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=Current Style Proposals=

This page is an attempt to list all 'current' or 'active' [[Proposals|proposals]] on the [[Style Mailing List|StyleMailingList]]. Often, proposals do reach some sort of consensus, but are never followed up on, the goal of this page is to keep track of those proposals so they are not forgotten, and can be revisited at the appropriate time.

Formal RFCs on the [[Style Mailing List|StyleMailingList]] are tracked here, no other proposals should be added.

NOTE: the current name and location kuno/CurrentStyleProposals should change at some point, i would like some suggestions on what this page should be called (just leave comments here or tell me on irc :).

Disclaimer: this is not an automated list, but I will try to keep it up to date. If you think some information is out of date or incorrect, notify me (warp on irc, or [mailto:kuno@frob.nl kuno@frob.nl]) and I will look into it (or, change it yourself, this is a wiki :).
{| border="1"
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| '''Summary''' || '''Date''' || '''Full Proposal''' || '''RFV''' || '''Current Status''' || '''[[Idea Champion|IdeaChampion]]''' || '''Developer'''
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| RFV: OGLA is no more, suggesting the AR be deactivated, if not remove || 2007-09-22 || - || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-September/005226.html rfv] || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#brianf01|rfv]] || [[User:BrianFreud|BrianFreud]] || -
|-
| RFC: sort name translation/transliteration for non-Latin script artists || 2007-09-14 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-September/005168.html post] || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-September/005210.html rfv] || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#foolip01|consensus]] || [[User:foolip|foolip]] || -
|-
| RFC: Always show "No Vote" and make it the default || 2007-09-04 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-September/005161.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#jugdish01|being discussed]] || [[User:Jugdish|Jugdish]] || -
|-
| RFC: Don't allow/disable additions of ARs and release || 2007-08-28 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005141.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#gecks04|no support]] || [[User:Gecks|Gecks]] || -
|-
| RFC: [[Classical Release Language|ClassicalReleaseLanguage]] || 2007-07-24 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-July/005068.html post] [[Classical Release Language|wiki]] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#aaron03|no support]] || [[User:AaronCooper|AaronCooper]] || -
|-
| RFC: Classical works for multiple instruments || 2007-06-29 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-June/005043.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#aaron02|no support]] || [[User:AaronCooper|AaronCooper]] || -
|-
| RFC: Change Default Data Quality || 2007-06-19 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-June/004983.html post] [[Change Default Data Quality Proposal|wiki]] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#brianfr01|no consensus]] || [[User:BrianFreud|BrianFreud]] || -
|-
| RFC: Adding {instrument} and {vocals} to 'Recorded By' AR || 2007-05-21 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004916.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#gecks02|discussion died]] || [[User:Gecks|Gecks]] || -
|-
| RFC: "changed name to" AR || 2007-05-07 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004800.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#bogdan03|discussion died]] || [[User:Bogdanb|Bogdanb]] || -
|-
| RFC: Reissue Produced By" and "Compilation Produced By || 2007-05-06 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004796.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#gecks01|no discussion]] || [[User:Gecks|Gecks]] || -
|-
| RFC: performance dates and locations || 2007-05-03 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004759.html post] [[Performances And Recordings Proposal|wiki]] [[Location Proposal|wiki]] [[Ticket:2371|trac]] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#bogdan02|discussion died]] || [[User:Bogdanb|Bogdanb]] || -
|-
| RFC: instrument-related AR changes || 2007-05-03 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004758.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#bogdan01|no discussion]] || [[User:Bogdanb|Bogdanb]] || -
|-
| RFC: Conductor AR Changes || 2007-05-03 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004743.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#luks02|discussion died]] || [[User:LukasLalinsky|LukasLalinsky]] || -
|-
| RFC: IMDb AR change || 2007-05-01 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004721.html post] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-September/005156.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#kilu01|resurrected]] || [[User:Kilu|Kilu]] || -
|-
| RFC: Bad Terminology: bootleg || 2007-04-24 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-April/004694.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#panda01|consensus?]] || [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] || -
|-
| RFC: New Release Status: "Upcoming" || 2007-04-14 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-April/004667.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#aaron01|consensus]] || [[User:AaronCooper|AaronCooper]] || -
|-
| x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) || 2006-05-03 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-May/002527.html post] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-September/003684.html revisit] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004921.html revisit] || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005144.html post] || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#gecks03|RFV]] || [[User:Gecks|Gecks]] || -
|-
| Live Track Style || 2006-04-03 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-April/001973.html post] [[Live Track Style|wiki]] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#zout01|in use?]] || [[zout]] || -
|-
| Live Bootleg Style || 2006-01-23 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-January/001379.html post] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2006-January/010885.html mb-users] [[Live Bootleg Style|wiki]] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#fuchs01|in use?]] || [[User:Fuchs|Fuchs]] || -
|-
| Artist Role Inheritance || 2005-08-04 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2005-August/000311.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#redman01|unresolved?]] || [[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] || -
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| Soundtrack Style || predates 2005-07-23 || [[Soundtrack Style|wiki]] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-February/001632.html post] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-May/002621.html post] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005082.html post] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#misc02|no consensus]] || - || -
|-
| Audio Book Style || predates 2005-07-23 || [[AudioBook Style|wiki]] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2007-June/016230.html mb-users] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#misc01|discussion died?]] || [[User:WolfSong|WolfSong]], [[User:Keschte|Keschte]] || -
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| Date of Birth (AR duplication) || 2005-04-15 || [[Date Of Birth Style|wiki]] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2005-April/008746.html mb-users] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2005-May/009296.html mb-users] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#carter01|unresolved]] || [[User:JohnCarter|JohnCarter]] || -
|}

<span id="brianf01"></span>
===RFV: OGLA is no more, suggesting the AR be deactivated, if not removed===

Missed the RFC :/. Apparently the site doesn't exist anymore, so the AR should be removed.

<span id="foolip01"></span>
===RFC: sort name translation/transliteration for non-Latin script artists===

RFV.

<span id="jugdish01"></span>
===RFC: Always show "No Vote" and make it the default===

No response to this post so far.

<span id="gecks04"></span>
===RFC: Don't allow/disable additions of ARs and release data Pseudo-Releases===

No support. Main objections seem to be:

1) people cannot currently 'use' ARs unless they are attached to the release/track itself. 2) ARs are duplicated in many more areas of MB where releases and tracks cannot be grouped or otherwise related to eachother with the current schema, this shouldn't be treated as a special case.

--kuno.

<span id="aaron03"></span>
===RFC: ClassicalReleaseLanguage===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Out of the people who voiced their opinion on this proposal, Alex Dupuy doesn't see the need for it and Olivier is not in favour. I assume this proposal has been abandoned due to lack of support.
</ul>

<span id="aaron02"></span>
===RFC: Classical works for multiple instruments===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Only three people participated in the discussion, with no clear support for the proposal. I expect the author has abandoned the proposal, but please correct me if I am wrong --kuno.
</ul>

<span id="brianfr01"></span>
===RFC: Change Default Data Quality===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">No consensus was reached on the actual proposal in its original form. However, a lot of valuable suggestions were made by various people, the proposal should probably be rewritten to take those suggestions into account and resubmitted as an RFC. (IMO, [[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] has an insightful [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-July/005067.html post on the proposal]. --kuno).
</ul>

<span id="gecks02"></span>
===RFC: Adding {instrument} and {vocals} to 'Recorded By' AR===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Discussion died, no clear consensus reached as far as i can see. No summary of the discussion.
</ul>

<span id="bogdan03"></span>
===RFC: "changed name to" AR===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">In general, people seemed to be in favour of this proposal -- but concerned that the AR will be abused to split up artists which wouldn't be split up without the AR. The discussion died out, wasn't summarized or otherwise followed up later.
</ul>

<span id="gecks01"></span>
===RFC: Reissue Produced By" and "Compilation Produced By===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">No discussion took place. No further action was taken.
</ul>

<span id="bogdan02"></span>
===RFC: performance dates and locations===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Discussion has died on the [[Mailing List|MailingList]] and died or slowed down on the wiki pages. I don't see a clear consensus yet on the implementation details.
</ul>

<span id="bogdan01"></span>
===RFC: instrument-related AR changes===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">No discussion took place. No further action was taken.
</ul>

<span id="luks02"></span>
===RFC: Conductor AR Changes===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Discussion died. There seem to be no objections to the proposal, however the discussion was not summarized nor do I see an RFV for the proposal.
</ul>

<span id="kilu01"></span>
===RFC: IMDb AR change===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">No discussion took place. UPDATE: Yay, artysmokes is the first to reply, only 4 months after the initial post :)
</ul>

<span id="panda01"></span>
===RFC: Bad Terminology: bootleg===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Apparently enough consensus was reached to prepare the wiki for changes: [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004841.html http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004841.html] , but looking at the history, no actual changes were made.
</ul>

<span id="aaron01"></span>
===RFC: New Release Status: "Upcoming"===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Consensus reached according to [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004726.html http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004726.html] , see also [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004840.html http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004840.html] . No further work seems to have been done on this after the initial consensus was reached. Related activity: [[Not Yet Released Releases|NotYetReleasedReleases]] The issue of upcoming releases was also discussed on the style mailinglist within the context of Data Quality (setting upcoming releases to low data quality), but cannot find the thread right now --kuno. Publicity for the above wiki page and further discussion is now occurring on mb-users ML, but not yet as an RFV. --[[[Arty Smokes|ArtySmokes]]]
</ul>

<span id="gecks03"></span>
===x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc)===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">The proposed changes to [[Bonus Disc|BonusDisc]] were first discussed and written in may 2006, amended in september 2006, and a call for further discussion in may 2007 (with no responses). Some issues raised in the september discussion and on the wiki page haven't been addressed by the proposal. RFV has been posted now.
</ul>

<span id="zout01"></span>
===Live Track Style===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">The first mention of [[Live Track Style|LiveTrackStyle]] on the mailinglist is a post by [[zout]], which is a sort of half RFV. Though at the time it seems there was consensus, work on it for some reason died out. A lot of discussion has also been added to the page itself. I think the guideline is already being used, atleast for NATs, by many editors.
</ul>

<span id="fuchs01"></span>
===Live Bootleg Style===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Although [[Live Bootleg Style|LiveBootlegStyle]] is not an official guideline yet, it seems it is already being used by some editors (based on [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004792.html http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004792.html]). It it is unclear to me at this point what work still needs to be done before the guideline can become official (please update this if you do or spend some time looking into it :). --[[User:kuno|kuno]]..
</ul>

<span id="redman01"></span>
===ArtistRoleInheritance===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">An old issue (2005) still mentioned on [[Proposed Style Guideline|ProposedStyleGuideline]]. I have no idea what the status is, although from a quick reading I would think current practice more or less matches with the interpretation outlined on the page.
</ul>

<span id="misc02"></span>
===Soundtrack Style===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">The wiki page itself predates the move to moinmoin, so this is a very old proposal. It was discussed in February 2006 and May 2006, apparantly without any resolution, and discussed again briefly in August 2007.
</ul>

<span id="misc01"></span>
===Audio Book Style===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">A page edit on 2005-10-23 claims [[User:WolfSong|WolfSong]] and [[User:Keschte|Keschte]] will write the [[AudioBook Style|AudioBookStyle]], and indeed the first few drafts have been made in the following days. Most recently, some discussion took place in June 2007, but it seems no member of the [[Style Council|StyleCouncil]] actively listens to audio books themselves, as a result, no one is actively trying to get this implemented. This issue really needs a proper [[Idea Champion|IdeaChampion]].
</ul>

<span id="carter01"></span>
===Date of Birth===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Apparantly unresolved issue about birth dates being allowed on performance names or only on legal/birth names (found on [[Unresolved Style Issues|UnresolvedStyleIssues]]).
</ul>

=Old Style Proposals=

Vetoed or otherwise abandoned, canceled or retired proposals go here. These should be moved to a separate page when the list becomes too big.
{| border="1"
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| '''Summary''' || '''Date''' || '''Full Proposal''' || '''RFV''' || '''Current Status''' || '''[[Idea Champion|IdeaChampion]]''' || '''Developer'''
|-
| RFC: change video game data cdroms from soundtrack to other || 2007-08-15 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005107.html post] [http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2661 forum] || - || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#kuno01|dropped]] || [[User:kuno|kuno]] || -
|-
| RFV: new vocal type - "rap" || 2007-08-15 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005103.html post] || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005122.html post] [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005123.html veto] || [[User:kuno/CurrentStyleProposals#luks03|vetoed]] || [[User:LukasLalinsky|LukasLalinsky]] || -
|-
| RFV: "has a blog at" AR || 2007-05-01 || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004725.html post] || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-May/004741.html post] || [http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-August/005128.html implemented] || [[User:LukasLalinsky|LukasLalinsky]] || -
|}

<span id="kuno01"></span>
===RFC: change video game data cdroms from soundtrack to other===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">No consensus, RFC dropped.
</ul>

<span id="luks03"></span>
===RFC: new vocal type - "rap"===

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Vetoed because we do not have a clear definition of what rap is.
</ul>

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