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Revision as of 08:40, 2 August 2007
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Languages :
- Français 86% I am native French (Oui madame)
- English 60% I know a bit more than just « My tailor is rich » or so do I pretend
- Tiếng Việt 18% Only basic++ stuff « Chào bạn. Bạn ăn cơm chưa? »
- 日本語 01% as in « Uh! What did you just say? » 私の日本語のレベルは、およそ01パーセントです。
About
I think I came to a point where I wonder what is MB really useful for. The MetaBrainz Foundation Annual Report 2006 made me wonder what so much money were really spent for. I came here to catalog my CDs somehow and to maybe one day tag some mp3, but I just realized that if that's what I want, I won't be very satisfied with this or that (2 personal vain attempts in my opinion). I just can make my html page somewhere or why even cataloging my CD in the first place ? As for tagging mp3, I realize I still tag them by hand.
SO, now I come here to fix some common french mistakes and to input some vietnamese when I can.
I don't really know why but I have a fondness for unicode characters. I think it's somehow the greatest improvement in computers of these last years. So it's maybe for this reason that I like it to replace those french mistakes like coeur to cœur. I made a special windows keyboard driver to type all the french special characters because, unfortunately, only canadian keyboards have them.
It may be the same passion for accuracy and cool characters, and above all, to improve my vietnamese, that I like to add missing accents on vietnamese song titles and artist names.
Well if each editor has a personal motivation, however strange, but it makes the MusicBrainz move on forward — even just a little — I think it's OK. I'm now making small steps forward trying not to make any backwards.
AutoEditor
I had the surprise to be proposed as an AutoEditor by Kerensky97.
I had already thought about whether I would like to be one or not and I came to the conclusion that I was too much capricious, stubborn and that I had very personal point of views too often to be a good AutoEditor. So thank you Kerensky97 and mudcrow and Editor:jellyfish who seconded his proposal. Thank you very much for your trust.
I fear I am too partial to be an autoeditor. I might irritate some people. And I have little time also.
dmppanda just made me discover a discussion about the vote here 6856731.
- Kerensky97 (2007.4.3 20:57 UTC)
- Olivier (dmppanda) (2007.4.4 14:47 UTC)
- Kerensky97 (2007.4.6 20:23 UTC)
- Olivier (2007.4.6 01:07 UTC)
- ZaphodBeeblebrox (mo) (2007.4.6 21:22 UTC)
Thank you guys! That's very… (how to say in english?) touching. Indeed, I agree with all of you. If you had asked me – like you suggested, mo – I would certainly have said something like dmppanda's it's too early. :)
- It's OK this way, really!
You can ignore everything below this line. I let these because I use them sometimes but I would like to do some sorting to delete what became useless and space wasting.
Mémo +
MusicBrainz's MoinMoin syntax chart :
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✖ | ✖ | ✔ | [wiki:Artist:1f245b43-f9ba-4d02-a70b-cd08a99cd1c9 AJICO] |
AJICO |
✖ | ✖ | ✔ | [wiki:Album:1f7cc2e1-553a-40dd-b81e-256b3b7b733b 深緑] |
深緑 |
✖ | ✖ | ✔ | [wiki:Track:641e5a82-6b40-4a2a-a4fa-e2344c07a801 波動] |
波動 |
? | ? | ✔ | [wiki:Label:f31e1603-a456-4397-950e-e1a051487f75 Victor Entertainment] |
Victor Entertainment |
✖ | ✖ | ✔ | Editor:dmppanda |
dmppanda |
✖ | ✔ | ✔ | Edit:123456 |
123456 |
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MultipleTitleStyle
Useful for liên khúc (MedleyStyle) or hidden songs (MultipleTitleStyle)
Several songs in a track →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-multiple-names Several titles →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-multiple-names
Tranliteration edit note
Pseudo-release for Transliterations and Translations →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#albumattrguide-attr-status-Pseudo-Release
A&B edit note
Collaboration →http://musicbrainz.org/style.html#styleguide-feat-artist-sec
bonus disc edit note
Bonus disc 2 →http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DiscNumberStyle
Amazon gp/prd edit note
exec/obidos→gp/product
Useless aliases edit note
Unaccented alias or sortname not needed anymore http://musicbrainz.org/doc/EditingFAQ#head-a2da711027614cf1a3cc602516b6a6301a5d9051 http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=890#p890
Dico fr
http://babylon.com/definition/chœur/ http://babylon.com/definition/cœur/ http://babylon.com/definition/être/ http://babylon.com/definition/œil/ http://babylon.com/definition/œuf/ http://babylon.com/definition/sœur/
Noms de langues, religions, gens, etc.
Gens(People): Maj ; langues(tongues) & religions: min →http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_des_majuscules_en_français#Langues.2C_gentil.C3.A9s.2C_pays_et_nationalit.C3.A9s
PUID
Genuine PUIDs (lossless rip of original and official CD) —
Caractères utiles
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To do
Artist relationships
- Put collaboration artists on tracks of Nephews according to the official listing
- Put writers/composers on 空の小屋 (disc 1) and 空の小屋 (disc 2) tracks
Tiếng Việt
Finnish tiếng Việt fix of incomplete tiếng Việt in following American releases — I have started for tracks for which it's easy only.
- The Music of Vietnam, Vol.1.1 (there must be other volumes to check too)
- Folk Songs of Vietnam lời nhạc!
- 1 Hát hội [trăng rằm] , Hát hỏi ? 3 Gió đánh đò đưa ? 6 ? 7 ? 9 Lý chè hường (thé (n) parfumé) ?
Dân ca Những bài hát ViệtSky ubtdtt Một đĩa dân ca nhacvn.pdf nhac1vn.pdf
French
Search edits
- add release + not me + newest 1st + vi
- open + not me + not voted + oldest 1st + vi
- open + not me + not voted + oldest 1st + ja
- open + not me + not voted + oldest 1st + fr
Hot topics
Capitalisation
What
As dmppanda said, I don't Like This Odd and Funny Capitalization system (6608599). I wonder where it comes from in the beginning (From English language habits?). The version of Picard I have doesn't allow to override the uppercase/lowercase scheme so the way titles are named would impact me if I used MusicBrainz to tag files. It impacts everyone using MusicBrainz to tag in fact, having them to apply an Action in mp3tag afterwards for example.
Why
It makes reading uncomfortable, unpleasant, slower and it's aesthetically questionable.
Where
As long as this comes up only in english language I don't have my word to say because I am totally unaware of rules that are usually used in there. But when I see French With Those FunNy thIngs (CapitalizationStandardFrench), that makes me wonder… I am french and never used nor read this often except from people who are used to name their MP3 like this and they don't know why. I think it's even worse for romanised Japanese as Uppercase and Lowercase is something that doesn't exist in Japanese (CapitalizationStandardJapanese). I could at most understand Uppercase for カタカナ and lower case for the rest (ひらがな、漢字) or uppercase only for first letter of proper nouns and first letter of title.
What I advocate
Keep it simple (KISS).
- Use lowercase for every character except
- First letter of the title is in UPPERCASE
- First letter of proper nouns is in UPPERCASE
CapitalizationStandardJapanese
Same as CapitalizationStandardFrench or even simpler :) :
- Use lowercase for every character except
- カタカナ is in UPPERCASE
Who
I respect everyone's point of view (I am myself, a real pain), I just put here this list to remember everyone's :) It's a personal interpretation of editors intention based on one or more edits or statements I came across so I may be all wrong (thanks Editor:murdos for making me realize this ;) ).
Editors who use Funny Capitalization (I mean no offense)
- Editor:dmppanda uses it for everything while he doesn't like it
- Hey there. Funny to find my name here, on top of the bad boys list :)-. I don't actually mind you freely interpret and represent what I think and do about Capitalization questions - be it "true" or not to what I actually think and do - as long as you don't mind keeping this note here, as readers may want to have a different truth, straight from the horse's mouth - errrrr panda's mouth: CapitalizationStandardFrench has nothing to do with CapitalizationStandardEnglish. There's no "it": each language has its own set of rules. So, I suggest you keep the issues separated (actually, I don't have any kind of opinion about romanized japanese capitalization). Neither english or french cap are derived from "people's habits who are used to name their MP3 like this and they don't know why" ("not knowing why" being more your own situation as you stated above) - but, as clearly indicated (from the CapitalizationStandardFrench), they are derived from typographic conventions and current usage at Wikipedia, who can hardly be regarded as people doing fUnNy thINgs. Both supporters and detractors of the current (french) SG have publicly admitted that typographic conventions are rich, have a lot of variants, and are not universally followed either way. If you take a look at a bookshelf, you will definitely find examples - so I guess your statement that you've never seen anything like that is... clearly an exageration :p - unless you're french and illiterate, which I'm sure you're not (illiterate that is :-)). As for your questions about their origin, I hope I addressed it just above (if not enough, hopefully, you can research things yourself now, and read typography related articles, at Wikipedia for example). During this summer discussion, it was suggested that we should follow the common practice in libraries. There, you will find one of the origin of some french capitalization rules: sorting. Now, about the supposed complexity of the rules, both the supporters and detractors admitted they were not complex (including some non-native)... I'm somewhat confused that we finally found someone thinking they are... Indeed, they are way simpler than english cap for example. Last, a slightly unrelated note: your "voting policy" doesn't mention that you first (before anything else) check if a release is there or not... I'm sure you do, and you possibly want to state that in your policy, don't you? -- dmppanda 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- You're welcome here Panda! Thanks! For the duplicate check : No I did not do that. In fact I never thought someone could think of inserting a duplicate release, I realise it could happen not sooner than today with the 6606479. Thanks for pointing this out :) – Well yes you found someone who thinks 15 lines of rules and exceptions were more complex than the simple 3 lines rule I wrote above :) – No I'm not illiterate :) In fact, I checked my books for the first time right now and I found very few FuNNy CaPPeD ones... I even found 2 books in the same serie that use different system (same collection same everything) « Les fourmis » and « Le Jour des fourmis »... Why « Jour » (2nd book) and not « Fourmis » (1st book)... By the way, I'm so relieved that my favourite book is printed the perfect way « La main gauche de la nuit » ;) – ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 0:36
- Probably because the (cheap) publisher hired two different typographers and/or couldn't be bothered to be consistent. Fortunately, libraries and serious online resources like Wikipedia, use a standardized capitalization. Look at: [[[Image:pho1_172708.jpg]] this] is your favorite book... which sure appears as this on Wikipedia... La Main gauche de la nuit. Funny, hey? :-) . -- dmppanda 08:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think I sound like a stuborn but most of my book titles are good looking, like « La main… ». BTW I don't know of foreigners who can spot a substantif or a qualificatif in a french title… Well I know what to do for the moment : I stick to Vietnamese releases and some Japanese where there is not yet El33t STyLe titling — Yes I love pestering you with this FunNy cApS 7h|Ng ;) ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 14:49 (France)
- Ok... so you have the "Livre de poche" edition, right? So, would you actually trust the publisher catalog? (as we all know "covers" are not consistent between different editions, especially covers with fancy fonts) - then here you go: "La Main gauche de la nuit", on the publisher website... -- dmppanda 13:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think I sound like a stuborn but most of my book titles are good looking, like « La main… ». BTW I don't know of foreigners who can spot a substantif or a qualificatif in a french title… Well I know what to do for the moment : I stick to Vietnamese releases and some Japanese where there is not yet El33t STyLe titling — Yes I love pestering you with this FunNy cApS 7h|Ng ;) ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 14:49 (France)
- Probably because the (cheap) publisher hired two different typographers and/or couldn't be bothered to be consistent. Fortunately, libraries and serious online resources like Wikipedia, use a standardized capitalization. Look at: [[[Image:pho1_172708.jpg]] this] is your favorite book... which sure appears as this on Wikipedia... La Main gauche de la nuit. Funny, hey? :-) . -- dmppanda 08:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- You're welcome here Panda! Thanks! For the duplicate check : No I did not do that. In fact I never thought someone could think of inserting a duplicate release, I realise it could happen not sooner than today with the 6606479. Thanks for pointing this out :) – Well yes you found someone who thinks 15 lines of rules and exceptions were more complex than the simple 3 lines rule I wrote above :) – No I'm not illiterate :) In fact, I checked my books for the first time right now and I found very few FuNNy CaPPeD ones... I even found 2 books in the same serie that use different system (same collection same everything) « Les fourmis » and « Le Jour des fourmis »... Why « Jour » (2nd book) and not « Fourmis » (1st book)... By the way, I'm so relieved that my favourite book is printed the perfect way « La main gauche de la nuit » ;) – ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 0:36
- Editor:Kerensky97 uses it for romanized Japanese (6621588, …)
Editors who don't like it (besides me)
- Editor:mll (6541497)
Editors who want further discussion to find a consensus
I absolutely fail to understand how any of these edits you link to (both Editor:mll and Editor:murdos edits) demonstrate a dislike/like of CapitalizationStandardFrench... -- dmppanda 11:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Because both 6603788 and 6541497 are simplifications which are similar to my 3 line simple CAP rule. Anyway, this section is temporary because I don't really understand its usefulness myself apart from (me) having a bit of reflection at some time… ♡jesus2099- 2007.3.28 14:49 (France)
- Well... that sounds also very similar to the 5 lines cap rules we have... Go sentence case most time... unless you meet one of the following cases (and none of these edits deal with any of the specific cases). -- dmppanda 13:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes it's exactly what I mean by complex : « Do this. Unless you are in one of those 5 exceptions » ;-D j2 20070328_1624
- You know, all things can't be simple in life, sometimes you have to met more complex things... this is how humankind has evolved :p BTW if you have difficulty with 5 exceptions, you should have some difficulty with French tongue too with ALL its exceptions (e.g. with plural forms : plural of word in 'ou' are the word + 's' unless the word is bijou, caillou, ...), no? ;-) -- murdos 15:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes :) (j2)
- You know, all things can't be simple in life, sometimes you have to met more complex things... this is how humankind has evolved :p BTW if you have difficulty with 5 exceptions, you should have some difficulty with French tongue too with ALL its exceptions (e.g. with plural forms : plural of word in 'ou' are the word + 's' unless the word is bijou, caillou, ...), no? ;-) -- murdos 15:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes it's exactly what I mean by complex : « Do this. Unless you are in one of those 5 exceptions » ;-D j2 20070328_1624
- Well... that sounds also very similar to the 5 lines cap rules we have... Go sentence case most time... unless you meet one of the following cases (and none of these edits deal with any of the specific cases). -- dmppanda 13:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Random links
Some nice users
- Kerensky97 who introduced me to MB and who is great advice
- MB : Kerensky97 open edits — Forums : Kerensky97 all posts
- kuno (nl) who reads 한글 and who codes Hello! CMS
- MB : kuno open edits — Forums : kuno all posts
- MLL (fr) from whom I stole the profile layout — he said I was a thief — True :)
- MB : mll open edits — Forums : mll all posts
- mo (no) who is great knowledge and advice
- MB : mo open edits — Forums : ZaphodBeeblebrox all posts
- MB : murdos open edits So, now I know where this frenzy came from. ;) -- mll 20:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- rowaasr13 (ru) with whom I had some nice arguments ;)
- MB : rowaasr13 open edits — Forums : rowaasr13 all posts
- dmppanda (fr) who is very vigilant on some topics ;)
- MB : dmppanda open edits — Forums : Mangled all posts
Edits of note
- 6153046 Collaboration between Artist A & Artist B is better than (feat. …) when there is no primary/secondary artist — 6599211
- 6179518 Online releases (must allow) :/
- 6194551 Putting links to related edits in edit notes is nice
- 6194577 English and native Wikipedia are enough, aren't they? — WikipediaRelationshipType 2836695 3359136 3448648
- 6224303 For each collaboration artist "A & B", create "B & A" alias
- 6224311 Unaccentuated aliases become useless due to cool lucene search engine
- 6303572 Cool multi-song track from Various Artists — 6442814
- 6374131 Good idea to put garbage in alias for garbage players to find correct artists — MisencodingFAQ
- 6383630 Nice bonus disc title style — DiscNumberStyle 6599157
- 6383696 In my opinion, people's identity is defined by the birth name + first name pair. Marital name should be an alias — 6383703 6598638 Or better maybe, marital AR when it exists
- 6394220 Last time I don't vote Abstain on undocumented edits
- 6463562 Interesting to point out that Picard doesn't submit terminal [data] tracks. Hopefully it does submit starting [data] tracks
- 6589760 Vraiment Moche Toutes Ces Majuscules On ne Sait pas Où en Plus!
- 6599157 Another complex title - Strange Panda sometimes
- 6599211 Respect the sleeve indications concerning (feat. …)
- 6604220 Should choose a Romanization of Japanese system
- 6629119 Yes vote to an partially correct release
- 6631648 Avoid [Multiple languages]
- 6636674 Gens : Maj. ; Langues & religions : min. (Usage des majuscules en français)
- 6641503 used for checking the marvelous MB MoinMoin syntax chart
- 6659666 along with 6659626 no more trouble — cease interference with other's caps edits in most cases
- 6656802 Don't be too much for Lucene. It's OK with fancy accentuated characters but not too fancy characters like Fraction "⁄" (2044) bar in this case
- 6664624 A maybe good argument for changing homepage URL from complex URL to simple domains (that may link to the complex URL anyway) Same here 6672957
- 6708751 ポリドール・レコード 6708822 Polydor Records (alias) 6708830 Created in 1927 – Polydor Japan label not wanted. Now avoid creating any, just use random existing similar label name instead.
- There is only one thing that is not wanted, and it is approximative editing, try-and-guess label creation, and random assumptions about label status, name and existence. Such editing behavior will always meet resistance (at least) from me, and is very likely to generate no votes and comments. Anything else will get happy yes votes. Pretending you're meeting undue resistance to try hide the fact your edits are less than accurate is IMHO just lame and clearly disrespectful. Please note that your last sentence ("Now avoid creating any, just use random existing similar label name instead") will grant you additional no votes as well, and will badly hurt your credibility as an editor: if this is your new leitmotiv (and this sounds like something I already heard from you), fair enough - but don't expect sympathy. As you mentioned in one of the edit notes, it's bad for you that MusicBrainz is actually causing you troubles in your professional life. That doesn't mean your fellow editors have to suffer your bad mood. Now, you have the choice to be a good editor (and you'll receive all the help and support that can be). You also have the choice to be a pain and a sloppy editor (and no acid notes like this one will help in hiding that). Take your pick. I sincerely hope it will be the first choice. -- dmppanda 08:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- 6725486 Merging 鄧麗君 and テレサ・テン or not?
- 7193161 When a LYRICIST or COMPOSER is the same for the whole release, it is better to make the association relatively to the release itself instead of putting associations on each track
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