History talk:Untitled Track Style

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Remember that ArtistIntent always outweighs the StyleGuideline, so if tracks are deliberatly untitled, they should not be given an unofficial name.

  • Hmm, can you give examples of when a track is 'deliberatly untitled' and when it is not? i can think of some, but i think i'd argue that when the unofficial titles reach a certain level of proliferation, then the artists wishes don't really matter? i'm not sure. hmm! --Gecks I assume this means that if a silent track is named on the album (eg the 13th track on Furious Angels, called 'Pause') then the track should not be renamed [silence]... I did think that was a little odd. --Deebster

I've kept DataTrackStyle separate, because that also deals with a SpecialPurposeArtist named [data track]. --Zout

This guideline incorporates the old SilenceTrackStyle, the old UntitledTrackStyle and the OldUnnamedTrackStyleProposal. --Zout

Note that it's difficult to define things when 'song' and 'track' are used as synonyms, even if they are not. --Zout

The only potential problem I can see: people continually reediting the lower case descriptors. Possible solution: a list of "preferred" descriptors to be used unless none are appropriate. -- MichelleW

  • That is not my experience; when the descriptors are correct, i.e. it doesn't say "[guitar solo]" when it's a drum solo, editors do not touch it. This style is being applied to all Pearl Jam live releases, with not even once the potential problem you mention. --Zout

Regarding rule 1.1 - I think this needs to be extended to album names as well, for untitled albums that have a common name. Perhaps not on this page, mind. UntitledReleaseStyle? --Gecks

  • If you create the wiki page, people are much more likely to agree ;) --Zout

How do you indicate that a track is hidden or unlisted if it has an official title elsewhere? Torc 20:23, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I would use the annotation for this. Do you mean, an indication in the actual track name? If the hidden track has an official title then there isn't a need for brackets or other markers. --Bitmap
It just seems like there should be a way to format these titles that allows us to indicate when the song or track isn't included on the tracklist, even if there's an official name for it. A lot of releases were entered based on the tracklist printed on the CD or online. Without knowing whether a named song is typically hidden, it's impossible to determine whether there are really one or two versions of the release, so users don't know if a version listed for sale is the same as the one listed here, or whether certain UPC codes match to hidden or unhidden tracks. Even just allowing "[unlisted]" on the tracklist would suffice. Torc 01:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
If a song has an official name, why not use it? Title the track "Song 1 / Song 2". --navap 17:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree it should be used, but there should be some way of indicating that it isn't listed on the CD tracklist, like maybe: "12. Listed Song Title / [silence] / Hidden Song Official Title [unlisted]". Otherwise a user might see that song listed, not see it on the tracklist on their CD, and assume they have a different version. Torc 11:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)