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This page is for collecting information about languages currently spoken by Moderators. This could help with various matters, for example when you are editing an entry in a language you don't know well and wish to have advice from someone who knows the language better. |
This page is for collecting information about languages currently spoken by Moderators. This could help with various matters, for example when you are editing an entry in a language you don't know well and wish to have advice from someone who knows the language better. |
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See [[:Category:Moderator Language]] for a list of all languages spoken by users. |
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The following [[Sub Page|SubPage]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s list all moderators who speak that language |
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{{Navigation|children|1}} |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">(This list is automatically generated) |
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Please add your native language(s) and any others that you feel proficient in or knowledgeable about. |
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'''This is how it works:''' Add the languages you know ''to your [[User Page|UserPage]]'' like this <code><nowiki>["ModeratorLanguage/Klingon/Native"]</nowiki></code> if you would speak Klingon natively. This way people will be able to find you using the [[Back Link|BackLink]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s to the language-pages above. There are three degrees of how good you speak a language, each represented by a [[Sub Page|SubPage]]: <code><nowiki>/Native</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>/Fluent</nowiki></code>, and <code><nowiki>/Some</nowiki></code>. |
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'''''N.B.''''' do not use <code><nowiki>[:...:...]</nowiki></code> links with free text, ''e.g.'' <code><nowiki>[:ModeratorLanguage/Klingon/Native:tlhIngan Hol]</nowiki></code>; due to a [[Moin Moin|MoinMoin]] bug they aren't recognised on the language-page (see Discussion below). |
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If you find that these links do not lead anywhere, then you might have to create the language pages (e.g. if you are the first person on this wiki to add themselves with a new language). In this case please create the following pages (example using Klingon): |
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* The langugage page <code><nowiki>ModeratorLanguage/Klingon/</nowiki></code> as a [[Sub Page|SubPage]] to ModeratorLanguage. You can use the [[Moderator Language Template|ModeratorLanguageTemplate]] for that. |
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* The three Sub-<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>[[Sub Page|SubPage]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s: <code><nowiki>/Native</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>/Fluent</nowiki></code>, and <code><nowiki>/Some</nowiki></code>. Those pages should just contain one line: <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT ModeratorLanguage/Klingon/</nowiki></code>. That's it. |
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If you are willing to provide translation help to others, please add your information to [[Online Translator|OnlineTranslator]] under "Other Resources" as shown, thanks |
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==Discussion== |
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Does anyone know why I (and [[User:Zout|Zout]], and maybe others) aren't listed? I really don't need this feature actually, but just letting you know there might be some people missing from the lists... --[[User:azertus|azertus]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Just because didn't add yourself. Read the section above and modify your userpage then you will be listed. Everyone has to do this himself. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Sigh, I did add myself and I used to be listed... --[[User:azertus|azertus]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Looking at your userpage you are not added correctly ;) --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]] |
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</ul>Thanks for mentioning this. It seems that <code><nowiki>[:ModeratorLanguage/Dutch/Native:Dutch]</nowiki></code> does link to the page, but is not counted as a valid link by the search <code><nowiki>[[FullSearch(linkto:ModeratorLanguage/Dutch/Native)]]</nowiki></code>. On the other hand, <code><nowiki>["ModeratorLanguage/Dutch/Native"]</nowiki></code> seems to work. I found this to be a known [[Moin Moin|MoinMoin]] bug: [[MoinMoin:MoinMoinBugs/WikiParserInterwikiLinkDetectionBug|MoinMoinBugs/WikiParserInterwikiLinkDetectionBug]]. This means you ''must'' link to your ModeratorLanguage using the <code><nowiki>["ModeratorLanguage/Klingon/Native"]</nowiki></code> syntax until the bug gets fixed and our Wiki updated. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] |
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For each language you wish to include, add <code><nowiki>{{lang </nowiki>''code''-''fluency''<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> to your user page. |
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===Is This Bad Terminology?=== |
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Replace ''code'' with the ISO 639 code for the language and replace ''fluency'' with <code>native</code>, <code>fluent</code> or <code>some</code>. Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes list of ISO 639-1 language codes] (if there is no ISO 639-1 code, ISO 639-3 codes can be used instead). |
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====Tentative Summary==== |
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For example, if you are a native English speaker, you would add <code><nowiki>{{lang en-native}}</nowiki></code>. If you're a fluent speaker of Spanish, you would add <code><nowiki>{{lang es-fluent}}</nowiki></code> and if you can speak some Russian, you would add <code><nowiki>{{lang ru-some}}</nowiki></code>. |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Moderator is [[Bad Terminology|BadTerminology]]. The most adequate replacement seems to be ''contributor''. Therefore this page could be renamed to [[Contributor Language|ContributorLanguage]]. See [[Bad Terminology|BadTerminology]] for further details and [[MusicBrainz Contributor|MusicBrainzContributor]] for an explanation of the term in general. |
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If you are the first person to add a language/fluency level, you may find that there is no existing template, in which case you may want to create the page by copying and adapting the code from an existing template, e.g. [[:Template:lang en-native|lang en-native]], [[:Template:lang en-fluent|lang en-fluent]] and [[:Template:lang en-some|lang en-some]]. |
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ModeratorLanguage is [[Bad Terminology|BadTerminology]]. In the replace-moderator-by-editor-process it should probably be called [[Editor Language|EditorLanguage]]. However I don't like reducing the persons here just to the job of editing the database so I prefer [[User Language|UserLanguage]]. On the other hand you could say the purpose of these language pages is to find people to help you with editing. But that does not mean they are themselves active editors. If we get a consensus on a new name I will rename all pages and fix the links. --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">To quote myself from [[Bad Terminology|BadTerminology]]: |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">>>We try to say "edit" or "vote" instead of "moderate" were ever this is possible. It seems, however, that there are cases where you ''have'' to use the term "moderate". These are cases like "[[Edit Note|ModerationNote]]" or "moderator" which refer to something that has to do with ''both'' editing and voting. I thus propose to officially declare "moderate" to be good terminology if and only if it refers to both editing and voting.<< |
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</ul>and that's exactly what is the case here. This page is about the language of people who both edit and vote. [[User Language|UserLanguage]] is not a good alternative, since there are users of [[MusicBrainz]], who only use the data but never edit nor vote. Moderator really seems to be irreplacable in some contexts. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] <br/> |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I agree with this, I don't really like the idea of adding *another* term ~[[User:mo| mr.wetsock]]<br/> <br/> Might Contributer be a better choice? It avoids the problem that moderator has of having been used for too many things already and neatly encompasses everyone that uses the site for more than just tagging - developers who contribute code, editors contributing data, and voters contributing time to check that data. You and ruaok do not edit or vote much so while you would fail both parts of the definition you gave for moderator I don't think anyone would argue that you're not both major contributers. --[[User:DJKC|DJKC]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Ding! Everyone who contributes regulary to MB is a candidate for providing help in language issues. Therefore I think [[Contributor Language|ContributorLanguage]] would be the most correct term - but not very intuitive. :/ --[[User:Shepard|Shepard]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">True, although a list of spoken languages isn't that common either outside of translation projects, so people that are looking for that sort of help or browsing user pages that have it set should still come across it without too much problem. At the very least it's better than something like LanguagesWhatWeSpeak --[[User:DJKC|DJKC]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Please, can we continue this discussion on [[Bad Terminology|BadTerminology]]? I really like this proposal and have tried to summarize it on that page. Although I somehow doubt that people will start to say [[Contribution Note|ContributionNote]] for [[Edit Note|ModNote]]. --[[User:DonRedman|DonRedman]] |
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Revision as of 04:57, 17 March 2009
This page is for collecting information about languages currently spoken by Moderators. This could help with various matters, for example when you are editing an entry in a language you don't know well and wish to have advice from someone who knows the language better.
See Category:Moderator Language for a list of all languages spoken by users.
How to Add Yourself
For each language you wish to include, add {{lang code-fluency}} to your user page.
Replace code with the ISO 639 code for the language and replace fluency with native, fluent or some. Wikipedia has a list of ISO 639-1 language codes (if there is no ISO 639-1 code, ISO 639-3 codes can be used instead).
For example, if you are a native English speaker, you would add {{lang en-native}}. If you're a fluent speaker of Spanish, you would add {{lang es-fluent}} and if you can speak some Russian, you would add {{lang ru-some}}.
If you are the first person to add a language/fluency level, you may find that there is no existing template, in which case you may want to create the page by copying and adapting the code from an existing template, e.g. lang en-native, lang en-fluent and lang en-some.
