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== Application ==
This guideline applies to the title of a bootleg [[Release Group|release group]]. For the title of a live [[Recording|recording]], see [[Style/Recording#Live recordings|live recordings]]. For the title of a release, see the [[Style/Track_and_release_titles|track and release titles guideline]]. If the release is untitled, use the release group title as determined below.

This guideline applies to live [[Release#Status|bootleg]] recordings, and their associated [[Release Group|release groups]], [[Release|releases]], and [[Recording|recordings]]. It can also apply to [[Release#Status|official]] releases of live concerts that do not have any title information, such as concerts released on USB immediately after the show with missing or incomplete tags.


== Guidelines ==
== Guidelines ==


Live bootlegs should generally follow the normal style guidelines, with the below exceptions.
The following rules apply when titling a live bootleg release group:


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=== Releases ===
# Live bootlegs without a title ''must'' be named by concatenating its date and location information.
#* Syntax: "''YYYY-MM-DD: Location''".
# Live bootlegs with a single, unique release title ''should'' extend the title of the release group with date and location information as follows:
#* Syntax: "''[YYYY-MM-DD: ]Title[: Location]''". Note that this only applies to the release group and not to the [[Release|release]] itself.
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#* If there is alternative dividing punctuation mark at the end of the title such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point (!), use that mark instead of the colon.
# The location ''must'' be formatted using the city and country, and ''may'' include a venue and/or state.
#* Syntax: "''[Venue, ]City, [State, ]Country''".


Releases with a title, such as most CD bootlegs, should use their own title per the general [[Style/Titles|titles guide]]. Releases without titles, such as audience recordings, should follow the ''Release Group'' rules below for the release title.
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=== Notes ===
* The parts in square brackets are optional.
* ''YYYY-MM-DD'' is the date of the recording including the year (YYYY), month (MM) and day of month (DD).
* ''Venue'' is the name of the location where the concert took place (name of the hotel, stadium, hall, etc.).
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* ''City'' can be the city, town or village.
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* ''State'' is to further distinguish cities with identical names (such as ''Pasadena, TX'' in Texas vs ''Pasadena, CA'' in California) and may be referred to as a province in some countries. See [[State Abbreviations]].
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* ''Country'' is the country.


=== Release Groups ===
==Additional Notes==


Live bootleg Release Groups, and untitled live Releases, should be named by concatenating the date and location. The date should be formatted ''YYYY-MM-DD'', including the year (YYYY), month (MM) and day of month (DD). Location ''should'' include the city and country, and ''may'' include an event name, venue and/or state.
For live concerts that have multiple bootleg releases with different titles, the release group title should use only the date and location as detailed above, without any additional titles. Each release should then be listed under its own title. Releases without a title should use the same title as the release group. If there are multiple releases from different sources, these should be distinguished in the release's disambiguation note.


'''Syntax:''' "''YYYY-MM-DD'': ''Location''", where Location is formatted: ''[Event, ][Venue, ]City, [State, ]Country''" (Items in square brackets are optional).
This guideline must not be used for live bootleg compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live sessions, e.g. [[Release:bbf5373b-72e4-4f99-91c9-8467da030316|A Highway of Diamonds, Volume 1: The Never Ending Tour]].
*''Event'' is the name of the festival (e.g. ''Lollapalooza'', ''Woodstock'', etc.) or TV/radio program (e.g. ''Saturday Night Live'', ''Grammy Awards''), which may be included if applicable, particularly if the event/program name is more significant than the venue. It should not be used for tour names or generic event descriptions such as "in-store event"- this information should go in the annotation.

*''Venue'' is the name of the location (hotel, hall, stadium, etc.) where the concert took place. This may be blank if unknown, or if the location doesn't have a name, such as some festival sites.
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This guideline can be applied to release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings), e.g. [[Release:eeca59f9-cf55-4aba-89f7-f4bae8247ff5|2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands]].
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* ''City'' can be the city, town or village where the concert was held.

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* ''State'' is to further distinguish cities with identical names (such as ''Pasadena, TX'' in Texas vs ''Pasadena, CA'' in California) and may be referred to as a province in some countries. See [[State Abbreviations]].
If a live bootleg release is recorded in the Netherlands, put just "Netherlands" as the country as per the listing on the [[Release Country]] page.
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* ''Country'' is the country.

==Rationale==

In a lot of cases the most important information for live bootlegs is the date and location when the concert took place. Hiding this information for bootlegs where the person who compiled the release added a title means that it is harder to find a special recording of a live session, because live bootlegs often don't have a release date. Adding the venue is useful for finding all concerts an artist performed in one city over the years or all concerts that took place in a special location by using the search interface.

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==Examples==


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Examples:
=== Live bootlegs with a title ===
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* [[ReleaseGroup:74e48545-52e6-337e-b335-818a08c023d8|2000-11-29: United Center, Chicago, IL, USA]]
* [[ReleaseGroup:4a195737-98ad-32df-b836-2235561da4f7|2007-08-05: Lollapalooza, Grant Park, Chicago, IL, USA]] - includes festival name.
* [[ReleaseGroup:69d9c35f-2dd1-44f4-9ccf-a8a97cddcaec|1999-11-11: MTV Europe Music Awards, Dublin, Ireland]] - event name known, venue unknown


Multiple live bootlegs of the same concert may be grouped in the same Release Group. For example:
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;[[ReleaseGroup:42f8c188-4850-38a3-889e-e1b956be12fb|Elvis Has Just Left the Building]]
* Release group [[ReleaseGroup:1a0bc80a-4346-48f1-9086-87954cd8c42b|1993-10-05: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] contains the following releases:
: A collection of live Led Zeppelin songs, including several Elvis covers, spanning multiple, non-consecutive dates. Should not be extended.
** [[Release:f0d92067-3878-49c9-95f6-9de94e85ae75|1993-10-05: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] (untitled bootleg release)
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; [[ReleaseGroup:97c34c74-b2a2-3970-995b-238cd0fbb124|1980-12-21: Before the Exile! Rainbow Theatre, London, UK]]
** [[Release:b6cc41f1-33ae-4791-b2fc-11dffa0786e9|Feeling Like a Smashed Pumpkin]] (bootleg with title)
: This shows how punctuation marks replace the colon.


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Live bootlegs with a single, unique release title ''may'' extend the title of the release group with date and location information as above, using the syntax "''[YYYY-MM-DD: ]''Title''[: Location]''". If there is alternative dividing punctuation mark at the end of the title such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point (!), use that mark instead of the colon.
=== Live bootlegs without a title ===
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* Example: [[ReleaseGroup:97c34c74-b2a2-3970-995b-238cd0fbb124|1980-12-21: Before the Exile! Rainbow Theatre, London, UK]]


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This guideline can be applied to release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings), e.g. [[Release:eeca59f9-cf55-4aba-89f7-f4bae8247ff5|2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands]]. It does not apply to live bootleg compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live sessions. Examples:
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; [[ReleaseGroup:74e48545-52e6-337e-b335-818a08c023d8|2000-11-29: United Center, Chicago, IL, USA]]
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* [[ReleaseGroup:42f8c188-4850-38a3-889e-e1b956be12fb|Elvis Has Just Left the Building]] - a collection of live Led Zeppelin songs, including several Elvis covers, spanning multiple, non-consecutive dates.
: Uses date and location info for title of release group and release, as detailed above.
* [[ReleaseGroup:0f0210bc-2cd7-34ec-83a3-2644939c25d7|A Highway of Diamonds, Volume 1: The Never Ending Tour]] - many tracks from different concerts over a period of 9 years


=== Recordings ===
=== Release Group containing both types of releases ===


As specified on the [[Style/Recording#Live recordings|recordings style guide]], live recordings should have a disambiguation comment of "live", and may be extended with the date and location as above. See the [[Style/Recording#Live recordings|recordings]] entry for more examples.
; [[ReleaseGroup:1a0bc80a-4346-48f1-9086-87954cd8c42b|1993-10-05: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]]: A complete show, or at least all tracks from the same show, released under multiple titles, using the date and location for the release group and untitled release, and the specified bootleg title for that release.




Revision as of 08:48, 26 July 2013


Status: This page describes an active style guideline proposal and is not official.



Proposal number: RFC-Unassigned
Champion: User:th1rtyf0ur
Current status: Unknown



JIRA ticket STYLE-228

Application

This guideline applies to live bootleg recordings, and their associated release groups, releases, and recordings. It can also apply to official releases of live concerts that do not have any title information, such as concerts released on USB immediately after the show with missing or incomplete tags.

Guidelines

Live bootlegs should generally follow the normal style guidelines, with the below exceptions.

Releases

Releases with a title, such as most CD bootlegs, should use their own title per the general titles guide. Releases without titles, such as audience recordings, should follow the Release Group rules below for the release title.

Release Groups

Live bootleg Release Groups, and untitled live Releases, should be named by concatenating the date and location. The date should be formatted YYYY-MM-DD, including the year (YYYY), month (MM) and day of month (DD). Location should include the city and country, and may include an event name, venue and/or state.

Syntax: "YYYY-MM-DD: Location", where Location is formatted: [Event, ][Venue, ]City, [State, ]Country" (Items in square brackets are optional).

  • Event is the name of the festival (e.g. Lollapalooza, Woodstock, etc.) or TV/radio program (e.g. Saturday Night Live, Grammy Awards), which may be included if applicable, particularly if the event/program name is more significant than the venue. It should not be used for tour names or generic event descriptions such as "in-store event"- this information should go in the annotation.
  • Venue is the name of the location (hotel, hall, stadium, etc.) where the concert took place. This may be blank if unknown, or if the location doesn't have a name, such as some festival sites.
  • City can be the city, town or village where the concert was held.
  • State is to further distinguish cities with identical names (such as Pasadena, TX in Texas vs Pasadena, CA in California) and may be referred to as a province in some countries. See State Abbreviations.
  • Country is the country.

Examples:

Multiple live bootlegs of the same concert may be grouped in the same Release Group. For example:

Live bootlegs with a single, unique release title may extend the title of the release group with date and location information as above, using the syntax "[YYYY-MM-DD: ]Title[: Location]". If there is alternative dividing punctuation mark at the end of the title such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point (!), use that mark instead of the colon.

This guideline can be applied to release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings), e.g. 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands. It does not apply to live bootleg compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live sessions. Examples:

Recordings

As specified on the recordings style guide, live recordings should have a disambiguation comment of "live", and may be extended with the date and location as above. See the recordings entry for more examples.


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