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* Please create a specific user for all the automated edits, that will then be given a bot status. See e.g. [[Editor:ffimon_bot]]. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
* Please create a specific user for all the automated edits, that will then be given a bot status. See e.g. [[Editor:ffimon_bot]]. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:* Ah, I checked for something like this, but could not find anything in the docs. I created [[Editor:JeroenBot]]. [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:* Ah, I checked for something like this, but could not find anything in the docs. I created [[Editor:JeroenBot]]. [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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* Please limit the number of open edits. You saying that your scripts/reports are error prone and that you're ready to react (cancel edit, fix script) each time someone finds a mistake. However if you're flooding the open edits queue, nobody will ever be able to review your edits and the errors will just silently pass. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)  
 
* Please limit the number of open edits. You saying that your scripts/reports are error prone and that you're ready to react (cancel edit, fix script) each time someone finds a mistake. However if you're flooding the open edits queue, nobody will ever be able to review your edits and the errors will just silently pass. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)  
 
:* What would you propose? [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:* What would you propose? [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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::* You have currently way too much open edits (~7000). So I suggest you to wait before editing again, and then limit yourself to 500-1000 ''open'' edits. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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* Do you plan to open the source of your scripts? I'm not interested in running them, but if I'm able to check how you're doing your business, I may be able to spot errors at source. And I'm not really inclined to trust a black box machine. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
* Do you plan to open the source of your scripts? I'm not interested in running them, but if I'm able to check how you're doing your business, I may be able to spot errors at source. And I'm not really inclined to trust a black box machine. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:* Sure, if it helps. Do you have a proposed way of doing that? [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:* Sure, if it helps. Do you have a proposed way of doing that? [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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::* Not really. If I'm the only one interested, you can just sent them by mail or upload them somewhere. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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* Do you really 100% trust Discogs? [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)  
 
* Do you really 100% trust Discogs? [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)  
 
:* No, of course not, just like I don't 100% trust MusicBrainz. But I make sure that the tools will never repeat the same edit, so if there's a fix, it won't be re-added. It helps that editors are watching the artists they know. By the way, I'm not focusing on Discogs in particular. I think the next data source on my roadmap are the structured infoboxes on Wikipedia. [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:* No, of course not, just like I don't 100% trust MusicBrainz. But I make sure that the tools will never repeat the same edit, so if there's a fix, it won't be re-added. It helps that editors are watching the artists they know. By the way, I'm not focusing on Discogs in particular. I think the next data source on my roadmap are the structured infoboxes on Wikipedia. [[User:Jeroen|Jeroen]] 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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::* FYI Wikipedia content is covered by a different license (CC), so you may not be allowed to extract information there to include it here. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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* Focus on releases. Currently you're doing 1 or 2 edits on a release then change to a completely unrelated release/artist/track. Instead: pick a release, try to add as much "safe" information as you can, then continue on a new release. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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* Don't add partial credits. E.g. it happens that you add a "composed by" credit for only one artist while the work was done by 2 or more artists. I'd prefer that you do not enter any information rather than partial and misleading information. [[User:Murdos|Murdos]] 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
  
 
==Spotter errors. Are they fixed?==
 
==Spotter errors. Are they fixed?==

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A few comments on the method

  • Please create a specific user for all the automated edits, that will then be given a bot status. See e.g. Editor:ffimon_bot. Murdos 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Ah, I checked for something like this, but could not find anything in the docs. I created Editor:JeroenBot. Jeroen 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Please limit the number of open edits. You saying that your scripts/reports are error prone and that you're ready to react (cancel edit, fix script) each time someone finds a mistake. However if you're flooding the open edits queue, nobody will ever be able to review your edits and the errors will just silently pass. Murdos 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • What would you propose? Jeroen 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • You have currently way too much open edits (~7000). So I suggest you to wait before editing again, and then limit yourself to 500-1000 open edits. Murdos 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Do you plan to open the source of your scripts? I'm not interested in running them, but if I'm able to check how you're doing your business, I may be able to spot errors at source. And I'm not really inclined to trust a black box machine. Murdos 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Sure, if it helps. Do you have a proposed way of doing that? Jeroen 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Not really. If I'm the only one interested, you can just sent them by mail or upload them somewhere. Murdos 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Do you really 100% trust Discogs? Murdos 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • No, of course not, just like I don't 100% trust MusicBrainz. But I make sure that the tools will never repeat the same edit, so if there's a fix, it won't be re-added. It helps that editors are watching the artists they know. By the way, I'm not focusing on Discogs in particular. I think the next data source on my roadmap are the structured infoboxes on Wikipedia. Jeroen 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • FYI Wikipedia content is covered by a different license (CC), so you may not be allowed to extract information there to include it here. Murdos 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Focus on releases. Currently you're doing 1 or 2 edits on a release then change to a completely unrelated release/artist/track. Instead: pick a release, try to add as much "safe" information as you can, then continue on a new release. Murdos 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Don't add partial credits. E.g. it happens that you add a "composed by" credit for only one artist while the work was done by 2 or more artists. I'd prefer that you do not enter any information rather than partial and misleading information. Murdos 08:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Spotter errors. Are they fixed?

  • Edit:12582655 Two different artists added for only one performance credit. Murdos 15:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Will do that. Nothing is running now, but before I restart I will add a check for common 'ancestors' in the equivalence map. Jeroen 16:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)