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== Application ==
= Application =


This guideline applies to live [[Release#Status|bootleg]] recordings, and their associated [[Release Group|release groups]], [[Release|releases]], and [[Recording|recordings]]. It can also apply to [[Release#Status|official]] releases of live concerts that do not have any title information, such as concerts released on USB immediately after the show with missing or incomplete tags.
This guideline applies to live [[Release|releases]], [[Release Group|release groups]], and [[Recording|recordings]].


== Guidelines ==
= Guidelines =


Live bootlegs should generally follow the normal style guidelines, with the below exceptions.
Titles for live entities should generally follow the normal style guidelines, with the below exceptions.


=== Releases ===
== Releases ==


Releases with a title, such as most CD bootlegs, should use their own title per the general [[Style/Titles|titles guide]]. Releases without titles, such as audience recordings, should follow the ''Release Group'' rules below for the release title.
Releases with a title, such as most live CDs, should use their own title per the general [[Style/Titles|titles guide]]. Live releases without titles, such as audience recordings and untitled official live releases, should follow the ''Release Group'' rules below for the release title.


=== Release Groups ===
== Release Groups ==
===Grouping===
Multiple live releases of the same concert should be grouped in the same Release Group. For example:
* [[ReleaseGroup:1a0bc80a-4346-48f1-9086-87954cd8c42b|1993-10-05: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] (Release group) contains the following releases:
** [[Release:f0d92067-3878-49c9-95f6-9de94e85ae75|1993-10-05: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] (untitled bootleg release)
** [[Release:b6cc41f1-33ae-4791-b2fc-11dffa0786e9|Feeling Like a Smashed Pumpkin]] (bootleg with title)
* [[ReleaseGroup:def29e64-5cc8-4097-a9fe-a80e3b16b441|2008-12-07: Aragon Ballroom, Chicago, IL, USA]] (Release group) contains the following releases:
** [[Release:ede4f57e-82fb-4930-8a11-ba483da79ec3|2008-12-07: Aragon Ballroom, Chicago, IL, USA]] (untitled official CD release)
** [[Release:6bf9f68f-ea15-4fe5-84cf-4ca0a54674b3|2008-12-07: Aragon Ballroom, Chicago, IL, USA]] (untitled official digital release)
** [[Release:070c7bb4-38f4-4266-ac3a-c1ab29f10d60|2008-12-07: Aragon Ballroom, Chicago, IL, USA]] (untitled bootleg release)


===Titling===
Live bootleg Release Groups, and untitled live Releases, should be named by concatenating the date and location. The date should be formatted ''YYYY-MM-DD'', including the year (YYYY), month (MM) and day of month (DD). Location ''should'' include the city and country, and ''may'' include an event name, venue and/or state.
Live Release Groups, and untitled live Releases, should be named by concatenating the date and location, including as much information as is known and appropriate, following the format below.


'''Syntax:''' "''YYYY-MM-DD'': ''Location''", where Location is formatted: ''[Event, ][Venue, ]City, [State, ]Country''" (Items in square brackets are optional).
'''Syntax:''' "''YYYY-MM-DD: [Title: ][Event, ][Venue, ]City, [State, ]Country''".
*''YYYY-MM-DD'' is the date, formatted year-month-day. Month and day should be zero-padded, e.g. ''2001-05-07'' for May 7, 2001. If the month and/or day are unknown, they may be omitted (e.g. ''1975'', ''2003-08'').
*''Title'' is included if the release group/concert contains either a single, unique release title, or an official, titled release. If there is an alternative dividing punctuation mark at the end of the title, such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point (!), use that mark instead of the colon. If there are multiple bootleg titles for the same concert (and no official release title), this field should be omitted.
*''Event'' is the name of the festival (e.g. ''Lollapalooza'', ''Woodstock'', etc.) or TV/radio program (e.g. ''Saturday Night Live'', ''Grammy Awards''), which may be included if applicable, particularly if the event/program name is more significant than the venue. It should not be used for tour names or generic event descriptions such as "in-store event"- this information should go in the annotation.
*''Event'' is the name of the festival (e.g. ''Lollapalooza'', ''Woodstock'', etc.) or TV/radio program (e.g. ''Saturday Night Live'', ''Grammy Awards''), which may be included if applicable, particularly if the event/program name is more significant than the venue. It should not be used for tour names or generic event descriptions such as "in-store event"- this information should go in the annotation.
*''Venue'' is the name of the location (hotel, hall, stadium, etc.) where the concert took place. This may be blank if unknown, or if the location doesn't have a name, such as some festival sites.
*''Venue'' is the name of the location (hotel, hall, stadium, etc.) where the concert took place. This may be blank if unknown, if the location doesn't have a name (such as some festival sites), or if the event name by itself is unambiguous.
* ''City'' can be the city, town or village where the concert was held.
* ''City'' can be the city, town or village where the concert was held.
* ''State'' may be referred to as province, prefecture, etc. depending on the country, and should be included where commonly used (e.g. USA, Canada), or when needed to distinguish between cities of the same name in the same country (e.g. ''Sakura, Chiba, Japan'' vs ''Sakura, Tochigi, Japan'', or ''Perth, TAS, Australia'' vs ''Perth, WA, Australia'').
* ''State'' is to further distinguish cities with identical names (such as ''Pasadena, TX'' in Texas vs ''Pasadena, CA'' in California) and may be referred to as a province in some countries. See [[State Abbreviations]].
* ''Country'' is the country.
* ''Country'' is the country.


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* [[ReleaseGroup:4a195737-98ad-32df-b836-2235561da4f7|2007-08-05: Lollapalooza, Grant Park, Chicago, IL, USA]] - includes festival name.
* [[ReleaseGroup:4a195737-98ad-32df-b836-2235561da4f7|2007-08-05: Lollapalooza, Grant Park, Chicago, IL, USA]] - includes festival name.
* [[ReleaseGroup:69d9c35f-2dd1-44f4-9ccf-a8a97cddcaec|1999-11-11: MTV Europe Music Awards, Dublin, Ireland]] - event name known, venue unknown
* [[ReleaseGroup:69d9c35f-2dd1-44f4-9ccf-a8a97cddcaec|1999-11-11: MTV Europe Music Awards, Dublin, Ireland]] - event name known, venue unknown
* [[ReleaseGroup:97c34c74-b2a2-3970-995b-238cd0fbb124|1980-12-21: Before the Exile! Rainbow Theatre, London, UK]] - release group with a single, titled release, ending in alternate punctuation
* [[ReleaseGroup:b36243df-0bd4-427c-b5c3-07967f82e418|2012-12-10: Oceania Live in NYC: Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY, USA]] - release group with an official, titled release


===Additional Notes===


This guideline can be applied to release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings), e.g. [[Release:eeca59f9-cf55-4aba-89f7-f4bae8247ff5|2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands]]. It does not apply to live compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live sessions.
Multiple live bootlegs of the same concert may be grouped in the same Release Group. For example:
* [[ReleaseGroup:1a0bc80a-4346-48f1-9086-87954cd8c42b|1993-10-05: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] (Release group) contains the following releases:
** [[Release:f0d92067-3878-49c9-95f6-9de94e85ae75|1993-10-05: First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, USA]] (untitled bootleg release)
** [[Release:b6cc41f1-33ae-4791-b2fc-11dffa0786e9|Feeling Like a Smashed Pumpkin]] (bootleg with title)



Live bootlegs with a single, unique release title ''may'' extend the title of the release group with date and location information as above, using the syntax "[YYYY-MM-DD: ]Title[: Location]". If there is an alternative dividing punctuation mark at the end of the title, such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point (!), use that mark instead of the colon.
* ''Example:'' [[ReleaseGroup:97c34c74-b2a2-3970-995b-238cd0fbb124|1980-12-21: Before the Exile! Rainbow Theatre, London, UK]]


This guideline can be applied to release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings), e.g. [[Release:eeca59f9-cf55-4aba-89f7-f4bae8247ff5|2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands]]. It does not apply to live bootleg compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live sessions.
''Examples:''
''Examples:''
* [[ReleaseGroup:42f8c188-4850-38a3-889e-e1b956be12fb|Elvis Has Just Left the Building]] - ''a collection of live Led Zeppelin songs, including several Elvis covers, spanning multiple, non-consecutive dates.''
* [[ReleaseGroup:42f8c188-4850-38a3-889e-e1b956be12fb|Elvis Has Just Left the Building]] - ''a collection of live Led Zeppelin songs, including several Elvis covers, spanning multiple, non-consecutive dates.''
* [[ReleaseGroup:0f0210bc-2cd7-34ec-83a3-2644939c25d7|A Highway of Diamonds, Volume 1: The Never Ending Tour]] - ''compilation of live tracks from many different concerts over a period of 9 years''
* [[ReleaseGroup:0f0210bc-2cd7-34ec-83a3-2644939c25d7|A Highway of Diamonds, Volume 1: The Never Ending Tour]] - ''compilation of live tracks from many different concerts over a period of 9 years''


=== Recordings ===
== Recordings ==

For live recordings, enter the song name as the recording title and "live" as the recording disambiguation comment. If the date and/or location is known, this should also be added to the disambiguation comment following the same format as above, under Release Groups.


''Examples''
As specified on the [[Style/Recording#Live recordings|recordings style guide]], live recordings should have a disambiguation comment of "live", and may be extended with the date and location as above. See the [[Style/Recording#Live recordings|recordings]] entry for more examples.
* [[recording:3a4fa843-ccfe-4f1d-8bd7-6f718bc5cbe7|Train in Vain]] <span style="color:grey">(live, 1998-12-14: Telewest Arena, Newcastle, UK)</span>
* [[recording:69d6f35a-806f-470c-aa09-363f74318c38|Wake Up]] <span style="color:grey">(live, Los Angeles, CA, USA)</span>
* [[recording:3f8c8e54-278d-4805-9365-af1b39dc56bb|The Dance]] <span style="color:grey">(live, 2002)</span>
* [[recording:1527433f-8e9a-45f4-a21e-947d64e8d293|Candle in the Wind (single edit)]] <span style="color:grey">(live)</span>




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note: rename page/title from Live bootlegs to Live entities for generality (remove this section when/if it ever goes through :P)



Status: This page describes an active style guideline proposal and is not official.



Proposal number: RFC-STYLE-228
Champion: User:th1rtyf0ur
Current status: RFC
Initial Discussion


JIRA ticket STYLE-228

Application

This guideline applies to live releases, release groups, and recordings.

Guidelines

Titles for live entities should generally follow the normal style guidelines, with the below exceptions.

Releases

Releases with a title, such as most live CDs, should use their own title per the general titles guide. Live releases without titles, such as audience recordings and untitled official live releases, should follow the Release Group rules below for the release title.

Release Groups

Grouping

Multiple live releases of the same concert should be grouped in the same Release Group. For example:

Titling

Live Release Groups, and untitled live Releases, should be named by concatenating the date and location, including as much information as is known and appropriate, following the format below.

Syntax: "YYYY-MM-DD: [Title: ][Event, ][Venue, ]City, [State, ]Country".

  • YYYY-MM-DD is the date, formatted year-month-day. Month and day should be zero-padded, e.g. 2001-05-07 for May 7, 2001. If the month and/or day are unknown, they may be omitted (e.g. 1975, 2003-08).
  • Title is included if the release group/concert contains either a single, unique release title, or an official, titled release. If there is an alternative dividing punctuation mark at the end of the title, such as the question mark (?) or exclamation point (!), use that mark instead of the colon. If there are multiple bootleg titles for the same concert (and no official release title), this field should be omitted.
  • Event is the name of the festival (e.g. Lollapalooza, Woodstock, etc.) or TV/radio program (e.g. Saturday Night Live, Grammy Awards), which may be included if applicable, particularly if the event/program name is more significant than the venue. It should not be used for tour names or generic event descriptions such as "in-store event"- this information should go in the annotation.
  • Venue is the name of the location (hotel, hall, stadium, etc.) where the concert took place. This may be blank if unknown, if the location doesn't have a name (such as some festival sites), or if the event name by itself is unambiguous.
  • City can be the city, town or village where the concert was held.
  • State may be referred to as province, prefecture, etc. depending on the country, and should be included where commonly used (e.g. USA, Canada), or when needed to distinguish between cities of the same name in the same country (e.g. Sakura, Chiba, Japan vs Sakura, Tochigi, Japan, or Perth, TAS, Australia vs Perth, WA, Australia).
  • Country is the country.

Examples:

Additional Notes

This guideline can be applied to release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings), e.g. 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands. It does not apply to live compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live sessions.

Examples:

Recordings

For live recordings, enter the song name as the recording title and "live" as the recording disambiguation comment. If the date and/or location is known, this should also be added to the disambiguation comment following the same format as above, under Release Groups.

Examples


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