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==Guidelines==
 
==Guidelines==
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Typically tracks are numbered from 1..n. However, track numbers can be altered to more closely reflect [[Style/Principle/Error_correction_and_artist_intent#Artist_Intent|Artist Intent]], the specific release and details of sides, chapters and other groupings. The guidance below considers the circumstances where this is (or is not) appropriate.
  
 
===Unordered tracklists===
 
===Unordered tracklists===
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===Unnumbered tracks===
 
===Unnumbered tracks===
  
Some tracks are hidden or unnumbered. For these tracks, leave the track number blank.
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If the track listing is entirely un-numbered, number them in order starting with one. (for CDs, they should match the actual CD track numbers.)
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If only a few tracks are [[Style/Unknown_and_untitled/Special_purpose_track_title|hidden (unlisted)]] or unnumbered, leave the track number blank for those tracks.
  
 
===Sides===
 
===Sides===
Medium sides should be indicated with a letter (A, B, C, etc.) before the track number.
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Medium sides should be indicated with a letter (A, B, C, etc.) before the track number.  
  
For most releases this will be similar to A1, A2, A3, B1, B2, B3.
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For most releases this will be similar to A1, A2, A3 / B1, B2, B3.
  
If the numbering does not restart at 1, use the number on the release: A1, A2, A3, B4, B5, B6.
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If the numbering does not restart at 1, use the number on the release: A1, A2, A3 / B4, B5, B6.
  
For releases which already have their own lettering, follow the release: R01, R02, R03, S04, S05, S06.
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For releases which have their own lettering format, follow the release: R01, R02, R03 / S04, S05, S06; A/AA, etc.
  
Some releases have no side indication. In this case, if there is a matrix number or other identifier which distinguishes them, treat the lower-sequenced one as side A.
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Some releases have no useful side indication (e.g. both sides printed as 'Side 2'). In this case, if there is a matrix number or other identifier which distinguishes them, treat the lower-sequenced one as side A. Failing that, follow the track order from another release in the same release group. As a last resort, choose one at random.
  
 
====Examples====
 
====Examples====
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===Sub-tracks===
 
===Sub-tracks===
Some single-sided media have “Sub-tracks”. This applies to CD “indexes”, DVD “titles”/“chapters”, and 4 or 8-track cartridge “programs”, and is also common in production music to identify alternate versions of a track (e.g. a 30-second excerpt).
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Some media have “Sub-tracks”. This applies to CD “indexes”, DVD “titles”/“chapters”, and 4 or 8-track cartridge “programs”, and is also common in production music to identify alternate versions of a track (e.g. a 30-second excerpt).
  
 
For these releases, separate the main track from the sub-track with a period: 1.1, 1.2, 2.1, 2.2.
 
For these releases, separate the main track from the sub-track with a period: 1.1, 1.2, 2.1, 2.2.
  
{{note}}It is currently impossible to use CD indexes other than index 1 on each track, due to the way discIDs are tied to tracklists. Hopefully that will change in the future.
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{{note}}It is currently impossible to store CD indexes other than index 1 on each track, due to the way discIDs are tied to tracklists. Enter as one track, using [[Style/Titles/Multiple_titles|multiple title style]] if applicable. Do not enter additional indexes as if they were tracks, even if no discID is attached yet.
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====DVDs====
 
====DVDs====
 
If there is only one title on a DVD, just use basic track numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.
 
If there is only one title on a DVD, just use basic track numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.
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If a DVD includes a tracklist which doesn’t include some chapters, follow the tracklist numbering. Leave any skipped chapters un-numbered.
 
If a DVD includes a tracklist which doesn’t include some chapters, follow the tracklist numbering. Leave any skipped chapters un-numbered.
  
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====Examples====
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[[Release:a5bee4eb-38e8-4fdc-b958-f2341ec81d70|''Live'' by Apocalyptica]] has 18 chapters in
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the first title, “Live Concert”; the first chapter is unlisted on the cover and the menus
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and only plays if you choose “play all”.
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===Alternate audio tracks===
 
===Alternate audio tracks===
Some formats (DVD, SACD) provide alternate audio tracks within the same title. For these, separate the audio track identifier from the track number by a number sign:
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Some formats (DVD, SACD) provide alternate audio tracks. For these, separate the audio track identifier from the track number by a number sign:
 
* “1#1, 2#1, 3#1” for the first three chapters of the main track
 
* “1#1, 2#1, 3#1” for the first three chapters of the main track
 
* “1#2, 2#2, 3#2” for the first three chapters of an alternate track
 
* “1#2, 2#2, 3#2” for the first three chapters of an alternate track
 
* “1#3, 2#3, 3#3” for the first three chapters of a second alternate track
 
* “1#3, 2#3, 3#3” for the first three chapters of a second alternate track
Note that this could be combined with sub-tracks (above): 1.1#1, 1.2#2, etc.
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This may be combined with sub-tracks (see above): 1.1#1, 1.2#2, etc.
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The audio tracks that would normally be played in consecutive order should be adjacent in the tracklist:
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:''Do'':
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:* Track 1#1 (stereo)
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:* Track 2#1 (stereo)
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:* Track 3#1 (stereo)
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:* Track 1#2 (5.1)
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:* Track 2#2 (5.1)
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:* Track 3#2 (5.1)
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:''Don’t'':
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:* Track 1#1 (stereo)
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:* Track 1#2 (5.1)
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:* Track 2#1 (stereo)
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:* Track 2#2 (5.1)
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:* Track 3#1 (stereo)
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:* Track 3#2 (5.1)
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If available, audio track identifiers should be documented in the release annotation.
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{{note}}It is currently not possible to attach a discID to an SACD entered in this manner. Instead, create a pseudo-release with the CD tracks only, and attach the discID to the pseudo-release.
 
====Examples====
 
====Examples====
* [[Relase:b2c9ad13-ac65-494b-b9ee-9ec0a8e9b94c|The SACD release]] of Isao Tomita’s “The Planets” has a CD layer, and two SACD versions (stereo and 4.0 surround).
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* [[Release:b2c9ad13-ac65-494b-b9ee-9ec0a8e9b94c|The SACD release of Isao Tomita’s “The Planets”]] has a CD layer, and two alternate DSD audio tracks (stereo and 4.0 surround)
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* “[[release:1f9ccf61-7fd9-4c08-881f-04438a950d30|mood indigo]]” has one track less on the SACD layer
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===Unusual releases===
 
===Unusual releases===
  
;[[wikipedia:Record_changer#Automatic_sequencing|automatic-sequence]] double (or triple) albums:Some vinyl releases are designed for use on an automatic record changer. In these releases, all of the “top” sides are played, followed by all of the “bottom” sides. Letters should be assigned to the sides in play order, which may result in a strange displayed track order:
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;[[wikipedia:Record_changer#Automatic_sequencing|Automatic-sequence]] albums: Some multi-disc vinyl releases are designed for use on an automatic record changer. In these releases, typically all of the “top” sides are played, followed by all of the “bottom” sides. Letters should be assigned to the sides in play order, which may result in a strange displayed track order:
 
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:*A1
 
:*A1
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:*D1
 
:*D1
 
:*D2
 
:*D2
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:  
 
:*B1
 
:*B1
 
:*B2
 
:*B2
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:*C2
 
:*C2
  
;side in cat. no.: Some releases include the side as part of the catalog number on each side (e.g. 8326-A and 8326-B). In this case, just use the side indicator (e.g. "A" or "B")
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;side in cat. no.: Some releases include the side as part of the catalog number on each side (e.g. 8326-A and 8326-B). In this case, just use the side indicator (e.g. "A" or "B"). Do not use the matrix number as a side identifier.
  
 
;double A-side: Some releases have other unusual numbering. (e.g. double A-sides, side AA, side AAA) For these cases, use whatever is printed on the release.
 
;double A-side: Some releases have other unusual numbering. (e.g. double A-sides, side AA, side AAA) For these cases, use whatever is printed on the release.
  
;parallel grooves: Some vinyl records have several sets of parallel grooves. Treat them the same as alternate audio tracks, above. Ordering is left to the discretion of the editor and voters.
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;parallel grooves: Some vinyl records have several sets of parallel grooves. For these tracks, append a hash mark followed by the 'groove number' (e.g. B1#2). Ordering is left to the discretion of the editor and voters. Exception: releases with parallel grooves which have only one track per groove (i.e. one song) should be listed as if entirely un-ordered (tracks on first side should all be numbered ‘A’, second side should all be numbered ‘B’.)
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:'''Examples''': [[release:8c5503fd-392e-455a-8a1d-b9af6b0d6210|''Matching Tie and Handkerchief'' by Monty Python]], [[release:6b7ef10e-909d-45fa-ab18-8ac0ee66970e|Mad Magazine’s ''It’s a super-spectacular day'']]
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;single-sided disc: single-sided discs should use side identifier 'A' for all tracks, to discourage editors from assuming they are double-sided and 'correcting' them.

Latest revision as of 17:25, 17 May 2013


Status: This page describes an active style guideline proposal and is not official.



Proposal number: RFC-STYLE-121
Champion: Hawke
Current status: RFC



JIRA ticket STYLE-121

Guidelines

Typically tracks are numbered from 1..n. However, track numbers can be altered to more closely reflect Artist Intent, the specific release and details of sides, chapters and other groupings. The guidance below considers the circumstances where this is (or is not) appropriate.

Unordered tracklists

Some releases have no defined track order. For these releases, leave the track number blank.

Unnumbered tracks

If the track listing is entirely un-numbered, number them in order starting with one. (for CDs, they should match the actual CD track numbers.)

If only a few tracks are hidden (unlisted) or unnumbered, leave the track number blank for those tracks.

Sides

Medium sides should be indicated with a letter (A, B, C, etc.) before the track number.

For most releases this will be similar to A1, A2, A3 / B1, B2, B3.

If the numbering does not restart at 1, use the number on the release: A1, A2, A3 / B4, B5, B6.

For releases which have their own lettering format, follow the release: R01, R02, R03 / S04, S05, S06; A/AA, etc.

Some releases have no useful side indication (e.g. both sides printed as 'Side 2'). In this case, if there is a matrix number or other identifier which distinguishes them, treat the lower-sequenced one as side A. Failing that, follow the track order from another release in the same release group. As a last resort, choose one at random.

Examples

  • R de Rumba has its own lettering, and zero-pads the numbers.
  • This single has different catalog numbers on each side. The lower-numbered side is considered “Side A”

Sub-tracks

Some media have “Sub-tracks”. This applies to CD “indexes”, DVD “titles”/“chapters”, and 4 or 8-track cartridge “programs”, and is also common in production music to identify alternate versions of a track (e.g. a 30-second excerpt).

For these releases, separate the main track from the sub-track with a period: 1.1, 1.2, 2.1, 2.2.

Note Note: It is currently impossible to store CD indexes other than index 1 on each track, due to the way discIDs are tied to tracklists. Enter as one track, using multiple title style if applicable. Do not enter additional indexes as if they were tracks, even if no discID is attached yet.

DVDs

If there is only one title on a DVD, just use basic track numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.

If a DVD includes a tracklist which doesn’t include some chapters, follow the tracklist numbering. Leave any skipped chapters un-numbered.

Examples

Live by Apocalyptica has 18 chapters in the first title, “Live Concert”; the first chapter is unlisted on the cover and the menus and only plays if you choose “play all”.

Unusual releases

Automatic-sequence albums
Some multi-disc vinyl releases are designed for use on an automatic record changer. In these releases, typically all of the “top” sides are played, followed by all of the “bottom” sides. Letters should be assigned to the sides in play order, which may result in a strange displayed track order:
  • A1
  • A2
  • D1
  • D2
  • B1
  • B2
  • C1
  • C2
side in cat. no.
Some releases include the side as part of the catalog number on each side (e.g. 8326-A and 8326-B). In this case, just use the side indicator (e.g. "A" or "B"). Do not use the matrix number as a side identifier.
double A-side
Some releases have other unusual numbering. (e.g. double A-sides, side AA, side AAA) For these cases, use whatever is printed on the release.
parallel grooves
Some vinyl records have several sets of parallel grooves. For these tracks, append a hash mark followed by the 'groove number' (e.g. B1#2). Ordering is left to the discretion of the editor and voters. Exception: releases with parallel grooves which have only one track per groove (i.e. one song) should be listed as if entirely un-ordered (tracks on first side should all be numbered ‘A’, second side should all be numbered ‘B’.)
Examples: Matching Tie and Handkerchief by Monty Python, Mad Magazine’s It’s a super-spectacular day
single-sided disc
single-sided discs should use side identifier 'A' for all tracks, to discourage editors from assuming they are double-sided and 'correcting' them.