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''(Changing notational style was an old style practice which will probably be used only for works & pseudo-releases in the future).''
 
''(Changing notational style was an old style practice which will probably be used only for works & pseudo-releases in the future).''
  
===Bach: Cello Suites (don't change keys style)===
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===Bach: Cello Suites===
 
'''Johann Sebastian Bach''' (1685-1750)<br/>
 
'''Johann Sebastian Bach''' (1685-1750)<br/>
 
Suites for Solo Violincello BWV 1007-1012<br/>
 
Suites for Solo Violincello BWV 1007-1012<br/>
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===Bach Edition: Sonata no. 6 (keys in many languages)===
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===Bach Edition: Sonata no. 6===
Common practice for keys. I'm suggesting the complete language is entered as official (not pseudo) tracklist.
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It's a common practice that keys are printed in multiple languages. I'm suggesting the '''complete language''' is entered as '''official''' (not pseudo) tracklist.
 
''Note that in some cases the official language can vary between releases in a boxset.'' <br/>
 
''Note that in some cases the official language can vary between releases in a boxset.'' <br/>
  
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10. Sonata No. 6 in G major, BWV 1019: Largo<br/>
 
10. Sonata No. 6 in G major, BWV 1019: Largo<br/>
  
==Tracks with multiple parts==
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==Vocal ranges & roles==
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Should be inside brackets.
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===Berlioz: Les nuits d'été (Philips)===
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'''LES NUITS D'ÉTÉ, OP. 7'''<br/>
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Gedichte von Théophile Gautier<br/>
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1. Villanelle (Tenor)
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2. Le spectre de la rose (Alt)<br/>
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''Philips 6500 009''<br/>
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Enter as (note that it's a German release):<br/>
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1. Les nuits d'été, op. 7: Villanelle (Tenor)<br/>
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2. Les nuits d'été, op. 7: Le spectre de la rose (Alt)<br/>
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Guidelines in effect:
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*CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
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*CSG/Language German: "op." lovercased?
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*CSG/Track Title: roles in brackets
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==Typography we can capture==
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When combining a title from text written on multiple lines, use the delimiters as printed (adjusted to language guidelines).
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===Berlioz: Les nuits d'été (DG)===
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'''Les nuits d'été, op. 7'''<br/>
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Poésies de Théophile Gautier<br/>
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1. Villanelle. Allegretto<br/>
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2. Le spectre de la rose.<br/>
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Adagio un poco lento e dolce assai<br/>
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3. Sur les lagunes. Lamento. Andantino<br/>
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''Deutsche Grammophon 2532 047''<br/>
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===Sjostakovitj: Piano Concerto No. 1===
 
===Sjostakovitj: Piano Concerto No. 1===
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Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, Op. 35 (Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings): II Lento<br/>
 
Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, Op. 35 (Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings): II Lento<br/>
 
Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, Op. 35 (Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings): III Moderato — IV Allegro con brio<br/>
 
Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, Op. 35 (Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings): III Moderato — IV Allegro con brio<br/>
 
 
==Typography we can capture==
 
When combining a title from text written on multiple lines, use the delimiters as printed (adjusted to language guidelines).
 
 
===Berlioz: Les nuits d'été (DG)===
 
'''Les nuits d'été, op. 7'''<br/>
 
Poésies de Théophile Gautier<br/>
 
1. Villanelle. Allegretto<br/>
 
2. Le spectre de la rose.<br/>
 
Adagio un poco lento e dolce assai<br/>
 
3. Sur les lagunes. Lamento. Andantino<br/>
 
''Deutsche Grammophon 2532 047''<br/>
 
  
  
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*join lines if a title is printed on more than one line
 
*join lines if a title is printed on more than one line
 
*leave out librettists & composers from a title
 
*leave out librettists & composers from a title
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===Bach: St. Matthew Passion===
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As with other classical guidelines: if there are multiple tracklists on the release, use the one with most detail (usually inside booklet). There are exceptions to this rule; for certain releases with vocal works the official "short" tracklist is recommended instead of trying to construct your own tracklist from the full libretto.<br/>
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''Cover:''<br/>
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[2] Gerne will ich mich bequemen<br/>
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(Matthäuspassion)<br/>
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<br/>
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''Booklet (tracklist):''<br/>
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Matthäuspassion BWV 244<br/>
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St. Matthew Passion - Passion selon Saint-Matthieu<br/>
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[2] 23. Arie >>Gerne will ich mich bequemen<<<br/>
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Text: Picander (= Christian Friedrich Henrici)<br/>
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''Deutsche Grammophon 463 518-2''<br/>
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Enter as:<br/>
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2. Matthäuspassion, BWV 244: 23. Arie >>Gerne will ich mich bequemen<<<br/>
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*''Option: Force changing to standard (German) quotes?''
  
  
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*Use only text from the liner for an official tracklist
 
*Use only text from the liner for an official tracklist
 
*''I don't know about "op." in Czech''
 
*''I don't know about "op." in Czech''
 
 
==Bach: St. Matthew Passion (cover vs. booklet)==
 
 
''Cover:''<br/>
 
[2] Gerne will ich mich bequemen<br/>
 
(Matthäuspassion)<br/>
 
<br/>
 
''Booklet (tracklist):''<br/>
 
Matthäuspassion BWV 244<br/>
 
St. Matthew Passion - Passion selon Saint-Matthieu<br/>
 
[2] 23. Arie >>Gerne will ich mich bequemen<<<br/>
 
Text: Picander (= Christian Friedrich Henrici)<br/>
 
''Deutsche Grammophon 463 518-2''<br/>
 
 
<pre>2. Matthäuspassion, BWV 244: 23. Arie >>Gerne will ich mich bequemen<<</pre>
 
No changing of the quotes here, use the printed version. ''Previously only double-quotes were allowed.''
 
 
 
*CSG/Track Title: use the more detailed version (inside the booklet)
 
 
 
==Vocal ranges==
 
 
===Berlioz: Les nuits d'été (Philips)===
 
 
'''LES NUITS D'ÉTÉ, OP. 7'''<br/>
 
Gedichte von Théophile Gautier<br/>
 
1. Villanelle (Tenor)
 
2. Le spectre de la rose (Alt)<br/>
 
''Philips 6500 009''<br/>
 
 
Enter as (note that it's a German release):<br/>
 
1. Les nuits d'été, op. 7: Villanelle (Tenor)<br/>
 
2. Les nuits d'été, op. 7: Le spectre de la rose (Alt)<br/>
 
 
Guidelines in effect:
 
*CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
 
*CSG/Language German: "op." lovercased?
 
*CSG/Track Title: roles in brackets
 
  
  

Revision as of 18:44, 11 June 2012

Status: My research, questions & comments for CSG Track Titles. This is NOT a guideline. Possible future use: Detailed CSG examples.

How should we enter classical track titles in MB?
I've tried to copy the tracklists exactly as printed on the releases.

Keys

Simple example; this is already in CSG/languages/English but I'm guessing it's the same in many other languages.
(Changing notational style was an old style practice which will probably be used only for works & pseudo-releases in the future).

Bach: Cello Suites

Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750)
Suites for Solo Violincello BWV 1007-1012
Volume 1 Suites 1 - 3
Transcribed for viola and played by Simon Rowland-Jones

Suite No. 1 in G, BWV 1007
[1] Prélude
[2] Allemande
Example from Meridian CDE 84270

Enter as:
1. Suite no. 1 in G, BWV 1007: Prélude
2. Suite no. 1 in G, BWV 1007: Allemande

Guidelines in effect:

  • CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
  • CSG/Language English: "no." should be lower cased



Bach Edition: Sonata no. 6

It's a common practice that keys are printed in multiple languages. I'm suggesting the complete language is entered as official (not pseudo) tracklist. Note that in some cases the official language can vary between releases in a boxset.

Sonata No. 6 in G major/G Dur BWV1019
9. Allegro
10. Largo
from Brilliant Classics 93101/21

English is the only complete language available:
9. Sonata No. 6 in G major, BWV 1019: Allegro
10. Sonata No. 6 in G major, BWV 1019: Largo


Vocal ranges & roles

Should be inside brackets.

Berlioz: Les nuits d'été (Philips)

LES NUITS D'ÉTÉ, OP. 7
Gedichte von Théophile Gautier
1. Villanelle (Tenor) 2. Le spectre de la rose (Alt)
Philips 6500 009

Enter as (note that it's a German release):
1. Les nuits d'été, op. 7: Villanelle (Tenor)
2. Les nuits d'été, op. 7: Le spectre de la rose (Alt)

Guidelines in effect:

  • CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
  • CSG/Language German: "op." lovercased?
  • CSG/Track Title: roles in brackets


Typography we can capture

When combining a title from text written on multiple lines, use the delimiters as printed (adjusted to language guidelines).

Berlioz: Les nuits d'été (DG)

Les nuits d'été, op. 7
Poésies de Théophile Gautier
1. Villanelle. Allegretto
2. Le spectre de la rose.
Adagio un poco lento e dolce assai
3. Sur les lagunes. Lamento. Andantino
Deutsche Grammophon 2532 047


Sjostakovitj: Piano Concerto No. 1

Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, op.35
(Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings)
Raymond Simmons — trumpet
[2] I Allegretto
[3] II Lento
[4] III Moderato —
IV Allegro con brio
Decca 436 239-2

Enter as:
Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, Op. 35 (Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings): I Allegretto
Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, Op. 35 (Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings): II Lento
Piano Concerto No. 1 in C minor, Op. 35 (Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings): III Moderato — IV Allegro con brio


Compilation: Berlioz, Wagner

Side 1:

Hector Berlioz (1803-1869)
"Hail, all hail to the Queen,"
from "Les Troyens" (translation Edward J. Dent)

Richard Wagner (1813-1883)
"Träume" - "Schmerzen" (1)
from the "Wesendonck" Lieder
Philips 69588 011

(1) was used on the cover to indicate a performer.
Enter as:
1. "Hail, all hail to the Queen," from "Les Troyens"
2. "Träume" - "Schmerzen" from the "Wesendonck" Lieder

Guidelines in effect:

  • CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
  • join lines if a title is printed on more than one line
  • leave out librettists & composers from a title


Bach: St. Matthew Passion

As with other classical guidelines: if there are multiple tracklists on the release, use the one with most detail (usually inside booklet). There are exceptions to this rule; for certain releases with vocal works the official "short" tracklist is recommended instead of trying to construct your own tracklist from the full libretto.

Cover:
[2] Gerne will ich mich bequemen
(Matthäuspassion)

Booklet (tracklist):
Matthäuspassion BWV 244
St. Matthew Passion - Passion selon Saint-Matthieu
[2] 23. Arie >>Gerne will ich mich bequemen<<
Text: Picander (= Christian Friedrich Henrici)
Deutsche Grammophon 463 518-2

Enter as:
2. Matthäuspassion, BWV 244: 23. Arie >>Gerne will ich mich bequemen<<

  • Option: Force changing to standard (German) quotes?


Typography we can't capture

What to do when punctuation is left out.

Dvořák: From Cypresses

Antonin Dvořák
From Cypresses, B.152
9 No.2 Death reigns in many a human breast
10 No.3 When thy sweet glances on me fall
apex 0927 40603 2

Option A: colon

9. From Cypresses, B. 152: No. 2: Death reigns in many a human breast
10. From Cypresses, B. 152: No. 3: When thy sweet glances on me fall

Option B: period

9. From Cypresses, B. 152: No. 2. Death reigns in many a human breast
10. From Cypresses, B. 152: No. 3. When thy sweet glances on me fall

Option C: nothing

9. From Cypresses, B. 152: No. 2 Death reigns in many a human breast
10. From Cypresses, B. 152: No. 3 When thy sweet glances on me fall

Guidelines in effect:

  • CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
  • CSG/Language English: comma & space before catalogue
  • CSG/Language English: space before numbers
  • option A/B/C
  • CSG/Language English: Sentence-style quotes


Bach: St John Passion

St John Passion
Johannespassion
Passion selon saint Jean
BWV 245
[snip a page with performer info]
Parte prima
Part One . Erster Teil . Première partie
1 No.1 Chorus Herr, unser Herrscher
Veritas 7243 5 62019 2 7

"Chorus" is printed with italics, but we can only use plain text in MB. English version (only complete language; other languages can be entered as pseudo-release) could be entered as:

Option A: colon

1. St John Passion, BWV 245: Part One, no. 1: Chorus: Herr, unser Herrscher

Option B: period

1. St John Passion, BWV 245: Part One, no. 1. Chorus. Herr, unser Herrscher

Option C: nothing

1. St John Passion, BWV 245: Part One, no. 1 Chorus Herr, unser Herrscher

Guidelines in effect:

  • CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
  • CSG/Language English: comma & space before catalogue
  • join "section" & part with comma?
  • option A/B/C

Note that according to Wikipedia, both "St John" & "St. John" are correct.

Official translations

It's recommended that the translated libretto is not used for an official tracklist. That is, official languages use the libretto that is performed on the recording. (must check which version is performed?)

3 motets (Czech/German)

Tři moteta pro smíšený dvojsbor a cappella, op. 110
Drei Motetten for double-chorus a cappella, Op. 110
1. Ich aber bin elend [Já pak ztrápený jsem] (Žalm 69)

Czech: 1. Tři moteta pro smíšený dvojsbor a cappella, op. 110: Já pak ztrápený jsem (Žalm 69)
German: 1. Drei Motetten for double-chorus a cappella, Op. 110: Já pak ztrápený jsem

  • assuming it's sung in Czech

Guidelines in effect:

  • CSG/Track Title: subtitle-style
  • Use only text from the liner for an official tracklist
  • I don't know about "op." in Czech


Film music

CSG or not?

Williams: Superman suite

[3] "SUPERMAN" SUITE
(John Williams) Warner Bros
(i) March Of The Villains
(ii) Can You Read My Mind (Love Theme)
(iii) Main Theme
Windsong International KOR042

3. "Superman" Suite: (I) March of the Villains (II) Can You Read My Mind (Love Theme) (III) Main Theme

  • or: I. March of the Villains / II. Can You Read My Mind (Love Theme) / III. Main Theme


Rare cases

Mixing leaflet & cover data

cover:
Kreisler: Complete Arrangements & Original Works, including:
'A May Breeze' (from Mendelssohn) • Romanze Op. 94 (from Schumann) • Sérénade Espagnole Op. 20 No. 2 (by Glazunov) • Ballet in G (from Schubert's Rosamunde) • Larghetto (from Weber's violin sonata) [snip] and many more

leaflet:
1. 'A May Breeze' (Mendelssohn) • 2. Romanze Op. 94 (Schumann) • 3. La Précieuse in the style of Couperin* [snip] 8. Ballet in G (Schubert) • 9. Larghetto (Weber) [snip]

As we can see the tracklist on the cover is incomplete, but some songs had more information than in the booklet. Use the more informative version:

1. 'A May Breeze'
[snip]
8. Ballet in G (from Schubert's Rosamunde)
9. Larghetto (from Weber's Violin Sonata)

For tracks 8 & 9 I used the variant as printed on the cover (back).