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* Editor:dmppanda uses it for everything while he doesn't like it
* Editor:dmppanda uses it for everything while he doesn't like it
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Hey there. Funny to find my name here, on top of the bad boys list :)-. I don't actually mind you freely interpret and represent what I think and do about Capitalization questions - be it "true" or not to what I actually think and do - as long as you don't mind keeping this note here, as readers may want to have a different truth, straight from the horse's mouth - errrrr panda's mouth: [[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]] has nothing to do with [[Capitalization Standard English|CapitalizationStandardEnglish]]. There's no "it": each language has its own set of rules. So, I suggest you keep the issues separated (actually, I don't have any kind of opinion about romanized japanese capitalization). Neither english or french cap are derived from "people's habits who are used to name their MP3 like this and they don't know why" ("not knowing why" being more your own situation as you stated above) - but, as clearly indicated (from the [[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]]), they are derived from typographic conventions and current usage at Wikipedia, who can hardly be regarded as people doing fUnNy thINgs. Both supporters and detractors of the current (french) SG have publicly admitted that typographic conventions are rich, have a lot of variants, and are not universally followed either way. If you take a look at a bookshelf, you will definitely find examples - so I guess your statement that you've never seen anything like that is... clearly an exageration :p - unless you're french ''and'' illiterate, which I'm '''sure''' you're not (illiterate that is :-)). As for your questions about their origin, I hope I addressed it just above (if not enough, hopefully, you can research things yourself now, and read typography related articles, at Wikipedia for example). During this summer discussion, it was suggested that we should follow the common practice in libraries. There, you will find one of the origin of some french capitalization rules: sorting. Now, about the supposed complexity of the rules, '''both''' the supporters and detractors admitted they were '''not''' complex (including some non-native)... I'm somewhat confused that we finally found someone thinking they are... Indeed, they are way simpler than english cap for example. Last, a slightly unrelated note: your "voting policy" doesn't mention that you first (before anything else) check if a release is there or not... I'm sure you do, and you possibly want to state that in your policy, don't you? -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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* Editor:Kerensky97 uses it for romanized Japanese ([[Edit:6621588|6621588]], …)
* Editor:Kerensky97 uses it for romanized Japanese ([[Edit:6621588|6621588]], …)


Revision as of 21:10, 27 March 2007

Languages : Français ; Fluent english ; Một số tiếng Việt.




My voting policy :-)

These are the simple habits I follow when I have only limited time to spend on MusicBrainz. If I have more time, I search evidence by myself and vote accordingly.

« Add release » edit

I instantly vote Yes if I have, as Edit notes, a direct link to official (artist's or label's homepage) page track-listing that is true to the MusicBrainz Release page.

If there is no Edit note at all or no link to legitimate page (However cool site, I don't consider freeDB trustworthy for valid information) I Abstain.

When there is no Edit notes, I may not click on the MusicBrainz Release. But if I do and I see a link to Amazon with similar track-listing, I may vote Yes anyway. But I usually prefer immediate and official information rather than commercial or fan information.

« Add relationship » and other edits

I vote Yes when I know it's true or if There is convincing explanation in Edit notes.

I vote No when I know it's wrong then I justify it with an Edit note and I'm open for new arguments.

An amazon track-listing has to be true to the MusicBrainz Release listing.

I Abstain when I don't know and there is no convincing explanation in Edit notes.

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Capitalisation

What

As dmppanda said, I don't Like This Odd and Funny Capitalization system (6608599). I wonder where it comes from in the beginning (From English language habits?). The version of Picard I have doesn't allow to override the uppercase/lowercase scheme so the way titles are named would impact me if I used MusiBrainz to tag files. It impacts everyone using MusicBrainz to tag in fact, having them to apply an Action in mp3tag afterwards for example.

Why

It makes reading uncomfortable, unpleasant, slower and it's aesthetically questionable.

Where

As long as this comes up only in english language I don't have my word to say because I am totally unaware of rules that are usually used in there. But when I see French With Those FunNy thIngs (CapitalizationStandardFrench), that makes me wonder… I am french and never used nor read this often except from people who are used to name their MP3 like this and they don't know why. I think it's even worse for romanised Japanese as Uppercase and Lowercase is something that doesn't exist in Japanese (CapitalizationStandardJapanese). I could at most understand Uppercase for カタカナ and lower case for the rest (ひらがな、漢字) or uppercase only for first letter of proper nouns and first letter of title.

What I advocate

Keep it simple (KISS).

CapitalizationStandardFrench

  • Use lowercase for every character except
    • First letter of the title is in UPPERCASE
    • First letter of proper nouns is in UPPERCASE

CapitalizationStandardJapanese

Same as CapitalizationStandardFrench or even simpler :) :

  • Use lowercase for every character except
    • カタカナ is in UPPERCASE

Who

I respect everyone's point of view (I am myself, a real pain), I just put here this list to remember everyone's :) It's a personal interpretation of editors intention based on one or more edits or statements I came across so I may be all wrong (thanks Editor:murdos for making me realize this ;) ).

Editors who use Funny Capitalization (I mean no offense)
  • Editor:dmppanda uses it for everything while he doesn't like it
  • Hey there. Funny to find my name here, on top of the bad boys list :)-. I don't actually mind you freely interpret and represent what I think and do about Capitalization questions - be it "true" or not to what I actually think and do - as long as you don't mind keeping this note here, as readers may want to have a different truth, straight from the horse's mouth - errrrr panda's mouth: CapitalizationStandardFrench has nothing to do with CapitalizationStandardEnglish. There's no "it": each language has its own set of rules. So, I suggest you keep the issues separated (actually, I don't have any kind of opinion about romanized japanese capitalization). Neither english or french cap are derived from "people's habits who are used to name their MP3 like this and they don't know why" ("not knowing why" being more your own situation as you stated above) - but, as clearly indicated (from the CapitalizationStandardFrench), they are derived from typographic conventions and current usage at Wikipedia, who can hardly be regarded as people doing fUnNy thINgs. Both supporters and detractors of the current (french) SG have publicly admitted that typographic conventions are rich, have a lot of variants, and are not universally followed either way. If you take a look at a bookshelf, you will definitely find examples - so I guess your statement that you've never seen anything like that is... clearly an exageration :p - unless you're french and illiterate, which I'm sure you're not (illiterate that is :-)). As for your questions about their origin, I hope I addressed it just above (if not enough, hopefully, you can research things yourself now, and read typography related articles, at Wikipedia for example). During this summer discussion, it was suggested that we should follow the common practice in libraries. There, you will find one of the origin of some french capitalization rules: sorting. Now, about the supposed complexity of the rules, both the supporters and detractors admitted they were not complex (including some non-native)... I'm somewhat confused that we finally found someone thinking they are... Indeed, they are way simpler than english cap for example. Last, a slightly unrelated note: your "voting policy" doesn't mention that you first (before anything else) check if a release is there or not... I'm sure you do, and you possibly want to state that in your policy, don't you? -- dmppanda 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Editor:Kerensky97 uses it for romanized Japanese (6621588, …)
Editors who don't like it (besides me)
Editors who want further discussion to find a consensus

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  • MLL (fr) from whom I stole the profile layout — he said I was a thief — True :)
  • mo (no) who is great knowledge and advice
  • rowaasr13 (ru) with whom I had some nice arguments ;)

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