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* http://musicbrainz.org/recording/dfcbaed6-f984-4618-a2b1-5457257e90c6 If I remember correctly the audience itself is singing this work, so the live and dates attributes on the relationship is OK. Those info should appear in work page.
* http://musicbrainz.org/recording/dfcbaed6-f984-4618-a2b1-5457257e90c6 If I remember correctly the audience itself is singing this work, so the live and dates attributes on the relationship is OK. Those info should appear in work page.
* https://musicbrainz.org/search?query=(artistname%3A%E9%99%B0%E9%99%BD%E5%BA%A7+OR+artistname%3AGALNERYUS)+AND+comment%3Aaudience&type=recording&limit=100&method=advanced I have adding concert DVD (or CD) for some time. Not a méga-lot but I think more than the average editor I know. So before there was criticism there was already several such recordings in MB
* http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=(artistname%3A%E9%99%B0%E9%99%BD%E5%BA%A7+OR+artistname%3AGALNERYUS)+AND+comment%3Aaudience&type=recording&limit=100&method=advanced I have adding concert DVD (or CD) for some time. Not a méga-lot but I think more than the average editor I know. So before there was criticism there was already several such recordings in MB
* http://musicbrainz.org/recording/de5622dc-87c1-4a48-b8a1-726dc0d098d0 live audience (no relationship) + MC (dated vocal relationship ; it would be overkill to register a work for just a couple of words)
* http://musicbrainz.org/recording/de5622dc-87c1-4a48-b8a1-726dc0d098d0 live audience (no relationship) + MC (dated vocal relationship ; it would be overkill to register a work for just a couple of words)
* http://musicbrainz.org/recording/a407e965-8001-44ab-87d1-07664348d3ce if the BGM can be identified, we could add a '''partial''' relationship to the work as we only hear a short part of it. the recorded concert sound is marked as live with dates in comment. Same as http://musicbrainz.org/recording/85f6f66f-6f3d-4299-84a4-9abfd34e4985 from where the edit note discussion took off.
* http://musicbrainz.org/recording/a407e965-8001-44ab-87d1-07664348d3ce if the BGM can be identified, we could add a '''partial''' relationship to the work as we only hear a short part of it. the recorded concert sound is marked as live with dates in comment. Same as http://musicbrainz.org/recording/85f6f66f-6f3d-4299-84a4-9abfd34e4985 from where the edit note discussion took off.

Revision as of 11:07, 18 December 2015

It’s about http://musicbrainz.org/edit/36313706

I don’t have much more than a few minutes per day so I think a 7 day vote period would not be enough to be convinced by or to convince detractors. My internet connection at work is so crappy too… I even have troubles creating this page, hopefully I have notepad.

Taped music in concerts

When a concert track features BGM (taped studio music / SE) and we hear the audience (live) either singing, shouting ENCORE, applause, yelling, etc. or artist MC (live too).

Recording live attribute

The recording itself is a live recording (the audience, the MC — for video recordings, even with nothing heard, we may see live footage from that date or another date).

There is no such thing in MB as a live recording attribute. So for this we can use the recording comment ([examples http://musicbrainz.org/search?type=recording&method=advanced&query=comment%3Alive]).

Recording (begin/end) date attribute

A (live or not) recording was recorded on some date. we can consider that the tape is not the main recording, the live take is the main recording. The BGM can be considered as a sample in a rap tune or something. So we do mark down the main recording date.

There is no such thing in MB as a (begin/end) date recording attribute. So for this we can use the recording comment ([examples http://musicbrainz.org/search?type=recording&method=advanced&query=comment%3A1977]).

There are indirect ways of having the date as an attribute of some logical thing too. http://musicbrainz.org/recording/9dd88fa1-694d-44ae-9d12-7344a43c1f33 place relationship or artist perform or vocal relationship.

The performance of a work

We don’t store audience screaming, etc. as works in MB. We can store MC texts as we do for poem works and maybe it is already done.

BGM is often an already existing and catalogued recording. A recording that has its own recording (live or not) dates in the past.

The dates and live attributes that appear in work page are hold by the relationship between a recording and that work.

So the relationship between the text work and the concert recording’s MC will hold the live attribute and the begin/end dates of the concert.

When we are on a work page, we might be looking for a live performance of this work, for instance. We don’t want to be fooled that there is a live take of this work that we don’t already own. It would make us buy unnecessary CD for instance, before realising we have been fooled by a misplaced attribute.

So the relationship between the taped work (the BGM work) and the concert recording should hold the same attributes (live/dates) as the actual recording (it usually comes from a studio record).

For the same reason as it would look awkward to see a long dead violinist play live in a David Bowie concert, the relationship between the live recording that contains an older recording and the artists performing in that BGM must hold the same attributes as the original recording of the BGM.

Examples