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How many r*b*b's do we have?:<br> |
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Indeed, the kemenche is also another untangled mess in itself, the kamancheh and the kemenche are two different instruments, unrelated (well eventually they are, but not as close as the names would imply) were the kamancheh (acc to wikipedia) is the one related to [[R*bab|rebab]]. |
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<br>There is also the Classical kemenche and the kemenche of the black sea (s) |
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long-necked rabab (spikefiddle rebab)<br> |
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* so we have: |
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lute like ____ where the rebec evolved from (herein the lutes)<br> |
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* kamancheh [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q290951 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamancheh en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/a9f76c33-1eaa-48c0-a43c-ee12754eb7bf mb] - persian spikefiddle |
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double chested '''rabab''' (pearshaped lute rubab)<br> |
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* kemenche [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10969818 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemenche en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/01ba56a2-4306-493d-8088-c7e9b671c74e mb] - mediterranean lute |
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* kemençe of the Black Sea (Karadeniz kemençesi, Pontic kemenche, Pontic lyra) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12060981 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemen%C3%A7e_of_the_Black_Sea en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/ad09a4ed-d1b6-47c3-ac85-acb531244a4d mb] - box-shaped lute |
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So:<br> |
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* classical kemençe (Klasik kemençe, Armudî kemençe, Politiki lyra) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10259047 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_kemen%C3%A7e en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/b9692581-c117-47f3-9524-3deeb69c6d3f mb] - bowl-shaped lute |
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* Spikefiddle, to wit the ghijak [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q54995817 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghijak en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/0d766870-3021-47ce-bd51-78d2d2484e1b mb] and the Indonesian [[R*bab|Rebab]] belong... |
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* Long necked barbed lute (pearshaped lutes!) kamanche, ravaj, read [[User:CatCat/v*na|vina]] |
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* Short necked fiddle boat-shaped /double chested lutes, herein the sarinda and sarangi families. |
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* Byzantine lyra [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2606162 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_lyra en] MB! - medieval greek pear-shaped lute which has many descendants: |
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** Greek (Politiki lyra (aka classical kemence ^)) |
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** Pontic Greek (Pontic lyra (aka KotBS ^)) |
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** Cretan (Cretan lyra) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q369556 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretan_lyra en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/4fe225a3-6939-4fab-a416-d0cd38c96cb9 mb] |
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** Serbian/Montenegroan (gusle) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q669370 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gusle en] MB! |
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** Bulgarian (gadulka) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1078965 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadulka en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/280ae6d4-03ad-4009-ba8d-de793e4c87c0 mb] |
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** Croatia (Dalmatian Lijerica) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1420096 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijerica en] MB! |
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** Italian (Calabrian lira) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1130464 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabrian_lira en] MB! |
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** Russia (gudok) [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q854664 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gudok en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/0bcc6b50-1f8b-4c6b-86f3-f2cd61ae5f85 mb] |
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* (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_lyra) |
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= Classification aspect = |
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== spikefiddle - long neck, tiny soundbox == |
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* Indonesian rebab |
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* đàn gáo |
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* đàn hồ |
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* đàn nhị |
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* salo/saw lo |
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* saw sam sai |
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* saw u |
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* saw duang |
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* tro khmer |
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* tro sau |
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* tro che |
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* tro sau thom |
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* tro u |
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* tro (research) |
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* jawza |
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* konya |
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* sanxian |
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* erxian |
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* huqin (family) |
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** sihu |
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** yehu |
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** dihu |
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** zhonghu |
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** banhu |
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** huluhu |
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** jinghu |
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** erhu |
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*** gaohu |
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* kamancheh |
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* igil/ikili |
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* sanshin |
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* shamisen |
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* kokyu |
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* yaylı tambur |
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* ghijak |
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* ravanahatha |
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* haegeum |
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* (afrikan) |
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** goje |
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** njarka |
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** n'ko |
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** imzad |
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== bowl (lyra, divergent) larger lute-like soundbox shorter neck == |
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unknown if it is any relation: |
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* Byzantine lyra/lira |
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* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzaanchy Byzaanchy] (string instrument, sounds like Byzans(Byzantian)) |
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* Gadulka |
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* gudok |
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* gusle |
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* sintir |
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* guimbri |
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* cretan lyra |
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* calabrian lira |
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* dalmatian lijerica |
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* kemenche |
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* pontic lyra(k of the black sea) |
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* politiki lyra (classical k) |
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* rebec |
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* rabel |
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* dutar |
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* çifteli |
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* cobza |
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* kobza/bandurka |
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* komuz |
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* qanbūs/gambus |
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* gabusi |
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* tambouras -> eg lutes, baglamas etc. |
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* pandur etc |
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* tambur etc |
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* tanpura etc |
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* indian lute, sitar |
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* cittern, gitten, etc guitar |
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*etc |
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== double (lute, divergent) two bodied or hollowed out, concave shape, thick short neck == |
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* kobyz |
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* rubab/rabab (kabuli rebab) |
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* sarod |
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* sarangi |
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** nepalian sarangi (is this really a separate instrument?) |
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* sarinda |
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* esraj |
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* dilruba |
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* ghaychak |
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* kyl kyyak |
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* lyra viol |
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* viol da gambas |
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* viol da braccios |
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* etc |
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== harplike/veena == |
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some kind of timeline possibly:<br> |
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* taus/mayuri veena/b |
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?? -> rebab -?> lira ?-?> vielle (medieval fiddle) -> lira da braccio (renaissance) -> ?? -> viol/violin |
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* yazh |
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* saung/saung-gauk |
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== lyre like == |
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* crwth |
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* rotta |
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== Notes == |
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Rababah - ancient - arabic fiddle - <br> |
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rebab - medieval - persia<br> |
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seni rebab - medieval - <br> |
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kabuli rebab - medieval - arab<br> |
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rebec - medieval - europe<br> |
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<br> |
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rebab - modern - indonesia<br> |
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some interesting https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reb%C3%A1b_(egy%C3%A9rtelm%C5%B1s%C3%ADt%C5%91_lap) |
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Revision as of 12:44, 4 February 2020
How many r*b*b's do we have?:
long-necked rabab (spikefiddle rebab)
lute like ____ where the rebec evolved from (herein the lutes)
double chested rabab (pearshaped lute rubab)
So:
- Spikefiddle, to wit the ghijak wd en mb and the Indonesian Rebab belong...
- Long necked barbed lute (pearshaped lutes!) kamanche, ravaj, read vina
- Short necked fiddle boat-shaped /double chested lutes, herein the sarinda and sarangi families.
Classification aspect
spikefiddle - long neck, tiny soundbox
- Indonesian rebab
- đàn gáo
- đàn hồ
- đàn nhị
- salo/saw lo
- saw sam sai
- saw u
- saw duang
- tro khmer
- tro sau
- tro che
- tro sau thom
- tro u
- tro (research)
- jawza
- konya
- sanxian
- erxian
- huqin (family)
- sihu
- yehu
- dihu
- zhonghu
- banhu
- huluhu
- jinghu
- erhu
- gaohu
- kamancheh
- igil/ikili
- sanshin
- shamisen
- kokyu
- yaylı tambur
- ghijak
- ravanahatha
- haegeum
- (afrikan)
- goje
- njarka
- n'ko
- imzad
bowl (lyra, divergent) larger lute-like soundbox shorter neck
- Byzantine lyra/lira
- Gadulka
- gudok
- gusle
- sintir
- guimbri
- cretan lyra
- calabrian lira
- dalmatian lijerica
- kemenche
- pontic lyra(k of the black sea)
- politiki lyra (classical k)
- rebec
- rabel
- dutar
- çifteli
- cobza
- kobza/bandurka
- komuz
- qanbūs/gambus
- gabusi
- tambouras -> eg lutes, baglamas etc.
- pandur etc
- tambur etc
- tanpura etc
- indian lute, sitar
- cittern, gitten, etc guitar
- etc
double (lute, divergent) two bodied or hollowed out, concave shape, thick short neck
- kobyz
- rubab/rabab (kabuli rebab)
- sarod
- sarangi
- nepalian sarangi (is this really a separate instrument?)
- sarinda
- esraj
- dilruba
- ghaychak
- kyl kyyak
- lyra viol
- viol da gambas
- viol da braccios
- etc
harplike/veena
- taus/mayuri veena/b
- yazh
- saung/saung-gauk
lyre like
- crwth
- rotta
Notes
Rababah - ancient - arabic fiddle -
rebab - medieval - persia
seni rebab - medieval -
kabuli rebab - medieval - arab
rebec - medieval - europe
rebab - modern - indonesia
some interesting https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reb%C3%A1b_(egy%C3%A9rtelm%C5%B1s%C3%ADt%C5%91_lap)
