History:Frogs Tidying Marathon

A Frogs' Brigade Editing Party

What?

On 2006/09/04, the french MusicBrainz editors decided to take the control back over the french part of the database, by organising a joint tidying effort during the month of September, in order to drastically enhance the quality of all our (beloved :p) french artists.

You can find the original annoucement and details in the mailing list.

During the time of this event, this page helps them maintaining a list of done/ongoing tidying efforts.

It will certainly be moved back to the FrenchArtists page when we'll be done.

Before I forget...

The following non-french-native editors have contributed edits to our crusade:

• Zout
• drsaunde
• Keschte

The following native editors have done work (add your name if I forgot you):

• MLL
• davitof
• Shlublu

The following persons have contributed cheers:

• "Too bad I'm not french. I could really use some MB juice." ~Kilu
• nightgroove: aww gooo panda!

• nightgroove suddenly wished he wa french

Notes

Transversal editing suggestion:

• oeil for œil
• coeur for cœur
• soeur for sœur
• moeurs for mœurs
• There are a lot of duos/trios/grouped artists names that are either incomplete or simply mangled (search the VA albums)
• tracks titles containings "(avec " or "(en duo avec" are indeed "feats"

Investigate and report:

• Punk group list at wikipedia

Abbreviations:

• D = Discogs, W = Wikipedia, M = Myspace, O = Official website, F = Fan site, I = IMDB, MM = MusicMoz

Status of the work

Have been searched exhaustively, up to (including) letter A of the TODO list:

• Discogs & Wikipedia (artist entries)
• Discogs & Wikipedia.fr (release entries), but Air, Adamo and Jacques Brel
• Aliases
• Discids
• Collabs ARs have been set
• Artist dates

Discogs artist entries, Wikipedia.fr and discids have been researched up to letter "E" of the TODO list.

Aliases to verify:

• Les Ondes d'Ombres

Nats to verify:

• Air
• Frida Boccara
• Début de Soirée

Discids to investigate

• http://musicbrainz.org/release/78f6dbe7-b40d-4ebe-8503-3506e191fb33.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/44c18a26-b052-4b86-a182-30b41eb9e900.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/056d0017-4075-40ff-a0e2-f0c2c8307f60.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/f2720fc5-b57f-4639-a6e8-a1e50dcfd51b.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/7dcecdb0-a790-44a3-a979-79b1d4ce601c.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/ae1614d0-cd85-4a5d-9a49-808b60bcf4cd.html

Release with at least two very differents ids:

• http://musicbrainz.org/release/056d0017-4075-40ff-a0e2-f0c2c8307f60.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/426aaa26-91db-4212-b353-265c3677d26e.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/05efa7be-df4f-448c-a4a4-404bbeaa6cdb.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/bbda6239-2ae2-4b48-ac93-a67754c62d53.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/d6126168-60a9-4076-b4d1-5c2f66d7ab1c.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/ba858cf4-0ed0-455a-b3c8-56bd67142288.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/2dac129d-5126-4a4c-8de8-9efb86f0a798.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/7f36a689-2742-4203-8b15-999cf5a7bff6.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/ae0dc44f-4138-4802-97d1-2d55598ce7ff.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/8eac6fea-de37-4625-8d65-01f4eade4bf2.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/7c7c1e56-6795-45b1-bcf1-56ae2e9ab659.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/204ecdab-2cf4-4e9b-93f6-309b1dc15ef5.html

Strange stuff:

• One track is 1 minute shorter: http://musicbrainz.org/release/da7d8b59-0018-445f-b6d8-c7370148eb44.html
• Has all tracks (including last track!) with 2 seconds add: http://musicbrainz.org/release/bb4421ae-8951-479e-a5ca-9fd44dfa7b1e.html
• One track half a minute shorter: http://musicbrainz.org/release/884579f0-15bf-4f1b-8f21-34f40dfa64ed.html
• One track half a minute shorter: http://musicbrainz.org/release/3f955756-57aa-4683-b520-66628de78386.html
• One track half a minute shorter: http://musicbrainz.org/release/f79033fa-e86f-402d-80b0-2047ccfed408.html
• One track 15 seconds shorter: http://musicbrainz.org/release/067e0ae0-3707-4982-bb29-e8ce9f1d7244.html
• One track 30 seconds shorter: http://musicbrainz.org/release/6ac4355c-8c6e-4a05-b5e5-646fb82d7225.html

Strange also:

• http://musicbrainz.org/release/a29e7630-6b22-42e9-84b7-62903b9fa3b3.html => DXqusSt56njRNNpcjhHtprnmBkc- is possibly for another version of this album
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/ba20c1fb-535c-4957-b14d-2032f5ae078b.html dunno what to think... one windows +2 sec leadout and one homebrew? :D
• http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/details.html?releaseid=66598&show=times#discid 30 seconds variations on quite a few tracks
• http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/details.html?releaseid=150685&show=times#discid 10 seconds difference on the leadout
• Somewhat dubious...: http://musicbrainz.org/release/2ca6f4a4-4c06-4718-b33b-708c55d1b210.html

Atrocious mess:

• http://musicbrainz.org/release/8ba9769a-0235-421b-9f28-0369096b852f.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=48476
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/ce1ef76e-495b-498c-933a-6a0d7c6a1afe.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/a1eb3b1d-a177-4f83-a925-ceb5d6b3c526.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/3d9cf827-360f-4299-900f-7d1c669e5f9e.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/02ffd563-9151-48d9-8712-636e9a26edd0.html

Positively awful, some work already done:

• http://musicbrainz.org/release/a0d138bc-2968-47c9-99e1-1b0e0d4736a0.html
• http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=24262
• http://musicbrainz.org/release/5e2e6fbb-a820-45ca-baa3-0ead96818947.html

Missing label / cat data

• Channel V Thailand, Volume 1
• Comment je vis
• Sound Concierge #501: "Blanket"
• 10 ans de Saravah (disc 2)
• Amour foot
• Noël ensemble
• L'Intégrale 1970-1980, Volume 1
• Bobby Tutti Frutti
• Anthologie de la chanson française enregistrée 1969
• Sans trahir
• Punk Rawk Explosion 13
• The Atomic Café: French Cuts
• The Atomic Café: French Cuts
• Swinging Mademoiselle, Volume 1 (miss track times)
• Ultra Chicks, Volume 5: Chicks à Gogo!
• La Soirée des Enfoirés 96
• Tu es mon autre
• L'Essentiel rock français (disc 1) (and while you're at it, do disc 2 also :p)
• Un regard sur le rock français

Ultimate quality

This is somewhat fictitious... Anyhow, it's the same as good (see below), plus:

• all sort of ARs goodies :)
• artist has a short biographic annotation
• TRM/Pweed are all correct

Good quality

Criteria:

• All releases (including all VA releases):
  • have spelling verified
  • have good capitalization (with or without the debated "exceptions")
  • have language and status verified and set
  • have a release event
  • have been searched on Amazon
  • have been searched on discogs
  • have at least a label name in annotation (means the release is not bogus/dubious), and ideally cat number + EAN
  • no bogus discid

• Artist:
  • artist name and sortname verified
  • no bogus "ghost" for the artist in the db
  • artist aliases have been verified
  • artist birthdate/death date have been researched
  • "collabs artists" has all his collab ARs set
  • discogs and wikipedia pages have been searched/added (favor the fr wikipedia domain)
  • no bogus NAT

• Radiate:
  • all french artists from VA comp where this artist is present are present in this page
  • all french artists having collaborated with this artist are present in this page

• Maintain:
  • you're subscribed to the artist and plan on watching the incoming flow

Note: some of the releases may not match the requested quality criteria. Still, the presence of the artist here means some time has been spent *researching* the information, even if the label/cat information is still missing.

A

• 2 Be 3 (D Wfr) (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Gérard Ansaloni (O) (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

• Erik Arnaud (D) (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

• Ausweis (D M) (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

B

• Véronique Balmont (O) (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

• Dominique Barouh (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

• Pierre Barouh & Anita Vallejo (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Pierre Barouh & Anita Vallejo & Oscar Castro (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Pierre Barouh & Daniel Mille (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Pierre Barouh & Dominique Barouh (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Pierre Barouh & Ignatus (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Pierre Barouh & Jacques Datin (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Pierre Barouh & Roudoudou (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

C

• Jean-Roger Caussimon (D Wfr) (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Beware! Discogs page name is "bogus"

• Jeanne Cherhal & Jacques Higelin (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• CharlElie Couture & Fred Poulet (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• CharlElie Couture & Tom Novembre (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• CharlElie Couture & Elsa (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

D

• Delphine (D) (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates
  • There are several different Delphine, and we need to keep an eye on that to prevent messy misattribution

• Céline Dion & Maurane (checked -- dmppanda 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

E

• Eiffel

F

• Lara Fabian & Maurane (checked -- dmppanda 15:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

G

• Gasteropodes Killers (checked -- dmppanda 15:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates
  • Obscure. Is it "Gasteropodes" or "Gastéropodes"? Punk stuff...

• Garage Lopez (checked -- dmppanda 15:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates (obscure punk stuff)

• Eric Guilleton (checked -- dmppanda 15:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates
  • Is it "Eric" or "Éric"?

H

• Jacques Higelin & Izia Higelin (checked -- dmppanda 15:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Jacques Higelin & Areski Belkacem (checked -- dmppanda 15:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

J

• J'aurais voulu (checked -- dmppanda 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

K

• Karbala 413 (checked -- dmppanda 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

• Françoise Kucheida (checked -- dmppanda 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

L

• Allain Leprest (Wfr F2) (checked -- dmppanda 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
• Pierre Louki (Wfr O F) (checked -- dmppanda 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC))

M

• Maudits Systèmes (checked -- dmppanda 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
  • Miss artist dates

• Maurane & Jean-Jacques Goldman & Marc Lavoine & Pierre Palmade

N

• Neurotic Explosion
  • Miss artist dates

Decent

Criteria:

• no spelling errors
• good capitalization (with or without the debated "exceptions")
• all releases have language/script set

(note that some artists actually in this category are actually better than "decent", but we still need to verify that)

B

• Pierre Barouh (D Wfr F I)
• Beausoleil (D Wen F)
• Areski Belkacem & Brigitte Fontaine
• Messieurs Richard de Bordeaux et Daniel Beretta
• Jacques Brel (D Wfr Wen I O F2)

D

• Dominique A (D Wen Wfr O)

F

• Brigitte Fontaine & Jacques Higelin

G

• Danyel Gérard (D Wfr)

H

• Jacques Higelin (D Wen Wfr F)
• Les Hurleurs (D2)
  • Miss artist dates

L

• Ludwig Von 88 (D Wfr O)

M

• Massilia Sound System (D Wfr O)
  • Miss artist dates

• Maurane (D Wfr O F)
• Maurane & Muriel Robin
• David McNeil (Wfr O)
• Métal Urbain (D M Wfr O)
• Daniel Mille
  • Miss artist dates

• Eddy Mitchell (D Wfr F O)

N

• Noir Désir (D Wfr F O)
• Tom Novembre (Wfr)

O

• Oberkampf (Wfr)
  • Miss artist dates

• Les Ondes d'Ombres

P

• Fred Poulet (D)
  • Miss artist dates

• Alfred Panou & Art Ensemble of Chicago
• Pumuckl (DO)
  • Miss artist dates

• Punch Chaos
  • Miss artist dates

• Psy 4 de la Rime (D Wfr F O)

R

• R.A.S.
  • Miss artist dates

• Rome Buyce Night (D Wfr M O F)

S

• Sid & Les Vicieux
  • Miss artist dates

• Les Silvers d'argent
  • Miss artist dates

• Les Sales Majestés (Wfr F2)
• Véronique Sanson (D Wfr F O)
• Aram Sédèfian
  • Miss artist dates

• Stereolab & Brigitte Fontaine
• Les Sheriff (D Wfr O)
  • Miss artist dates

• Alain Souchon & Eddy Mitchell
• Stéréogrammes (M O)

T

• Jack Treese (D)
  • Miss artist dates

• Tamèrantong & Ludwig Von 88
• Trotskids (D)
  • Miss artist dates

V

• Les Vampires
  • Miss artist dates

• Via Roma
  • Miss artist dates

• Vatican (D)
  • Miss artist dates

W

• Warum Joe (D Wfr O)

Z

• Zebda (D Wfr O)
• Zabriskie Point (D Wfr F)
  • Miss artist dates

TODO/TO-CHECK

A

• Adamo (D Wfr F O I)
• Air (D Wfr Wen F O MM)
• Pierre Akendengué (D Wfr)
• Pierre Akendengué & Hugues de Courson
• Alizée (D Wfr F O2 I)
• Graeme Allwright (Wfr) (often misspelled as Allright)
• Keren Ann (D Wfr F O)
• Richard Anthony (D Wfr O)
• Art Mengo (D Wfr F2 O)
• Au Bonheur des Dames (Wfr)
• Hugues Aufray (D Wfr O)
• Isabelle Aubret (D Wfr F O)
• Charles Aznavour (D Wfr I F2 O)

B

• Pierre Bachelet
• Chimène Badi
• Bïa
• Daniel Balavoine
• La Bande à Basile
• Barbara
• Didier Barbelivien
• Brigitte Bardot
• Phil Barney
• Alain Barrière
• Claude Barzotti
• Alain Bashung
• Bill Baxter
• Julos Beaucarne
• Gilbert Bécaud
• Areski Belkacem
• Plastic Bertrand
• Bibie
• Les Bidochons
• Georges Bizet
• Gérard Blanc
• Gérard Blanchard
• Blues Trottoir
• Frida Boccara
• Isabelle Boulay
• Bourvil
• Mike Brant
• Georges Brassens
• Dany Brillant
• Patrick Bruel
• Bertrand Burgalat

C

• Francis Cabrel
• Carlos
• Elyane Célis (Élyane or Elyane?)
• Robert Charlebois
• CharlElie Couture
• Étienne Charry
• Charts
• Maurice Chevalier
• Christophe
• Reda Claire
• André Claveau
• Philippe Clay
• Julien Clerc
• Clotaire K
• Richard Cocciante
• Annie Cordy
• Corneille
• Hervé Cristiani (often misspelled as Christiani)
• Nicole Croisille

D

• Daniel Darc
• Dalida
• Joe Dassin
• Dave
• Claude Debussy
• Début de Soirée
• François Deguelt
• Lucienne Delyle
• Bill Deraime
• Desireless
• Marlene Dietrich
• Dingler Cookie (or Cookie Dingler?)
• Céline Dion
• Dionysos
• Sacha Distel
• Dorothée
• Lucie Dubé
• Yves Duteil
• Henri Dutilleux
• Jacques Dutronc

F

• Lara Fabian
• Fabulous Trobadors
• Rock Failair
• Mylène Farmer
• Gabriel Fauré
• François Feldman (verify "Francoise Feldman")
• Fernandel
• Jean Ferrat
• Léo Ferré
• Nino Ferrer
• Thomas Fersen
• Patrick Fiori
• Liane Foly
• Brigitte Fontaine
• Les Forbans
• Maxime Le Forestier
• France d'Amour
• Claude François
• Jean-Pierre François
• Élodie Frégé & Michal
• Les Frères Jacques
• Michel Fugain

G

• Serge Gainsbourg
• France Gall
• Gold (verify that stuff)
• Jean-Jacques Goldman
• Richard Gotainer
• Félix Gray (Felix? Félix?)
• Juliette Gréco
• Georges Guétary (check collabs with mispelled "Guetary")
• Daniel Guichard

H

• Johnny Hallyday
• Françoise Hardy
• Thierry Hazard

I

• Iglesias
• Enrique Iglesias (verify both the father/son for mixed stuff in VA comp)
• Il était une fois
• Images
• Indochine

J

• Jean-Pascal
• Jenifer (verify Jennifer)
• C. Jerome
• Jojo le Grand (check that! Is it Le Grand Jojo?)
• Michel Jonasz
• Jorane
• Patrick Juvet

K

• Patricia Kaas
• Pascal Kanza Lokua
  • Beware!
  • Lokua Kanza
  • Loukua Kanza

• Katerine
• Claire Keim
• Khaled
• Angélique Kidjo

L

• Lââm
• Jean-Jacques Lafon
• Marie Laforêt
• Jean-Luc Lahaye
• Francis Lalanne
• Serge Lama
• Simone Langlois
• Carole Laure
• Larusso (verify other Larusso?)
• Philippe Lavil
• Bernard Lavilliers
• Daniel Lavoie
• Marc Lavoine
• Rose Laurens
• Renée Lebas
• Félix Leclerc (check collabs with "Felix")
• Françis Lemarque
• Gérard Lenorman
• Herbert Leonard
• Nolwenn Leroy (different from Nolwen)
• Leslie
• Daniel Levi
• Lilicub
• Lio
• Lorie
• Louise Attaque

M

• Enrico Macias
• Manau
• Mardel
• Margy
• Mariano
• Jeanne Mas
• Mireille Mathieu
• Olivier Messiaen
• Jean-François Michael
• Mick Micheyl
• Mickey 3D
• Bernard Minet
• Miossec
• Gilbert Montagné
• Yves Montand
• Jeanne Moreau
• Morpion'z Circus
• Mouloudji
• Nana Mouskouri (check the collabs)
• Georges Moustaki
• Les Musclés (who has the guts to check that stuff? :D)
• Marie Myriam

N

• Niagara (check the other Niagara)
• Nicoletta (related to Nicoletta Strambelli?)
• Yannick Noah
• Franck Noël
• Magali Noël
• Noir Silence
• Notre Dame De Paris
• Claude Nougaro

O

• Pascal Obispo

P

• Pacifique
• Florant Pagny
• Gérard Palaprat
• Parker Luna (or Luna Parker?)
• Partenaire Particulier
• Thierry Pastor
• Sabine Paturel
• Paul Personne
• Nicolas Peyrac
• Edith Piaf
• Peter & Sloane
• Julie Piétri
• Georgette Plana
• Michel Polnareff
• Pow Wow (Pow woW?)
• Priscilla

R

• Raft
• Maurice Ravel
• Axelle Red
• Serge Reggiani
• Régine
• Renaud
• Line Renaud
• Nicole Rieu
• Tino Rossi
• Kate Ryan

S

• Jean Sablon
• Saïan Supa Crew
• Erik Satie
• Catherine Sauvage
• Natasha St-Pier
• Camille Saint-Saëns
• Henri Salvador
• Sapho
• Claude M. Schönberg
• Hélène Ségara
• Hélène Ségara & Laura Pausini
• Séverine
• Sheila
• William Sheller
• Mort Shuman
• Yves Simon
• Soldat Louis
• Alain Souchon
• Alain Souchon & Laurent Voulzy
• Alain Souchon & Eddy Mitchell
• Alain Souchon & Dick Annegarn
• Star Academy
  • Beware!
  • Star Academy 3
  • Star Academy 4

• Didier Super

T

• Téléphone
• Diane Tell
• Têtes Raides
• Fabienne Thibeault
• Fabienne Thibeault & Jean-Pierre Débarrat
• Charles Trenet
• Tue Loup

V

• François Valéry
• Laroche Valmont
• Sylvie Vartan
• Ray Ventura
• Ray Ventura et ses collégiens
• Boris Vian
• Hervé Vilard
• Pablo Villafranca (Not in MB!)
• Roch Voisine

W

• Steve Waring
• Ophélie Winter
• Barney Wilen

Z

• Rika Zaraï

Discussion

Apparently missing

Or are they in, mispelled?

• Didier Sutrac
• Vivien Savage
• Dario Moréno
• Fréderic Lermer
• Jacques Lantier
• Hélène
• Corynne Chabry
• Jérôme Elisabeth
• Lény Escudero
• René Joly

Are not french artists

... though they ended up in this list for some reason we might need to guess before removing them definitely

• Tina Arena ended up in french artists because she sometimes sings in french, which is the definition of this list. To remove her (as Joan Baez and others...), we must decide if this list is about artists who have at least some titles in french, or about artists who sing mostly in french
  • a (really quick) look at her releases gives me the feeling she sang very few french songs (but this need to be verified). Now, I'm suggesting the following criteria: "Is to be included in the main list an artist with at least one release with language set to french. Artists with no such release, but with a few french tracks should be included in a secondary list we could possibly maintain below".
    • I would draw the limit elsewhere... or add another category. Christopher Young did a release in french, and I am sure there must be other esoteric examples!

Unclear and/or mixed with homonym

• Bulldozer

Coming in ASAP

• Jean-Louis Aubert
• Arno
• Bijou
• Beth (check also B.E.T.H.)
• Cali
• Cox
• Dolly
• Étienne Daho
• Stephan Eicher
• FFF
• Freak Out
• Kyo
• Kinito
• -M- (Matthieu Chédid)
• Matmatah
• Mano Negra
• Mass Hysteria
• Les Négresses Vertes
• Niagara
• Prohom
• Paris Combo
• Pigalle
• Parabellum
• Raphaël & Jean-Lous Aubert
• Les Rita Mitsouko
• La Ruda Salska
• Silmarils
• Starshooter
• Swanndust
• Hubert-Félix Thiéfaine
• Aston Villa
• Les VRP