spikefiddle
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* kamancheh [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q290951 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamancheh en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/a9f76c33-1eaa-48c0-a43c-ee12754eb7bf mb] - persian spikefiddle
* kemenche - mediterranean lute
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* kemenche [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10969818 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemenche en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/01ba56a2-4306-493d-8088-c7e9b671c74e mb] - mediterranean lute
* kemençe of the Black Sea (Karadeniz kemençesi, Pontic kemenche, Pontic lyra) - box-shaped lute
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* kemençe of the Black Sea (Karadeniz kemençesi, Pontic kemenche, Pontic lyra) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12060981 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemen%C3%A7e_of_the_Black_Sea en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/ad09a4ed-d1b6-47c3-ac85-acb531244a4d mb] - box-shaped lute
* classical kemençe (Klasik kemençe, Armudî kemençe, Politiki lyra) - bowl-shaped lute  
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* classical kemençe (Klasik kemençe, Armudî kemençe, Politiki lyra) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10259047 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_kemen%C3%A7e en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/b9692581-c117-47f3-9524-3deeb69c6d3f mb] - bowl-shaped lute  
  
* Byzantine lyra - medieval greek pear-shaped lute which has many descendants:  
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* Byzantine lyra [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2606162 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_lyra en] MB! - medieval greek pear-shaped lute which has many descendants:  
 
** Greek (Politiki lyra (aka classical kemence ^))
 
** Greek (Politiki lyra (aka classical kemence ^))
 
** Pontic Greek (Pontic lyra (aka KotBS ^))
 
** Pontic Greek (Pontic lyra (aka KotBS ^))
** Cretan (Cretan lyra)
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** Cretan (Cretan lyra) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q369556 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretan_lyra en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/4fe225a3-6939-4fab-a416-d0cd38c96cb9 mb]
** Serbian/Montenegroan (gusle)
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** Serbian/Montenegroan (gusle) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q669370 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gusle en] MB!
** Bulgarian (gadulka)
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** Bulgarian (gadulka) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1078965 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadulka en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/280ae6d4-03ad-4009-ba8d-de793e4c87c0 mb]
** Croatia (Dalmatian Lijerica)
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** Croatia (Dalmatian Lijerica) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1420096 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijerica en] MB!
** Italian (Calabrian lira)
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** Italian (Calabrian lira) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1130464 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabrian_lira en] MB!
** Russia (gudok)
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** Russia (gudok) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q854664 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudok en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/0bcc6b50-1f8b-4c6b-86f3-f2cd61ae5f85 mb]
 
* (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_lyra)
 
* (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_lyra)
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unknown if it is any relation:
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* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzaanchy Byzaanchy] (string instrument, sounds like Byzans(Byzantian))
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some kind of timeline possibly:<br>
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?? -> rebab -?> lira ?-?> vielle (medieval fiddle) -> lira da braccio (renaissance) -> ?? -> viol/violin

Revision as of 17:13, 8 January 2020

Indeed, the kemenche is also another untangled mess in itself, the kamancheh and the kemenche are two different instruments, unrelated (well eventually they are, but not as close as the names would imply) were the kamancheh (acc to wikipedia) is the one related to rebab.
There is also the Classical kemenche and the kemenche of the black sea (s)

  • so we have:
  • kamancheh wd en mb - persian spikefiddle
  • kemenche wd en mb - mediterranean lute
  • kemençe of the Black Sea (Karadeniz kemençesi, Pontic kemenche, Pontic lyra) wd en mb - box-shaped lute
  • classical kemençe (Klasik kemençe, Armudî kemençe, Politiki lyra) wd en mb - bowl-shaped lute
  • Byzantine lyra wd en MB! - medieval greek pear-shaped lute which has many descendants:
    • Greek (Politiki lyra (aka classical kemence ^))
    • Pontic Greek (Pontic lyra (aka KotBS ^))
    • Cretan (Cretan lyra) wd en mb
    • Serbian/Montenegroan (gusle) wd en MB!
    • Bulgarian (gadulka) wd en mb
    • Croatia (Dalmatian Lijerica) wd en MB!
    • Italian (Calabrian lira) wd en MB!
    • Russia (gudok) wd en mb
  • (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_lyra)



unknown if it is any relation:

  • Byzaanchy (string instrument, sounds like Byzans(Byzantian))


some kind of timeline possibly:
?? -> rebab -?> lira ?-?> vielle (medieval fiddle) -> lira da braccio (renaissance) -> ?? -> viol/violin