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'''This is a research page for the Concertmaster AR.''' |
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== Concertmaster positions == |
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It looks like we're dealing with 3 different positions, in most cases: Concertmaster, associate & assistant. |
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==(1st) Concertmaster / Leader== |
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|Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/berliner-philharmoniker/the-orchestra/musician/musiker/andreas-buschatz/ Andreas Buschatz, Berliner Philharmoniker] |
|[http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/berliner-philharmoniker/the-orchestra/musician/musiker/andreas-buschatz/ Andreas Buschatz, Berliner Philharmoniker] |
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|''Sitting 2nd, then? But I wouldn't want editors to guess these kind of things.'' |
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|1st Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/berliner-philharmoniker/the-orchestra/musician/musiker/guy-braunstein/ Guy Braunstein, Berliner Philharmoniker] |
|[http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/berliner-philharmoniker/the-orchestra/musician/musiker/guy-braunstein/ Guy Braunstein, Berliner Philharmoniker] |
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| ''One of [http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/berliner-philharmoniker/das-orchester/ 3 first CMs''] |
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|Principal Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.br-online.de/br-klassik-english/br-symphonieorchester/members-violin-1-tobias-steymans-ID1220535486367.xml Tobias Steymans, Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks] |
|[http://www.br-online.de/br-klassik-english/br-symphonieorchester/members-violin-1-tobias-steymans-ID1220535486367.xml Tobias Steymans, Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks] |
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|''Webpage translates [http://www.br-online.de/br-klassik/br-symphonieorchester/besetzung-violine-1-startseite-ID1215089131157.xml "1. Konzertmeister"] with "Principal CM". |
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|Principal Concertmaster |
|1st Principal Concertmaster |
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|Alternating 1st Concertmaster |
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|Alternating Concertmaster |
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|''Literal translation from Scandinavian?'' |
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|Leader |
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|[http://lso.co.uk/players Gordan Nikolitch, London Symphony Orchestra] |
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|''Possibly: Concertmaster = American, Leader = English?'' |
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|1st leader |
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|[http://www.hel.fi/wps/portal/Kaupunginorkesteri_en/Artikkeli?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/HKO/en/Musicians/Erkki+Palola Erkki Palola, Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra] |
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|Concertino dei primi violini |
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|[http://www.teatroallascala.org/en/you-and-lascala/auditions.html Teatro alla Scala] |
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|''No, that WAS the English page.'' |
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|Konzertmeister 1b |
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|[http://www.opernhaus.ch/de/stellenangebote/orchester_stellen.php Opernhaus Zürich] |
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|''I do hope no other orchestra uses this... It's not in their list over [http://www.opernhaus.ch/en/oper/orchester/orchester_mitglieder.php? members.]'' |
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==Associate Concertmaster, 2nd Concertmaster, Co-Concermaster== |
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|Associate Concertmaster |
|Associate Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/season/bio.aspx?id=3538&type=1 Nancy Wu, The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra] |
|[http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/season/bio.aspx?id=3538&type=1 Nancy Wu, The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra] |
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|Associate Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.br-online.de/br-klassik-english/muenchner-rundfunkorchester/members-violin-1-georg-liener-ID1219497180154.xml?_requestid=120271 Georg Liener, BR Münchner Rundfunk Orchester] |
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|''[http://www.br-online.de/br-klassik/muenchner-rundfunkorchester/besetzung-violine-1-georg-liener-ID1216033553278.xml "Stellvertretender Konzertmeister"] in German. English page even uses the term "deputy CM"!'' |
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|Associate Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.gso.se/?pageid=8960 GSO] |
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|''Alt. förste k. in Swedish; literally "alternating first CM"'' |
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: Wouldn't this be "Alternating Concertmaster", not "Associate Concertmaster"? [[User:BrianSchweitzer|BrianSchweitzer]] 06:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Yes, literally, but they use "Associate" in the English description of the job (2nd part of the page). It looks like another word is used in English. IF they bother with a translation. --[[User:Symphonick|symphonick]] 10:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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|Alt. Concert Master |
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|[http://www.norrkopingssymfoniorkester.se/index.asp?id=2010 Norrköping Symphony Orchestra] |
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|''The Swedish & English pages are not synced, but this orchestra clearly uses "alt." in English too.'' |
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|Principal Associate Concertmaster |
|Principal Associate Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/season/bio.aspx?id=3537&type=1 Laura Hamilton, The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra] |
|[http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/season/bio.aspx?id=3537&type=1 Laura Hamilton, The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra] |
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|Associate Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.bso.org/bso/mods/bio_toc.jsp?id=cat240010 Boston Symphony Orchestra] |
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|''Both Associate & Assistant CM in the same orchestra.'' |
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|Associate Leader |
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|[http://www.bbc.co.uk/orchestras/bbcnow/about/players/ BBC National Orchestra of Wales] |
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|2nd leader |
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|[http://www.hel.fi/wps/portal/Kaupunginorkesteri_en/Artikkeli?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/HKO/en/Musicians/Eriikka+Maalismaa Eriikka Maalismaa, Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra] |
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|2nd Deputy Leader |
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|[http://www.gso.se/?pageid=8960 GSO] |
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|''Andre konsertmästare = literally 2nd CM'' |
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|Co-Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.osr.ch/page.asp?pageid=29&gid=1 Orchestre de la Suisse Romande] |
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|''French: premier violon solo remplaçant'' |
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|Co-Leader |
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|[http://lso.co.uk/players Carmine Lauri, London Symphony Orchestra] |
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So Associate CM != Assistant CM, but I haven't found a good explanation of the differences yet. |
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Actually it looks like Associate CM > Assistant CM. |
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: IIRC, we've found the same A > A for all other places we've added both attribs, so at least it's consistent. :) [[User:BrianSchweitzer|BrianSchweitzer]] 06:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Assistant Concermaster, 3rd concertmaster == |
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|Assisting Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.nzso.co.nz/about_us/meet_the_nzso/the_orchestra/strings/first_violins#lyndon Lyndon Johnston Taylor, New Zealand Symphony Orchestra] |
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|[http://www.sfsymphony.org/music/MeetTheMusicians/MembersOfOrchestra.aspx Jeremy Constant, San Fransisco Symphony] |
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|Assistant Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.br-online.de/br-klassik-english/br-symphonieorchester/members-violin-1-start-ID1219249496901.xml Nicola Birkhan, Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks] |
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|''German: [http://www.br-online.de/br-klassik/br-symphonieorchester/besetzung-violine-1-startseite-ID1215089131157.xml Vorspielerin]'' |
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|1st Assistant Concertmaster |
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|[http://sundaytimes.lk/041003/plus/arts.html Tjeerd Top, Concertgebouw Orchestra] |
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|''"assistant principal violinist" according to the [http://www.concertgebouworkest.nl/page.ocl?pageID=17 official homepage.''] |
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|2nd Assistant Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.seattlesymphony.org/symphony/meet/profile.aspx?profileID=9&ptype=p Simon James, Seattle Symphony] |
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Concertmaster II |
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|[http://www.kso.no/liste.aspx?m=21&amid=2537 Kristiansand] |
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| They have 2 [http://www.kso.no/hovedtekst.aspx?m=32&amid=224 Konsertmester I] |
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|3nd Concertmaster |
|3nd Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.gso.se/?pageid=8512&employeeId=8 Ingrid Sjönnemo, Gothenburg Symphony Orchestra] |
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|''My translation, GSO uses Google translate for the webpage :-( Would have to see a job ad to know what their translation is.'' |
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|Concertmaster Emeritus |
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|Assistant Leader |
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|[http://lso.co.uk/players Tomo Keller, London Symphony Orchestra] |
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|Sub-Leader |
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|[http://www.bbc.co.uk/orchestras/symphonyorchestra/about/players/ BBC Symphony] |
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Not sure what to do with "acting"; acting first assistant concermaster etc. |
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==Guest Concertmaster== |
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|1st Guest Concertmaster |
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|[http://www.stringsmagazine.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=23719 Alexander Kerr, Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra] |
|[http://www.stringsmagazine.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=23719 Alexander Kerr, Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra] |
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==Concertmaster Emeritus== |
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==Other positions== |
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|Sub-Leader |
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|[http://lso.co.uk/players Lennox Mackenzie, London Symphony Orchestra] |
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|Sub-Principal |
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|[http://lso.co.uk/players LSO again] |
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Latest revision as of 23:34, 2 January 2011
This is a research page for the Concertmaster AR. It looks like we're dealing with 3 different positions, in most cases: Concertmaster, associate & assistant.
(1st) Concertmaster / Leader
Position | Example | Comment |
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Concertmaster | Andreas Buschatz, Berliner Philharmoniker | Sitting 2nd, then? But I wouldn't want editors to guess these kind of things. |
1st Concertmaster | Guy Braunstein, Berliner Philharmoniker | One of 3 first CMs |
Principal Concertmaster | Tobias Steymans, Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks | Webpage translates "1. Konzertmeister" with "Principal CM". |
1st Principal Concertmaster | ? | |
Alternating Concertmaster | ? | Literal translation from Scandinavian? |
Leader | Gordan Nikolitch, London Symphony Orchestra | Possibly: Concertmaster = American, Leader = English? |
1st leader | Erkki Palola, Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra | |
Concertino dei primi violini | Teatro alla Scala | No, that WAS the English page. |
Konzertmeister 1b | Opernhaus Zürich | I do hope no other orchestra uses this... It's not in their list over members. |
Associate Concertmaster, 2nd Concertmaster, Co-Concermaster
Position | Example | Comment |
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Associate Concertmaster | Nancy Wu, The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra | |
Associate Concertmaster | Georg Liener, BR Münchner Rundfunk Orchester | "Stellvertretender Konzertmeister" in German. English page even uses the term "deputy CM"! |
Associate Concertmaster | GSO | Alt. förste k. in Swedish; literally "alternating first CM"
Yes, literally, but they use "Associate" in the English description of the job (2nd part of the page). It looks like another word is used in English. IF they bother with a translation. --symphonick 10:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
Alt. Concert Master | Norrköping Symphony Orchestra | The Swedish & English pages are not synced, but this orchestra clearly uses "alt." in English too. |
Principal Associate Concertmaster | Laura Hamilton, The Metropolitan Opera Orchestra | |
Associate Concertmaster | Boston Symphony Orchestra | Both Associate & Assistant CM in the same orchestra. |
Associate Leader | BBC National Orchestra of Wales | |
2nd leader | Eriikka Maalismaa, Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra | |
2nd Deputy Leader | GSO | Andre konsertmästare = literally 2nd CM |
Co-Concertmaster | Orchestre de la Suisse Romande | French: premier violon solo remplaçant |
Co-Leader | Carmine Lauri, London Symphony Orchestra |
So Associate CM != Assistant CM, but I haven't found a good explanation of the differences yet. Actually it looks like Associate CM > Assistant CM.
- IIRC, we've found the same A > A for all other places we've added both attribs, so at least it's consistent. :) BrianSchweitzer 06:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Assistant Concermaster, 3rd concertmaster
Position | Example | Comment |
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Assisting Concertmaster | Lyndon Johnston Taylor, New Zealand Symphony Orchestra | |
Assistant Concertmaster | Jeremy Constant, San Fransisco Symphony | |
Assistant Concertmaster | Nicola Birkhan, Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks | German: Vorspielerin |
1st Assistant Concertmaster | Tjeerd Top, Concertgebouw Orchestra | "assistant principal violinist" according to the official homepage. |
2nd Assistant Concertmaster | Simon James, Seattle Symphony | |
Concertmaster II | Kristiansand | They have 2 Konsertmester I |
3nd Concertmaster | Ingrid Sjönnemo, Gothenburg Symphony Orchestra | My translation, GSO uses Google translate for the webpage :-( Would have to see a job ad to know what their translation is. |
Concertmaster Emeritus | ? | |
Assistant Leader | Tomo Keller, London Symphony Orchestra | |
Sub-Leader | BBC Symphony |
Not sure what to do with "acting"; acting first assistant concermaster etc.
Guest Concertmaster
Guest Concertmaster | ? |
1st Guest Concertmaster | Alexander Kerr, Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra |
Concertmaster Emeritus
Concertmaster Emeritus | ? |
Other positions
Sub-Leader | Lennox Mackenzie, London Symphony Orchestra | |
Sub-Principal | LSO again |