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kashmir (saran)<br>
kashmir (saran)<br>
south afghanistan (sarang)<br>
south afghanistan (sarang)<br>
jammu (saranga)<br><br>
jammu (saranga)<br></td>
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<td>https://graphic.nobody.jp/musical_picture/sarangi_india_2.jpg</td></tr>
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.type of lute, evolved from the rabab includes this and the ghaychak [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1521728 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghaychak en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/d50ba107-4930-4e0b-8b3f-ffbea4a1ade1 mb] [https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-371 jira]<br> in its family evolved from the kobyz [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1778051 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobyz en] [https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-439 jira]. (kobyz, ghaychak, sarangi)<br>
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<td>.type of lute, evolved from the rabab includes this and the ghaychak [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1521728 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghaychak en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/d50ba107-4930-4e0b-8b3f-ffbea4a1ade1 mb] [https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-371 jira]</td>
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<td> in its family evolved from the kobyz [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1778051 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobyz en] [https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-439 jira]. (kobyz, ghaychak, sarangi)<br></td>
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<td>https://saisaibatake.ame-zaiku.com/musical/instruments/sursringar_i.jpg</td>
<td>https://saisaibatake.ame-zaiku.com/musical/instruments/sursringar_i.jpg</td>
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<td>'''svaraj''' fretless long necked plucked lute from bangladesj, it is a bangl version of the bengali/northindian dotara, it ought to be spelled saraj (see esraj) <br></td>
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<td>Cell 2</td>
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<td>Cell 1</td>
<td>taus mayerivina<br></td>
<td>Cell 2</td>
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<td>Cell 1</td>
<td>dhodro banam
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: surbahar<br></td>
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<td>Cell 2</td>
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<td>Cell 1</td>
<td>bin-sitar</td>
<td>Cell 2</td>
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<td>Cell 1</td>
<td>kamaica</td>
<td>Cell 2</td>
<td>Cell 2</td>
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<td>Cell 1</td>
<td>ravanhattha</td>
<td>Cell 2</td>
<td>Cell 2</td>
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<td>Cell 1</td>
<td>khuur (mongolian fiddles)</td>
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taus mayerivina<br>
veena<br>
dhodro banam<br>
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bin-sitar<br>
kamaica<br>
ravanhattha<br>
khuur (mongolian fiddles)<br>
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'''svaraj''' fretless long necked plucked lute from bangladesj, it is a bangl version of the bengali/northindian dotara, it ought to be spelled saraj (see esraj) <br>
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suba<br>
suba<br>
sita<br>
sita<br>
Origin: India, 13th century.<br>
Strings/Courses: 7/7<br>
Further notes: 3 drone strings, 5 melody strings, usually 12 sympathetic strings. Sympathetic strings are tuned depending on the raga being played. Steel strings.<br>
Scale Length: 680-870mm<br>
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The Sitar is a Hindustani Classical Instrument. <br>
saro<br>
saro<br>
sari<br>
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'''rabab'''-> sarod<br>
'''rabab'''-> sarod<br>
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How many r*b*b's do we have?:<br>
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double chested '''rabab''' (pearshaped lute rubab)<br>
long-necked rabab (spikefiddle rebab)<br>
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So:<br>
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* spikefiddle, to wit the ghijak [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q54995817 wd] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghijak en] [https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/0d766870-3021-47ce-bd51-78d2d2484e1b mb] and the [[User:CatCat/k*m*n*|kemenche]] belong...
* short necked fiddle boat-shaped (appears similar to double chested ones and may these pre-evolution)
* long necked barbed lute (pearshaped lutes?!) kamanche, ravaj, read vina
* double chested lutes, herein the sarinda and sarangi families.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/From-Tri-tantri-Veena-to-Sitar/articleshow/21391436.cms and images on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritantri_vina and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar (compare image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar ) makes it clear that it is the setar that is evolved from the tritantri veena - the sitar https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff/ an unrelated (but possible distant cousin) was *named* after the Persian setar.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/From-Tri-tantri-Veena-to-Sitar/articleshow/21391436.cms and images on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritantri_vina and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar (compare image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar ) makes it clear that it is the setar that is evolved from the tritantri veena - the sitar https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff/ an unrelated (but possible distant cousin) was *named* after the Persian setar.

Revision as of 12:47, 4 February 2020

Veena or vina

Veena:

Cell 1 Cell 2
sarangi wd en mb

hindustani classical music, rajasthani folk sarangi, nepali sarangi wd en MB!(?)
sarangi type:
kashmir (saran)
south afghanistan (sarang)

jammu (saranga)
 sarangi_india_2.jpg
.type of lute, evolved from the rabab includes this and the ghaychak wd en mb jira Cell 2
in its family evolved from the kobyz wd en jira. (kobyz, ghaychak, sarangi)
 Cell 2
sarinda wd en jira, is related to and may derive from central asian shamans-fiddle qobuz (kobys?)

widespread:
afghanistan, pakistan and north india (sarinda)

pakistani baluchistan (saroz)
iranian baluchistan (sorud (soruz)) derived from qobuz but more like indian types in use and construction, used for ritual
pakistani sind (surando) sindi and baluchi models have deeper upper bouts than sarinda

rajasthan (surinda) three main strings
Assam (sareja)

bengal (variant long necked svaraj)(belongs to sitar maybe?)

manipur north-east india (sananta)
east & north india (banam)

nepal (sarangi)
 sarinda.gif
sitar wd en mb

hindustani sitar seems to have more in common with large uzbek dutar wd en mb than persian setar wd en mb
sitar and souther tambura wd en MB! (how relates to drone tanbura? wd en mb) to be evolved from the dutar?
also Sarasvati vina from this?
sitar has frets, tambura not
terms "fretted and unfretted tambura" used to distinguish between sitar and fretless drone taMbura

sursotta (transportable drone tambura)

other sitar types: (distribution and related features suggest a common development)
carnatic sitar
kashmiri setar
afghan tanbur
gujarati sittarae(poss)

modern:
most common: Hindustani concert sitar aka tarafdar sitar (singel gourd and duble gourd)

has sympathetic strings, this is mostly commonly just called sitar and is the standard made

sada sitar (plain or practice sitar)
kachva sitar muhammad khan developed the surbahar from this, name probably a ref to the part of the gourd its used from.
small sitar (kinnari veena)

carnatic sitar
 sitar.gif
surbahar wd en mb
effectively a bass sitar. invented c1820 by ghulam muhammad
 Cell 2
Sursingar wd en mb hybrid plucked north indian classical lute invented c1800 by jaffar khan (seniya family)

resonator, front and bridge from sitar, upperpart of neck/pegboard like the rabab, tuned and played like rabab, plectrum like sitar.
(clearly this is a sitar/rabab hybrid)

it has a sub-branch the sitariya (see sitar -_-)
 sursringar_i.jpg
svaraj fretless long necked plucked lute from bangladesj, it is a bangl version of the bengali/northindian dotara, it ought to be spelled saraj (see esraj)
Cell 2
taus mayerivina
 Cell 2
dhodro banam
kachva sitar
surbahar
 Cell 2
bin-sitar Cell 2
kamaica Cell 2
ravanhattha Cell 2
khuur (mongolian fiddles) Cell 2
Cell 1 Cell 2




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sara
surs
suba
sita
saro
sari
banam(rebs)


rabab-> sarod


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/From-Tri-tantri-Veena-to-Sitar/articleshow/21391436.cms and images on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritantri_vina and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setar (compare image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitar ) makes it clear that it is the setar that is evolved from the tritantri veena - the sitar https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/9290b2c1-97c3-4355-a26f-c6dba89cf8ff/ an unrelated (but possible distant cousin) was *named* after the Persian setar.

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