Difference between revisions of "User:CatCat/v*na"

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Veena:
 
Veena:
  
'''sarangi'''<br>
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'''sarangi''' [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q608650 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarangi en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/79f5331d-d17c-4c2e-8ad0-44144432a754 mb]<br>
hindustani classical music, rajasthani folk sarangi, nepali sarangi<br>
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hindustani classical music, rajasthani folk sarangi, nepali sarangi [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7423131 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarangi_(Nepali) en] MB!(?)<br>
 
sarangi type:<br>
 
sarangi type:<br>
 
kashmir (saran)<br>
 
kashmir (saran)<br>
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.type of lute, evolved from the rabab includes this and the ghaychack in its family evolved from the kobyz. (kobyz, ghaychac sarangi)<br>
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.type of lute, evolved from the rabab includes this and the ghaychak [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1521728 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghaychak en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/d50ba107-4930-4e0b-8b3f-ffbea4a1ade1 mb] [https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-371 jira] in its family evolved from the kobyz [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1778051 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobyz en] [https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-439 jira]. (kobyz, ghaychak, sarangi)<br>
 
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'''sarinda''', is related to and may derive from central asian shamans-fiddle qobuz (kobys?)<br>
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'''sarinda''' [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q348878 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarinda en] [https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-856 jira], is related to and may derive from central asian shamans-fiddle qobuz (kobys?)<br>
 
widespread:<br>
 
widespread:<br>
 
afghanistan, pakistan and north india (sarinda)<br>
 
afghanistan, pakistan and north india (sarinda)<br>
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.....<br>
 
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'''sitar'''<br>
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'''sitar''' [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q229205 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff mb] <br>
hindustani sitar seems to have more in common with large uzbek dutar than persian setar<br>
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hindustani sitar seems to have more in common with large uzbek dutar [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1143814 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutar en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/b3cf8cff-f7c7-4311-bf4e-cfc09bdb07ca mb] than persian setar [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1544746 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/f1299271-c5d7-4f7c-8b72-d64aa152c3bb mb]<br>
sitar and souther tambura (drone tanbura? yes!) to be evolved from the dutar?<br>
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sitar and souther tambura [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3541715 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanb%C5%ABra_(lyre) en] MB! (how relates to drone tanbura? [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1164636 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanpura en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/a19ae157-702a-40c6-892f-9bcb97328b7b mb]) to be evolved from the dutar?<br>
 
also Sarasvati vina from this?<br>
 
also Sarasvati vina from this?<br>
 
sitar has frets, tambura not<br>
 
sitar has frets, tambura not<br>
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carnatic sitar<br>
 
carnatic sitar<br>
 
kashmiri setar<br>
 
kashmiri setar<br>
afgan tanbur<br>
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afghan tanbur<br>
 
gujarati sittarae(poss)<br>
 
gujarati sittarae(poss)<br>
 
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surbahar<br>
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surbahar https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q980383 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surbahar en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/1ed558ad-1628-4e5f-8d14-e18e54375cd5 mb]<br>
 
effectively a bass sitar. invented c1820 by ghulam muhammad<br>
 
effectively a bass sitar. invented c1820 by ghulam muhammad<br>
 
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'''Sursingar''' hybrid plucked north indian classical lute invented c1800 by jaffar khan (seniya family)<br>
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'''Sursingar''' [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2372387 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sursingar en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/efca0287-2791-4209-b29b-1019891cb8d2 mb] hybrid plucked north indian classical lute invented c1800 by jaffar khan (seniya family)<br>
 
resonator, front and bridge from sitar, upperpart of neck/pegboard like the '''rabab''', tuned and played like '''rabab''', plectrum like sitar.<br>
 
resonator, front and bridge from sitar, upperpart of neck/pegboard like the '''rabab''', tuned and played like '''rabab''', plectrum like sitar.<br>
 
(clearly this is a sitar/rabab hybrid)<br>
 
(clearly this is a sitar/rabab hybrid)<br>
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ravanhattha<br>
 
ravanhattha<br>
 
khuur (mongolian fiddles)<br>
 
khuur (mongolian fiddles)<br>
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'''rabab'''-> sarod<br>
 
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double chested '''rabab''' (pearshaped lute rubab)<br>
 
long-necked rabab (spikefiddle rebab)<br>
 
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'''rabab'''-> sarod<br>
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How many r*b*b's do we have?:<br>
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double chested '''rabab''' (pearshaped lute rubab)<br>
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long-necked rabab (spikefiddle rebab)<br>
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So:<br>
 
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spikefiddle, to wit the ghjichak and the [[User:CatCat/k*m*n*|kemenche]] belong...<br>
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* spikefiddle, to wit the ghijak [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q54995817 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghijak en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/0d766870-3021-47ce-bd51-78d2d2484e1b mb] and the [[User:CatCat/k*m*n*|kemenche]] belong...
short necked fiddle  boat-shaped (appears similar to double chested ones and may these pre-evolution)<br>
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* short necked fiddle  boat-shaped (appears similar to double chested ones and may these pre-evolution)
long necked barbed lute (pearshaped lutes?!) kamanche ravaj read vina<br>
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* long necked barbed lute (pearshaped lutes?!) kamanche, ravaj, read vina
double chested lutes, herein the sarinda and sarangi families.<br>
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* double chested lutes, herein the sarinda and sarangi families.
 
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/From-Tri-tantri-Veena-to-Sitar/articleshow/21391436.cms and images on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritantri_vina and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar (compare image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar ) makes it clear that it is the setar that is evolved from the tritantri veena - the sitar https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff/ an unrelated (but possible distant cousin) was *named* after the Persian setar.
 
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/From-Tri-tantri-Veena-to-Sitar/articleshow/21391436.cms and images on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritantri_vina and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar (compare image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar ) makes it clear that it is the setar that is evolved from the tritantri veena - the sitar https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff/ an unrelated (but possible distant cousin) was *named* after the Persian setar.

Revision as of 17:50, 8 January 2020

Veena or vina

Veena:

sarangi wd en mb
hindustani classical music, rajasthani folk sarangi, nepali sarangi wd en MB!(?)
sarangi type:
kashmir (saran)
south afghanistan (sarang)
jammu (saranga)

.type of lute, evolved from the rabab includes this and the ghaychak wd en mb jira in its family evolved from the kobyz wd en jira. (kobyz, ghaychak, sarangi)

sarinda wd en jira, is related to and may derive from central asian shamans-fiddle qobuz (kobys?)
widespread:
afghanistan, pakistan and north india (sarinda)

pakistani baluchistan (saroz)
iranian baluchistan (sorud (soruz)) derived from qobuz but more like indian types in use and construction, used for ritual
pakistani sind (surando) sindi and baluchi models have deeper upper bouts than sarinda

rajasthan (surinda) three main strings
Assam (sareja)

bengal (variant long necked svaraj)(belongs to sitar maybe?)

manipur north-east india (sananta)
east & north india (banam)
nepal (sarangi)


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sitar wd en mb
hindustani sitar seems to have more in common with large uzbek dutar wd en mb than persian setar wd en mb
sitar and souther tambura wd en MB! (how relates to drone tanbura? wd en mb) to be evolved from the dutar?
also Sarasvati vina from this?
sitar has frets, tambura not
terms "fretted and unfretted tambura" used to distinguish between sitar and fretless drone taMbura

sursotta (transportable drone tambura)

other sitar types: (distribution and related features suggest a common development)
carnatic sitar
kashmiri setar
afghan tanbur
gujarati sittarae(poss)

modern:
most common: Hindustani concert sitar aka tarafdar sitar (singel gourd and duble gourd)

has sympathetic strings, this is mostly commonly just called sitar and is the standard made

sada sitar (plain or practice sitar)
kachva sitar muhammad khan developed the surbahar from this, name probably a ref to the part of the gourd its used from.
small sitar (kinnari veena)
carnatic sitar


surbahar https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q980383 wd] en mb
effectively a bass sitar. invented c1820 by ghulam muhammad


Sursingar wd en mb hybrid plucked north indian classical lute invented c1800 by jaffar khan (seniya family)
resonator, front and bridge from sitar, upperpart of neck/pegboard like the rabab, tuned and played like rabab, plectrum like sitar.
(clearly this is a sitar/rabab hybrid)
it has a sub-branch the sitariya (see sitar -_-)


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taus mayerivina
veena
dhodro banam

kachva sitar
surbahar

bin-sitar
kamaica
ravanhattha
khuur (mongolian fiddles)


svaraj fretless long necked plucked lute from bangladesj, it is a bangl version of the bengali/northindian dotara, it ought to be spelled saraj (see esraj)


sara
surs
suba
sita
Origin: India, 13th century.
Strings/Courses: 7/7
Further notes: 3 drone strings, 5 melody strings, usually 12 sympathetic strings. Sympathetic strings are tuned depending on the raga being played. Steel strings.
Scale Length: 680-870mm

The Sitar is a Hindustani Classical Instrument.
saro
sari
banam(rebs)


rabab-> sarod

How many r*b*b's do we have?:

double chested rabab (pearshaped lute rubab)
long-necked rabab (spikefiddle rebab)

So:

  • spikefiddle, to wit the ghijak wd en mb and the kemenche belong...
  • short necked fiddle boat-shaped (appears similar to double chested ones and may these pre-evolution)
  • long necked barbed lute (pearshaped lutes?!) kamanche, ravaj, read vina
  • double chested lutes, herein the sarinda and sarangi families.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/From-Tri-tantri-Veena-to-Sitar/articleshow/21391436.cms and images on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritantri_vina and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar (compare image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar ) makes it clear that it is the setar that is evolved from the tritantri veena - the sitar https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff/ an unrelated (but possible distant cousin) was *named* after the Persian setar.