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== Some MB stuff ==
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=285909 MusicBrainz profile]
* [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=315 Forums profile]
* [http://last.fm/user/jesus2099 last.fm/user/jesus2099]
* [http://shamo.fr/jesus2099 shamo.fr/jesus2099]


* [[/Concert DVD ripping]] ([http://hydrogenaud.io/forums hydrogenaudio] and [http://forum.doom9.org doom9] also contain cool ripping advice and tools)
Languages :
* [[/Merge Into Oldest MBID]] — Why keeping oldest MBID? and How to spot oldest MBID?
* [[Moderator Language/French/Native|Français 86%]] I am native French (Oui madame)
* [[/Taped music in concerts]] a draft for my position on an ongoing discussion (edit notes, IRC) that should come to the STYLE forums when I have time to consolidate it (to focus on mainstream latin name artists for instance)
* [[Moderator Language/English/Fluent|English 60%]] I know a bit more than just « ''My tailor is rich'' » or so do I pretend
* [[/Bad Enhanced CD Extra Disc ID TOC]] (how to fix…)
* [[Moderator Language/Vietnamese/Some|Tiếng Việt 18%]] Only basic++ stuff « ''Chào bạn. Bạn ăn cơm chưa?'' »
* [[Merge Rather Than Delete]] ←→ [https://musicbrainz.org/edit/33217974#note-33217974-4 Delete Rather Than Merge]
* [[Moderator Language/Japanese/Some|日本語 01%]] as in « ''Uh! What did you just say?'' » [http://translation.infoseek.co.jp/?ac=Text&lng=en&original=%E7%A7%81%E3%81%AE%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E3%81%AE%E3%83%AC%E3%83%99%E3%83%AB%E3%81%AF%E3%80%81%E3%81%8A%E3%82%88%E3%81%9D%EF%BC%90%EF%BC%91%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BB%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%E3%80%82&selector=1 私の日本語のレベルは、およそ01パーセントです。]
* The [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=22084#p22084 '''N'''ew '''L'''abel '''S'''ystem] (NLS)
* [https://community.metabrainz.org/t/problems-with-isrc-batch-add/158976/2?u=jesus2099 MASS ISRC bookmarklet] ([https://github.com/kepstin/magicisrc/pull/2#issuecomment-254759565 tutorial]): <code>javascript:var mbid=location.pathname.match(/^\/release\/([a-f0-9]{8}-[a-f0-9]{4}-[a-f0-9]{4}-[a-f0-9]{4}-[a-f0-9]{12})/);if(mbid)void(open("https://rawgit.com/jesus2099/kepstin_magicisrc/%25231-support-pasting-multiple-isrcs/index.html?mbid="+mbid[1]));</code>


==About==


== Me in MB ==
I think I came to a point where I wonder what is MB really useful for. The [http://metabrainz.org/about/annualreport2006/ MetaBrainz Foundation Annual Report 2006] made me wonder what so much money were really spent for. I came here to catalog my CDs somehow and to maybe one day tag some mp3, but I just realized that if that's what I want, I won't be very satisfied with this or [http://rateyourmusic.com/~jesus2099 that] (2 personal vain attempts in my opinion). I just can make my html page somewhere or why even cataloging my CD in the first place ? As for tagging mp3, I realize I still [http://mp3tag.de tag them by hand].


* [//musicbrainz.org/user/jesus2099 editor №285909]
SO, now I come here to fix some common french mistakes and to input some vietnamese when I can.
* [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=315 forum]
* [http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/query?reporter=jesus2099 trac]
* [http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/secure/IssueNavigator!executeAdvanced.jspa?clear=true&runQuery=true&jqlQuery=reporter+%3D+jesus2099+ORDER+BY+created+DESC%2C+key+DESC jira]
* [[/jira|jira pile]]


== … outside MB ==
I don't really know why but I have a fondness for [http://unicode.org unicode] [http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelPad.html characters]. I think it's somehow the greatest improvement in computers of these last years. So it's maybe for this reason that I like it to replace those french mistakes like ''coeur'' to ''cœur''. I made a special windows keyboard ''driver'' to type all the french special characters because, unfortunately, only canadian keyboards have them.


* [//last.fm/user/jesus2099 last.fm]
It may be the same ''passion'' for accuracy and cool characters, and above all, to improve my vietnamese, that I like to add missing accents on vietnamese song titles and artist names.
* [//github.com/jesus2099/konami-command my user scripts]


== JIS to Unicode mappings ==
Well if each editor has a personal motivation, however strange, but it makes the [[MusicBrainz]] move on forward — even just a little — I think it's OK. I'm now making small steps forward trying not to make any backwards.


* 波ダッシュ → 〜 (WAVE DASH) http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/波ダッシュ#Unicode.E3.81.AB.E9.96.A2.E9.80.A3.E3.81.99.E3.82.8B.E5.95.8F.E9.A1.8C
==AutoEditor==
* 全角ダッシュ → — (EM DASH) http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ダッシュ_(記号)#.E5.85.A8.E8.A7.92.E3.83.80.E3.83.83.E3.82.B7.E3.83.A5.E3.81.AE.E3.83.9E.E3.83.83.E3.83.94.E3.83.B3.E3.82.B0.E5.95.8F.E9.A1.8C


== Some good editing resource ==
I had the surprise to [http://musicbrainz.org/user/election/show.html?id=120 be proposed] as an [[Auto-Editor|AutoEditor]] by [[User:Kerensky97|Kerensky97]].


# '''actual releases'''
I had already thought about whether I would like to be one or not and I came to the conclusion that I was too much capricious, stubborn and that I had very personal point of views too often to be a good [[Auto-Editor|AutoEditor]]. Indeed, here is my thank message to Kerensky97 and to [[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]] and Editor:jellyfish who both later seconded his proposal.
# '''photos of releases''' search [http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=%BB%B3%B8%FD%C9%B4%B7%C3+%B0%A6%C0%F7%B6%B6+EP&auccat=22152&submit=%B8%A1%BA%F7&alocale=0jp&acc=jp ヤフオク!]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Thank you very much for your trust. I fear I am too partial to be an autoeditor. I might irritate some people. Or I can only autoedit some basic stuff! Is that how it works? Let's see :) Maybe you'd want to read what I wrote in the wiki about my editings: ''link to this page'' Thank you again. Tristan
# '''OHP''' ('''o'''fficial '''h'''ome'''p'''age) of artist or label, for the whole release information release date etc.
</ul>
# no-CCCD versions re-release dates http://nocccd.noihjp.com
# '''JASRAC''' for '''credits''' http://www2.jasrac.or.jp/eJwid/ (title search: <code>http://www2.jasrac.or.jp/eJwid/main.jsp?trxID=A00401-3</code> POST <code>IN_DEFAULT_WORKS_KOUHO_MAX=100&IN_DEFAULT_WORKS_KOUHO_SEQ=1&CMD_SEARCH=﷐8C﷐9F﷐8D﷐F5&IN_WORKS_CD=&IN_ISWC=&IN_WORKS_TITLE_OPTION1=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_NAME1=%s&IN_WORKS_TITLE_TYPE1=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_CONDITION=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_OPTION2=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_NAME2=&IN_WORKS_TITLE_TYPE2=0&IN_KEN_NAME_OPTION1=0&IN_KEN_NAME1=&IN_KEN_NAME_JOB1=0&IN_KEN_NAME_CONDITION=0&IN_KEN_NAME_OPTION2=0&IN_KEN_NAME2=&IN_KEN_NAME_JOB2=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME_OPTION1=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME1=&IN_ARTIST_NAME_CONDITION=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME_OPTION2=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME2=&IN_DEFAULT_SEARCH_WORKS_NAIGAI=0&RESULT_CURRENT_PAGE=1</code>)
# http://www.minc.gr.jp/db/ contains both official ISRC database and almost complete JASRAC mirror (catalogue search: <code>̉javascript:c="%s";if(c.indexOf("-")>0){c=c.split("-");self.location.href="http://www.minc.gr.jp/db/AlbInfo.aspx?CAT1="+c[0]+"&CAT2="+c[1]}</code>)
# '''Joshin web''' for '''JAN''' -100% trust but now only contains non out of print (catalogue search: <code>http://joshinweb.jp/cdshops/Dps?KEY=RECODE&FM=0&KEYWORD=%s</code>)


(bad japanese from [http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19387852 edit:19387852])
So whenever I would come to be promoted as such, I think I would restrict my AutoEdits to simple tasks for which I am sure not to irritate anybody and not to come in conflict with any StyleGuide or pending ones. Like correcting french orthograph (of words containing œ, Œ) and things like that. AutoEdit those minimalistic things would also stop flooding the edit queue as well.


<pre>本当のレコードやレコードの写真から役に立つ情報を集めてください。
And I have little time also.
そんな公式じゃないサイト、たとえばamazonやdiscogsなどは少しあぶないんです。(^_^;)</pre>


== Computer CD drives ==
Thank you again for your trust. :)


For the record and for what it's worth, here are my current and past CD drives.
----


* '''TSSTcorp - CDDVDW SE-S204N''' (external USB Samsung DVD±W burner) https://musicbrainz.org/edit/66694078
* <del>Internal Lenovo slim DVD±W burner</del>

* Internal NEC DVD±W burner
You can pretty much ignore everything below this line. I will make some ''big spring cleaning'' as we say in France.

==My voting policy :-)==

These are the simple habits I follow when I have only limited time to spend on [[MusicBrainz]]. If I have more time, I search evidence by myself and vote accordingly.

===« Add release » edit===

If I see a duplicate, it's a '''No'''.

I instantly vote '''Yes''' if I have, as ''Edit notes'', a '''direct''' link to '''official''' (artist's or label's homepage) page track-listing that is true to the [[MusicBrainz]] ''Release'' page.

If there is no ''Edit note'' at all or no link to legitimate page (However cool site, I don't consider [http://freedb.org freeDB] trustworthy for valid information) I '''Abstain'''.

When there is no ''Edit notes'', I may not click on the [[MusicBrainz]] ''Release''. But if I do and I see a link to Amazon with similar track-listing, I may vote '''Yes''' anyway. But I usually prefer immediate and official information rather than commercial or fan information.

===« Add relationship » and other edits===

I vote '''Yes''' when I ''know'' it's true or if There is convincing explanation in '''Edit notes'''.

I vote '''No''' when I ''know'' it's wrong then I justify it with an '''Edit note''' and I'm open for new arguments.

An amazon track-listing has to be true to the [[MusicBrainz]] ''Release'' listing.

I '''Abstain''' when I don't know and there is no convincing explanation in ''Edit notes''.

==Mémo +==

[[Moin Moin Wiki Syntax|MusicBrainz]]'s [http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnEditing MoinMoin] syntax chart :
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| ✖ || ✖ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>[wiki:Artist:1f245b43-f9ba-4d02-a70b-cd08a99cd1c9 AJICO]</nowiki></code> || [[Artist:1f245b43-f9ba-4d02-a70b-cd08a99cd1c9|AJICO]]
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| ✖ || ✖ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>[wiki:Album:1f7cc2e1-553a-40dd-b81e-256b3b7b733b 深緑]</nowiki></code> || [[Album:1f7cc2e1-553a-40dd-b81e-256b3b7b733b|深緑]]
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| ✖ || ✖ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>[wiki:Track:641e5a82-6b40-4a2a-a4fa-e2344c07a801 波動]</nowiki></code> || [[Track:641e5a82-6b40-4a2a-a4fa-e2344c07a801|波動]]
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| ? || ? || ✔ || <code><nowiki>[wiki:Label:f31e1603-a456-4397-950e-e1a051487f75 Victor Entertainment]</nowiki></code> || [[Label:f31e1603-a456-4397-950e-e1a051487f75|Victor Entertainment]]
|-
| ✖ || ✖ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>Editor:dmppanda</nowiki></code> || [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]]
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| ✖ || ✔ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>Edit:123456</nowiki></code> || [[Edit:123456|123456]]
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| ✖ || ✖ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>Ticket:1040</nowiki></code> || [[Ticket:1040|1040]]
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| ✖ || ✖ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>Doc:MusicBrainzBio</nowiki></code> || [[Doc:MusicBrainzBio|MusicBrainzBio]]
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| ✖ || ✖ || ✔ || <code><nowiki>MBWiki:FoundingMemberDatesQuestion</nowiki></code> || [[MBWiki:FoundingMemberDatesQuestion|FoundingMemberDatesQuestion]]
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===Edit notes templates===

====MultipleTitleStyle====

Useful for liên khúc ([[Medley Style|MedleyStyle]]) or hidden songs ([[Multiple Title Style|MultipleTitleStyle]]) <pre>Several songs in a track →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-multiple-names
Several titles →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-multiple-names
</pre>

====Tranliteration edit note====

<pre>Pseudo-release for Transliterations and Translations →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#albumattrguide-attr-status-Pseudo-Release
</pre>

====A&B edit note====

<pre>Collaboration →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-feat-artist-sec
</pre>

====bonus disc edit note====

<pre>Bonus disc 2 →http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DiscNumberStyle
</pre>

====Amazon gp/prd edit note====

<pre>exec/obidos→gp/product
</pre>

====Useless aliases edit note====

<pre>Unaccented alias or sortname not needed anymore http://musicbrainz.org/doc/EditingFAQ#head-a2da711027614cf1a3cc602516b6a6301a5d9051 http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=890#p890
</pre>

====Dico fr====

<pre>http://babylon.com/definition/chœur/
http://babylon.com/definition/cœur/
http://babylon.com/definition/être/
http://babylon.com/definition/œil/
http://babylon.com/definition/œuf/
http://babylon.com/definition/sœur/
</pre>

====Noms de langues, religions, gens, etc.====

<pre>Gens(People): Maj ; langues(tongues) & religions: min →http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_des_majuscules_en_français#Langues.2C_gentil.C3.A9s.2C_pays_et_nationalit.C3.A9s
</pre>

===Caractères utiles===

<pre>← →
\_/ ̄
« » 〝 〞 〟 & … ※ 〜 ≈ ±
‹ › 〈 〉 《 》 「・」 『 』 【 】 〔 〕 〖 〗 〘 〙 〚 〛
♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
œ Œ æ Æ α β
Ā ā Ī ī Ū ū Ē ē Ō ō
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Ⅰ Ⅱ Ⅲ Ⅳ Ⅴ Ⅵ Ⅶ Ⅷ Ⅸ Ⅹ Ⅺ Ⅻ Ⅼ Ⅽ Ⅾ Ⅿ
❶ ❷ ❸ ❹ ❺ ❻ ❼ ❽ ❾ ❿
➀ ➁ ➂ ➃ ➄ ➅ ➆ ➇ ➈ ➉
➊ ➋ ➌ ➍ ➎ ➏ ➐ ➑ ➒ ➓
⓪ ① ② ③ ④ ⑤ ⑥ ⑦ ⑧ ⑨ ⑩ ⑪ ⑫ ⑬ ⑭ ⑮ ⑯ ⑰ ⑱ ⑲ ⑳
Ⓐ Ⓑ Ⓒ Ⓓ Ⓔ Ⓕ Ⓖ Ⓗ Ⓘ Ⓙ Ⓚ Ⓛ Ⓜ Ⓝ Ⓞ Ⓟ Ⓠ Ⓡ Ⓢ Ⓣ Ⓤ Ⓥ Ⓦ Ⓧ Ⓨ Ⓩ
ⓐ ⓑ ⓒ ⓓ ⓔ ⓕ ⓖ ⓗ ⓘ ⓙ ⓚ ⓛ ⓜ ⓝ ⓞ ⓟ ⓠ ⓡ ⓢ ⓣ ⓤ ⓥ ⓦ ⓧ ⓨ ⓩ
</pre>

~+⁽⁺⁻⁼⁾⁰¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹ⁿ₍₊₋₌₎₀₁₂₃₄₅₆₇₈₉ ¼ ½ ¾ ⅓ ⅔ ⅕ ⅖ ⅗ ⅘ ⅙ ⅚ ⅛ ⅜ ⅝ ⅞ ⅟ ‰ ⁄+~

==To do==

===Artist relationships===

* Put collaboration artists on tracks of [[Album:4a647423-391a-40e7-b56d-32d272d93471|Nephews]] according to [http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/ua/uauaua/release/album/61747.html the official listing]
* Put writers/composers on [[Album:2d62c71c-7437-497b-916c-d045b892f06b|空の小屋 (disc 1)]] and [[Album:5a9c1cb7-293b-4acf-a452-4040aaacca76|空の小屋 (disc 2)]] tracks

===Tiếng Việt===

Finnish tiếng Việt fix of ''incomplete'' tiếng Việt in following American releases — I have started for tracks for which it's easy only.
* [[Album:32884e6c-b8b6-450f-bba9-51dc5c67e6a0|The Music of Vietnam, Vol.1.1]] (there must be other volumes to check too)
* [[Album:d3e09ff9-c12f-47be-adc0-aad0715b3aec|Folk Songs of Vietnam]] [http://www.limsi.fr/Individu/dang/webvn/nhac1vn.pdf lời nhạc!]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">1 Hát hội [trăng rằm] , Hát hỏi ? 3 [http://www.vietsky.com/music/song.php?id=1731&top=yes Gió đánh đò đưa] ? 6 ? 7 ? 9 Lý chè hường (thé (n) parfumé) ?
</ul>

[http://chimvie2.free.fr/amnhac/danca01.htm Dân ca] [http://chimvie2.free.fr/amnhac/baihat01.htm Những bài hát] [http://vietsky.com ViệtSky] [http://dataframe.ubtdtt.gov.vn/Default.aspx?tabid=65 ubtdtt] [http://www.go2viet.com/display.asp?bar=2&ProductId=9863&inc=itemdetail Một đĩa dân ca] [http://www.limsi.fr/Individu/dang/webvn/nhacvn.pdf nhacvn.pdf] [http://www.limsi.fr/Individu/dang/webvn/nhac1vn.pdf nhac1vn.pdf]

===French===

* oe → œ
** Look for releases with [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=choeur&type=release&limit=0&handlearguments=1 chœur] [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=coeur&type=release&limit=0&handlearguments=1 cœur] [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=oeil&type=release&limit=0&handlearguments=1 œil] [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=oeuf&type=release&limit=0&handlearguments=1 œuf] [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=soeur&type=release&limit=0&handlearguments=1 sœur]
** Look for tracks with [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=oeil&type=track&limit=0&handlearguments=1 œil] [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=oeuf&type=track&limit=0&handlearguments=1 œuf] [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=soeur&type=track&limit=0&handlearguments=1 sœur] [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=coeur&type=track&limit=0&handlearguments=1 cœur]

===Search edits===

* [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?automod=&mod_type=16&moderator_id=224057&moderator_type=5&voter_type=0&voter_id=29366&artist_type=0&orderby=desc&mod_language=448&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0 add release + not me + newest 1st + vi]
* [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&automod=&moderator_type=5&moderator_id=224057&voter_type=0&voter_id=29366&vote_cast=-2&artist_type=0&orderby=asc&mod_language=448&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0 open + not me + not voted + oldest 1st + vi]
* [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&automod=&moderator_type=5&moderator_id=224057&voter_type=0&voter_id=29366&vote_cast=-2&artist_type=0&orderby=asc&mod_language=198&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0 open + not me + not voted + oldest 1st + ja]
* [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&automod=&moderator_type=5&moderator_id=224057&voter_type=0&voter_id=29366&vote_cast=-2&artist_type=0&orderby=asc&mod_language=134&minid=&maxid=&isreset=0 open + not me + not voted + oldest 1st + fr]

==Hot topics==

===Capitalisation===

====What====

As dmppanda said, I don't Like '''This Odd and Funny Capitalization''' system ([[Edit:6608599|6608599]]). I wonder where it comes from in the beginning (From English language habits?). The version of Picard I have doesn't allow to override the uppercase/lowercase scheme so the way titles are named would impact me if I used [[MusicBrainz]] to tag files. It impacts everyone using [[MusicBrainz]] to tag in fact, having them to apply an '''Action''' in [http://mp3tag.de mp3tag] afterwards for example.

====Why====

It makes '''reading uncomfortable''', '''unpleasant''', '''slower''' and it's '''aesthetically questionable'''.

====Where====

As long as this comes up only in english language I don't have my word to say because I am totally unaware of rules that are usually used in there. But when I see French With Those FunNy thIngs ([[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]]), that makes me wonder… I am french and never used nor read this often except from people who are used to name their MP3 like this and they don't know why. I think it's even worse for romanised Japanese as Uppercase and Lowercase is something that doesn't exist in Japanese ([[Capitalization Standard Japanese|CapitalizationStandardJapanese]]). I could at most understand Uppercase for カタカナ and lower case for the rest (ひらがな、漢字) or uppercase only for first letter of proper nouns and first letter of title.

====What I advocate====

Keep it simple ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle KISS]).

[[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]]
* Use lowercase for every character except
** First letter of the title is in UPPERCASE
** First letter of proper nouns is in UPPERCASE

[[Capitalization Standard Japanese|CapitalizationStandardJapanese]]

Same as [[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]] or even simpler :) :
* Use lowercase for every character except
** カタカナ is in UPPERCASE

====Who====

I respect everyone's point of view (I am myself, a real pain), I just put here this list to remember everyone's :) It's a personal interpretation of editors intention based on one or more edits or statements I came across so I may be all wrong (thanks Editor:murdos for making me realize this ;) ).

=====Editors who use Funny Capitalization (I mean no offense)=====

* Editor:dmppanda uses it for everything while he doesn't like it
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Hey there. Funny to find my name here, on top of the bad boys list :)-. I don't actually mind you freely interpret and represent what I think and do about Capitalization questions - be it "true" or not to what I actually think and do - as long as you don't mind keeping this note here, as readers may want to have a different truth, straight from the horse's mouth - errrrr panda's mouth: [[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]] has nothing to do with [[Capitalization Standard English|CapitalizationStandardEnglish]]. There's no "it": each language has its own set of rules. So, I suggest you keep the issues separated (actually, I don't have any kind of opinion about romanized japanese capitalization). Neither english or french cap are derived from "people's habits who are used to name their MP3 like this and they don't know why" ("not knowing why" being more your own situation as you stated above) - but, as clearly indicated (from the [[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]]), they are derived from typographic conventions and current usage at Wikipedia, who can hardly be regarded as people doing fUnNy thINgs. Both supporters and detractors of the current (french) SG have publicly admitted that typographic conventions are rich, have a lot of variants, and are not universally followed either way. If you take a look at a bookshelf, you will definitely find examples - so I guess your statement that you've never seen anything like that is... clearly an exageration :p - unless you're french ''and'' illiterate, which I'm '''sure''' you're not (illiterate that is :-)). As for your questions about their origin, I hope I addressed it just above (if not enough, hopefully, you can research things yourself now, and read typography related articles, at Wikipedia for example). During this summer discussion, it was suggested that we should follow the common practice in libraries. There, you will find one of the origin of some french capitalization rules: sorting. Now, about the supposed complexity of the rules, '''both''' the supporters and detractors admitted they were '''not''' complex (including some non-native)... I'm somewhat confused that we finally found someone thinking they are... Indeed, they are way simpler than english cap for example. Last, a slightly unrelated note: your "voting policy" doesn't mention that you first (before anything else) check if a release is there or not... I'm sure you do, and you possibly want to state that in your policy, don't you? -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">You're welcome here Panda! Thanks! For the duplicate check : No I did not do that. In fact I never thought someone could think of inserting a duplicate release, I realise it could happen not sooner than today with the [[Edit:6606479|6606479]]. Thanks for pointing this out :) – Well yes you found someone who thinks 15 lines of rules and exceptions were more complex than the simple 3 lines rule I ''wrote'' above :) – No I'm not illiterate :) In fact, I checked my books for the first time right now and I found very few FuNNy CaPPeD ones... I even found 2 books in the same serie that use different system (same collection same everything) « Les fourmis » and « Le Jour des fourmis »... Why « Jour » (2nd book) and not « Fourmis » (1st book)... By the way, I'm so relieved that my favourite book is printed the perfect way « La main gauche de la nuit » ;) – ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 0:36
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Probably because the (cheap) publisher hired two different typographers and/or couldn't be bothered to be consistent. '''Fortunately''', libraries and serious online resources '''like Wikipedia''', use a standardized capitalization. Look at: [[[Image:pho1_172708.jpg]] this] is your favorite book... which sure appears as this on Wikipedia... [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Main_gauche_de_la_nuit La Main gauche de la nuit]. Funny, hey? :-) . -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 08:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I think I sound like a stuborn but most of my book titles are good looking, like « [http://shamo.fr/jesus2099/blog/2004/01/la-main-gauche-de-la-nuit.html La main…] ». BTW I don't know of foreigners who can spot a ''substantif'' or a ''qualificatif'' in a french title… Well I know what to do for the moment : I stick to Vietnamese releases and some Japanese where there is not yet El33t STyLe titling — Yes I love pestering you with this FunNy cApS 7h|Ng ;) ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 14:49 (France)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Ok... so you have the "Livre de poche" edition, right? So, would you actually trust the publisher catalog? (as we all know "covers" are not consistent between different editions, especially covers with fancy fonts) - then here you go: [http://www.livredepoche.com/Livre_De_Poche/_FindArticleServlet?IdArticle=211994&TXT_LANGUE=francais "La Main gauche de la nuit", on the publisher website]... -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 13:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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* Editor:Kerensky97 uses it for romanized Japanese ([[Edit:6621588|6621588]], …)

=====Editors who don't like it (besides me)=====

* Editor:mll ([[Edit:6541497|6541497]])

=====Editors who want further discussion to find a consensus=====

* Editor:murdos ([[Edit:6603788|6603788]] + [[Edit:6058154|6058154]])

I absolutely fail to understand how any of these edits you link to (both Editor:mll and Editor:murdos edits) demonstrate a dislike/like of [[Capitalization Standard French|CapitalizationStandardFrench]]... -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 11:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Because both [[Edit:6603788|6603788]] and [[Edit:6541497|6541497]] are simplifications which are similar to ''my 3 line simple CAP rule''. Anyway, this section is temporary because I don't really understand its usefulness myself apart from (me) having a bit of reflection at some time… ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 14:49 (France)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Well... that sounds also very similar to the 5 lines cap rules we have... Go sentence case most time... unless you meet one of the following cases (and none of these edits deal with any of the specific cases). -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 13:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Yes it's exactly what I mean by complex : « Do this. Unless you are in one of those 5 exceptions » ;-D j2 20070328_1624
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">You know, all things can't be simple in life, sometimes you have to met more complex things... this is how humankind has evolved :p BTW if you have difficulty with 5 exceptions, you should have some difficulty with French tongue too with ALL its exceptions (e.g. with [http://www.francaisfacile.com/exercices/exercice-francais-2/exercice-francais-18015.php plural forms] : plural of word in 'ou' are the word + 's' '''unless''' the word is ''bijou'', ''caillou'', ...), no? ;-) -- [[User:murdos|murdos]] 15:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Yes :) (j2)
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==Random links==

===Some nice users===

* [[User:Kerensky97|Kerensky97]] who [http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/175413/_/2573539 introduced me to MB] and who is great advice
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">MB : [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=Kerensky97 Kerensky97] [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=131242 open edits] — Forums : [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=17 Kerensky97] [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/search.php?action=show_user&user_id=17 all posts]
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* [[User:kuno|kuno]] (nl) who reads 한글 and who codes [http://hello-cms.org Hello! CMS]
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">MB : [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=kuno kuno] [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=95821 open edits] — Forums : [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=65 kuno] [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/search.php?action=show_user&user_id=65 all posts]
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* [[User:MLL|MLL]] (fr) from whom I stole the profile layout — he said I was a thief — True :)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">MB : [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=mll mll] [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=63118 open edits] — Forums : [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=112 mll] [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/search.php?action=show_user&user_id=112 all posts]
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* [[User:mo|mo]] (no) who is great knowledge and advice
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">MB : [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=mo mo] [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=38393 open edits] — Forums : [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=18 ZaphodBeeblebrox] [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/search.php?action=show_user&user_id=18 all posts]
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* [[User:murdos|murdos]] (fr) who appreciated my "oe" → "œ" batch as well as [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=cadalach cadalach] ([[Edit:6233628|6233628]])
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">MB : [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=murdos murdos] [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=29366 open edits] So, now I know where this frenzy came from. ;) -- [[mll]] 20:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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* [[User:rowaasr13|rowaasr13]] (ru) with whom I had some nice arguments ;)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">MB : [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=rowaasr13 rowaasr13] [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=126407 open edits] — Forums : [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=83 rowaasr13] [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/search.php?action=show_user&user_id=83 all posts]
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* [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] (fr) who is very vigilant on some topics ;)
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">MB : [http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=dmppanda dmppanda] [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=221793 open edits] — Forums : [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/profile.php?id=105 Mangled] [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/search.php?action=show_user&user_id=105 all posts]
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===Edits of note===

* [[Edit:6153046|6153046]] [http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-feat-artist-sec Collaboration between Artist A & Artist B] is better than [http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-feat-artist (feat. …)] when there is no primary/secondary artist — [[Edit:6599211|6599211]]
* [[Edit:6179518|6179518]] Online releases (must allow) :/
* [[Edit:6194551|6194551]] Putting links to related edits in edit notes is nice
* [[Edit:6194577|6194577]] English and native Wikipedia are enough, aren't they? — [[Wikipedia Relationship Type|WikipediaRelationshipType]] [[Edit:2836695|2836695]] [[Edit:3359136|3359136]] [[Edit:3448648|3448648]]
* [[Edit:6224303|6224303]] For each collaboration artist "A & B", create "B & A" alias
* [[Edit:6224311|6224311]] Unaccentuated aliases become useless due to cool [http://lucene.apache.org lucene search engine]
* [[Edit:6303572|6303572]] Cool multi-song track from Various Artists — [[Edit:6442814|6442814]]
* [[Edit:6374131|6374131]] Good idea to put garbage in alias for garbage players to find correct artists — [[Misencoding FAQ|MisencodingFAQ]]
* [[Edit:6383630|6383630]] Nice bonus disc title style — [[Disc Number Style|DiscNumberStyle]] [[Edit:6599157|6599157]]
* [[Edit:6383696|6383696]] In my opinion, people's identity is defined by the birth name + first name pair. Marital name should be an alias — [[Edit:6383703|6383703]] [[Edit:6598638|6598638]] Or better maybe, marital AR when it exists
* [[Edit:6394220|6394220]] Last time I don't vote Abstain on undocumented edits
* [[Edit:6463562|6463562]] Interesting to point out that Picard doesn't submit terminal [data] tracks. Hopefully it does submit starting [data] tracks
* [[Edit:6589760|6589760]] Vraiment Moche Toutes Ces Majuscules ''On'' ne Sait pas Où en Plus!
* [[Edit:6599157|6599157]] Another ''complex'' title - Strange Panda sometimes
* [[Edit:6599211|6599211]] Respect the sleeve indications concerning (feat. …)
* [[Edit:6604220|6604220]] Should choose a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese Romanization of Japanese system]
* [[Edit:6629119|6629119]] Yes vote to an partially correct release
* [[Edit:6631648|6631648]] Avoid [Multiple languages]
* [[Edit:6636674|6636674]] Gens : Maj. ; Langues & religions : min. ([http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_des_majuscules_en_français#Langues.2C_gentil.C3.A9s.2C_pays_et_nationalit.C3.A9s Usage des majuscules en français])
* [[Edit:6641503|6641503]] used for checking the marvelous MB MoinMoin syntax chart
* [[Edit:6659666|6659666]] along with [[Edit:6659626|6659626]] no more trouble — cease interference with other's caps edits in most cases
* [[Edit:6656802|6656802]] Don't be too much for Lucene. It's OK with fancy accentuated characters but not too fancy characters like Fraction "⁄" (2044) bar in this case
* [[Edit:6664624|6664624]] A maybe good argument for changing homepage URL from complex URL to simple domains (that may link to the complex URL anyway) Same here [[Edit:6672957|6672957]]
* [[Edit:6708751|6708751]] ポリドール・レコード [[Edit:6708822|6708822]] Polydor Records (alias) [[Edit:6708830|6708830]] Created in 1927 – Polydor Japan label [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?object_type=label&orderby=desc&object_id=2051 not wanted]. Now avoid creating any, just use random existing similar label name instead.
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">There is only one thing that is not wanted, and it is approximative editing, try-and-guess label creation, and random assumptions about label status, name and existence. Such editing behavior will always meet resistance (at least) from me, and is very likely to generate no votes and comments. Anything else will get happy yes votes. Pretending you're meeting undue resistance to try hide the fact your edits are less than accurate is IMHO just lame and clearly disrespectful. Please note that your last sentence ("Now avoid creating any, just use random existing similar label name instead") will grant you additional no votes as well, and will badly hurt your credibility as an editor: if this is your new leitmotiv (and this sounds like something I already heard from you), fair enough - but don't expect sympathy. As you mentioned in one of the edit notes, it's bad for you that [[MusicBrainz]] is actually causing you troubles in your professional life. That doesn't mean your fellow editors have to suffer your bad mood. Now, you have the choice to be a good editor (and you'll receive all the help and support that can be). You also have the choice to be a pain and a sloppy editor (and no acid notes like this one will help in hiding that). Take your pick. I sincerely hope it will be the first choice. -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 08:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
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* [[Edit:6725486|6725486]] Merging [[Artist:5c5cb762-d95e-47af-a7bf-35171eeab8e6|鄧麗君]] and [[Artist:5550c590-b241-4b46-b138-60f258cfe4dd|テレサ・テン]] or not?


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Some MB stuff


Me in MB

… outside MB

JIS to Unicode mappings

Some good editing resource

  1. actual releases
  2. photos of releases search ヤフオク!
  3. OHP (official homepage) of artist or label, for the whole release information release date etc.
  4. no-CCCD versions re-release dates http://nocccd.noihjp.com
  5. JASRAC for credits http://www2.jasrac.or.jp/eJwid/ (title search: http://www2.jasrac.or.jp/eJwid/main.jsp?trxID=A00401-3 POST IN_DEFAULT_WORKS_KOUHO_MAX=100&IN_DEFAULT_WORKS_KOUHO_SEQ=1&CMD_SEARCH=﷐8C﷐9F﷐8D﷐F5&IN_WORKS_CD=&IN_ISWC=&IN_WORKS_TITLE_OPTION1=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_NAME1=%s&IN_WORKS_TITLE_TYPE1=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_CONDITION=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_OPTION2=0&IN_WORKS_TITLE_NAME2=&IN_WORKS_TITLE_TYPE2=0&IN_KEN_NAME_OPTION1=0&IN_KEN_NAME1=&IN_KEN_NAME_JOB1=0&IN_KEN_NAME_CONDITION=0&IN_KEN_NAME_OPTION2=0&IN_KEN_NAME2=&IN_KEN_NAME_JOB2=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME_OPTION1=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME1=&IN_ARTIST_NAME_CONDITION=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME_OPTION2=0&IN_ARTIST_NAME2=&IN_DEFAULT_SEARCH_WORKS_NAIGAI=0&RESULT_CURRENT_PAGE=1)
  6. http://www.minc.gr.jp/db/ contains both official ISRC database and almost complete JASRAC mirror (catalogue search: ̉javascript:c="%s";if(c.indexOf("-")>0){c=c.split("-");self.location.href="http://www.minc.gr.jp/db/AlbInfo.aspx?CAT1="+c[0]+"&CAT2="+c[1]})
  7. Joshin web for JAN -100% trust but now only contains non out of print (catalogue search: http://joshinweb.jp/cdshops/Dps?KEY=RECODE&FM=0&KEYWORD=%s)

(bad japanese from edit:19387852)

本当のレコードやレコードの写真から役に立つ情報を集めてください。
そんな公式じゃないサイト、たとえばamazonやdiscogsなどは少しあぶないんです。(^_^;)

Computer CD drives

For the record and for what it's worth, here are my current and past CD drives.