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{{Status| My research, questions & comments for the upcoming CSG for release & release group names. This is NOT a guideline. It's for  discussion. Possible future use: CSG examples that won't be in the official guideline.}}
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{{Status| My research, questions & comments for the upcoming CSG for release & release groups. This is NOT a guideline.}}
  
 
[[User:kuno/Style/Recording_and_release_group_titles|The general guidelines for Release group names]]
 
[[User:kuno/Style/Recording_and_release_group_titles|The general guidelines for Release group names]]
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[[Proposal:CSGv2/Release/Title|The old CSGv2 release & releasegroup proposal]]
 
[[Proposal:CSGv2/Release/Title|The old CSGv2 release & releasegroup proposal]]
  
==Use what's printed?==
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==Composer as artist==
  
It's mostly like "normal" MusicBrainz.
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The [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]] of a classical Release should always be the composer(s), '''never''' the performer.  However, we make the following exceptions:
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* Mixed recitals by a performer or group
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* Classical "Covers"
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''single composer single work example?''
  
 
BERLIOZ<br/>
 
BERLIOZ<br/>
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FANTASTIQUE<br/>
 
FANTASTIQUE<br/>
 
LE CORSAIRE<br/>
 
LE CORSAIRE<br/>
''CHAN 9052''<br/>
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''from CHAN 9052''<br/>
  
Don't add composers to the title, fix caps & errors, join multiple works w. slash:
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For the title, fixing caps & errors, joining multiple works with a slash as in multipletitlestyle.
<pre>Symphonie Fantastique / Le Corsaire</pre>
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<pre>
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Release title:  Symphonie Fantastique / Le Corsaire
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Release artist:  Hector Berlioz
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</pre>
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So we don't add composers to the release title for releases with a single composer.
  
===The comment field===
 
  
What's different is that we add performers to the comment field for disambiguation (there are more Symphonie Fantastiques (?) in MB).
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===Multiple composers on one release===
''correct? btw Do recordings need performers disambiguation?''
 
<pre>(Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra feat. conductor Gennady Rozdestvensky)</pre>
 
  
''as before, only add performers who performs on every track on the release?''
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If there are 2 composers, use both:
 
 
==Split releases==
 
 
 
Classical releases are entered w. the composer as artist. If there are 2 composers, use both:
 
  
 
'''Janáček''' String Quartets 1 & 2<br/>
 
'''Janáček''' String Quartets 1 & 2<br/>
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<br/>
 
<br/>
 
New Helsinki Quartet<br/>
 
New Helsinki Quartet<br/>
''apex 0927 40603 2''<br/>
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''from apex 0927 40603 2''<br/>
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Use a slash between multiple composers, just as with multiple titles:
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<pre>
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Release title:  Janáček: String Quartets 1 & 2 / Dvořák: from Cypresses
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Release artist:  Hector Berlioz
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</pre>
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But now we must add the composers to the title, or it could be unclear who wrote what.<br/>
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''use the printed version of the composer's name in the title, don't for instance change scripts''
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==Mixed recitals by a performer or group==
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In cases where a release features a single performer or group and contains works from multiple composers, that performer or group may be designated the [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]], with each [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] assigned to the appropriate composer.
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Examples: [http://musicbrainz.org/release/8e18c6f3-cdec-4f60-a2bc-e5105c9edbf9.html Favorite Encores (feat. piano: Vladimir Horowitz)] [http://musicbrainz.org/release/d2a0f1ed-87da-4838-9d4c-5c5bfcf99ef0.html Black Angels (Kronos Quartet)] [http://musicbrainz.org/release/f2a2a7a1-e8a9-4010-b238-d3d2382cec51.html Passion of Callas (disc 1)] However, on a release like [http://musicbrainz.org/album/0736d1a9-d49d-49c5-bd9b-9ccbe9fc296e.html 3 Masses of the 20th Century (Mikaeli Kammarkör, Anders Eby)] there is no clear choice for primary performer.  It must remain under [[Various Artists|VariousArtists]].
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</ul>
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'''Important notes:'''
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# Do not create new Artists for performer collaborations (such as "Herbert von Karajan & The Berlin Philharmonic.")
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# Also, do not use this style for conductors who are also composers (such as Leonard Bernstein or Pierre Boulez.)
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# This recital style does not apply to releases with works by only one composer (such as [http://musicbrainz.org/release/a8e3a35f-6046-4b23-a98e-b6fd01244ebf.html Sole e Amore (Kiri Te Kanawa)]), however much they might emphasize the performer.
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<span id="covers"></span>
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==Classical "Covers"==
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In releases where classical works are arranged, remixed, or otherwise substantially modified by the primary performer, that performer should be designated as [[Release Artist|ReleaseArtist]].  The composer(s) should be attributed only by [[Advanced Relationships|AdvancedRelationships]] of the [[Composer Relationship Type|ComposerRelationshipType]] either to the whole album (if there is only one composer), or the individual tracks (if there are several composers). ''here we say arrangements is an exeption, but further down it's not?''
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Examples: [http://musicbrainz.org/album/f264b968-4e65-4b6c-8cbb-340f13cc77c0.html Béla Fleck: Perpetual Motion] [http://musicbrainz.org/release/4bf341d5-f1f9-421a-ba45-d927965ca209.html Jacques Loussier: Play Bach No. 1] [http://test.musicbrainz.org/release/d744cca0-6f43-4855-a3dd-83c512285493.html William Orbit: Pieces in a Modern Style]
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</ul>
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When dealing with works that are NOT covers, the composer is designated as artist, as usual:
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">J.S. Bach's [http://musicbrainz.org/release/638b0628-ec96-4654-9eb9-b79588d1c886.html Unaccompanied Cello Suites Performed on Double Bass (Edgar Meyer)].  Here Bach is credited as the Artist and Edgar Meyer's transcriptions are indicated with an [[Arranger Relationship Type|ArrangerRelationshipType]].
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</ul>
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Also, when one composer has arranged a work by another, one would use the same plan:
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">[http://musicbrainz.org/release/7c01c281-4c46-4113-9d98-58d904637372.html Franz Schubert's German Dances, D. 820 as arranged by Anton Webern] should be entered with Schubert as the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]], and connected to Webern via the [[Arranger Relationship Type|ArrangerRelationshipType]]. [http://test.musicbrainz.org/release/911dbaa2-83c7-4925-ac82-4e4a88fc1a83.html Benjamin Britten's arrangement of the tune "Tom Bowling"] should be entered with [trad.] as the [[Track Artist|TrackArtist]] and connected to Britten via the [[Arranger Relationship Type|ArrangerRelationshipType]]. [http://musicbrainz.org/album/f0c80d6c-edb0-40d7-87c3-0cc6c9ffeed7.html Beethoven Symphonies 5, 6 in Piano Transcription by Franz Liszt (feat. piano: Glenn Gould)]
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</ul>
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==Performers for recordings==
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''maybe for another page?''
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The correct way to enter performers in MB is by using Advanced Releationships between the recordings & the performer, and you should always do that.<br/>
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But we also need a minimum of performers in the comment field, for disambiguation when we search for recordings (there are more Symphonie Fantastiques (?) in MB).
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''correct? btw Do recordings need performers disambiguation?''
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<pre>(Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra feat. conductor Gennady Rozdestvensky)</pre>
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''as before, only add performers who performs on every track on the release?''

Revision as of 10:56, 20 May 2011

Status: My research, questions & comments for the upcoming CSG for release & release groups. This is NOT a guideline.

The general guidelines for Release group names

The old CSGv2 release & releasegroup proposal

Composer as artist

The ReleaseArtist of a classical Release should always be the composer(s), never the performer. However, we make the following exceptions:

  • Mixed recitals by a performer or group
  • Classical "Covers"

single composer single work example?

BERLIOZ
SYMPHONIE
FANTASTIQUE
LE CORSAIRE
from CHAN 9052

For the title, fixing caps & errors, joining multiple works with a slash as in multipletitlestyle.

Release title:   Symphonie Fantastique / Le Corsaire
Release artist:  Hector Berlioz

So we don't add composers to the release title for releases with a single composer.


Multiple composers on one release

If there are 2 composers, use both:

Janáček String Quartets 1 & 2
Dvořák from Cypresses

New Helsinki Quartet
from apex 0927 40603 2

Use a slash between multiple composers, just as with multiple titles:

Release title:   Janáček: String Quartets 1 & 2 / Dvořák: from Cypresses
Release artist:  Hector Berlioz

But now we must add the composers to the title, or it could be unclear who wrote what.
use the printed version of the composer's name in the title, don't for instance change scripts




Mixed recitals by a performer or group

In cases where a release features a single performer or group and contains works from multiple composers, that performer or group may be designated the ReleaseArtist, with each TrackArtist assigned to the appropriate composer.

Important notes:

  1. Do not create new Artists for performer collaborations (such as "Herbert von Karajan & The Berlin Philharmonic.")
  2. Also, do not use this style for conductors who are also composers (such as Leonard Bernstein or Pierre Boulez.)
  3. This recital style does not apply to releases with works by only one composer (such as Sole e Amore (Kiri Te Kanawa)), however much they might emphasize the performer.

Classical "Covers"

In releases where classical works are arranged, remixed, or otherwise substantially modified by the primary performer, that performer should be designated as ReleaseArtist. The composer(s) should be attributed only by AdvancedRelationships of the ComposerRelationshipType either to the whole album (if there is only one composer), or the individual tracks (if there are several composers). here we say arrangements is an exeption, but further down it's not?

When dealing with works that are NOT covers, the composer is designated as artist, as usual:

Also, when one composer has arranged a work by another, one would use the same plan:


Performers for recordings

maybe for another page? The correct way to enter performers in MB is by using Advanced Releationships between the recordings & the performer, and you should always do that.

But we also need a minimum of performers in the comment field, for disambiguation when we search for recordings (there are more Symphonie Fantastiques (?) in MB). correct? btw Do recordings need performers disambiguation?

(Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra feat. conductor Gennady Rozdestvensky)

as before, only add performers who performs on every track on the release?