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Status: This proposal is currently under development. At the moment, it may be a mess, as the layout is being restructured and updated.


I have been thinking over this album release thing quite alot, the previous redrafts, ideas and talks in the mailinglist where contributional factors to this, I have tried to include what those people have said, and asked for, plus my own usage of release types. Here is my proposal and restructuring (the option 'I don't know' is implied) after this list follows a list of groups & settings and explanations of their meanings


== Release Status ==
my new idea is a base of 3. it also involve tickyboxes on some, but not all options.
Any Release Status proposals which were formerly located here have been relocated to [[User:BrianSchweitzer/Release Status Proposals|Release Status Proposals]], as modifications to the Release Status are outside of the scope of this proposal.
== Release Format ==
Any Release Format proposals which were formerly located here have been relocated to [[User:BrianSchweitzer/Release Format Proposal|Release Format Proposal]], as modifications to the Release Format are outside of the scope of this proposal.



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Everything below is potentially a mess.
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===Physical Media===


* CD
** 3"
** 5"


* DVD
** DVD-A


* SACD
* [[Mini Disc|MiniDisc]]
* Vinyl
** 7"
** 10"
** 12"
** other


* Cassette
* 8track
* Digital Media (webalbums / stand alone mp3/ogg etc)


===Release Status===


Official | Commercial | Bootleg


===Main Types===
===Main Types===

* Album (LP)
* Album (LP)
* EP
* EP
* Single
* Single
** ''Maxi-CD''

* ''Other''
...
...
* Split
* ''Split''
* Compilation
* Compilation
** ''Highlights''
* Remix
* Remix
* Remaster
* ''Remaster''
* Live
* Live
* Soundtrack
* Soundtrack
* ''Composer''
* Classical
* Data (when clicked, either option under is possible, but not both)
* ''Data (when clicked, either option under is possible, but not both)''
** audiofile disc
** ''audiofile disc''
** multimedia 2 session disc
** ''multimedia 2 session disc''

* Other
* Other
* Promotional
* ''Demo''
* Demo
* ''Bonus''
* Interview
* Audiobook
* Spokenword
* Spokenword
** Interview
* other narrative
** Audiobook
** ''Radio play''
** ''other narrative''


==Description==
==Description==


===Physical Media===

pretty much says itself, what is the thing you have in your hand? These types are not tickyboxed, only radio buttons. a CD is not a cassette. later in restructuring we may want to add the possibility to add *several* physical media types, ideally connected with release dates. (this requires complete rewrite of the releasetype+releasedate tables, I know. so I'm not going there. yet ô<u>ô) <dl><dt>CD
<dd>just a regular audio CD, also known as CD-A.
<dt>DVD
<dd>

we are going to get pure musical DVD's eventually. There are a few thousand according to wikipedia, the same is true for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio DVD-A].
<dt>SACD
<dd>separated from DVD because it is a different coding process entirely, hybrid SACD discs that have the capability of being played on regular CD-player should go under this to
<dt>MiniDisc
<dd>(minidisc or minidisk?) more info goes here There are not many new releases but a lot of older ones.
<dt>Vinyl
<dd>

finally we have Vinyls! subgroups of 7", 10" & 12" and 'other' for that one nth" type laying in PRAEst76's attic ;)
<dt>Cassette
<dd>just your average tape
<dt>8track
<dd>for really old wonky releases on 8track
<dt>Digital Media
<dd>(webalbums / stand alone mp3/ogg etc)
</dl>

===Release Status===

the status of this release. these do *not* have ticky-boxes, as a release can only be *one* of the options. <dl><dt>Official
<dd>exactly like it is today, sanctioned by *both* the artist and the record-company (if applicable). These releases are most likely listed on the artists' own website and most fansites.
<dt>Commercial
<dd>

a new type, this is for releases that are pretty much sanctioned by the record-company (or resold to other companies) but *not* the artist, exactly. These albums will usually *not* be listed on the artists website or fansites. Examples of this kind of records are the various greatest hits / best of xx's, time-life / the best XXXXX in the world, POP! # NOW! [name] [number], etc. type VA compilations fall into this category. some [[Single Artitst|SingleArtitst]] compilations also come under this type. they are usually not (if at all) listed on Artistssites or Fansites. (but usually on recordcompany-sites or buy sites like amazon) (in essential, *all* classical music will be this option. but perhaps 'official' should be retained for classical albums where the performer(s) are *serious* (an example of *serious* albums would be [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=275610 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=275610] & [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=160240 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=160240] and examples of *unserious* albums would be [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=208493 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=208493] & [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=80661 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=80661] basically you can tell with the CD and jewelcase. *serious* ones make a big hoopla and have richly including liner booklets and are usually released by one of the big 'classical' record companies (EMI, Decca, deutche gramphone, Naxos, Philips etc) while *unserious* ones tend to have small linernotes (or none at all) and will be from small "bootlegesque" record companies)
<dt>Bootleg
<dd>same as today. albums not sanctioned by *neither* record company nor artist. these albums *can* be listed on the artists website (rare), but most good fansites have a bootleg section.
</dl>


===Main Types===
===Main Types===
These are mostly multiple choice per release conglomeration. The exceptions are album, single and EP, as (I think) they are exclusive of each other. (these are per day's date separate from release events and labels)

('''One Choice''')
these mostly have ticky-boxes. The exceptions are album, single and EP, as they are pretty much exclusive of each other <dl><dt>Album
;Album
<dd>same as today, first time releases.
:same as today, first time releases.
<dt>Single
;EP
<dd>same as today, single releases (make 'maxi single' a subtype?)
:same as today, for releases clearly marked 'EP'
<dt>EP
;Single
<dd>same as today, for releases clearly marked 'EP'
:same as today, single releases
</dl>
;Maxi-Single

:a suboption for single, basically what EP was to vinyl this is to CD's today? the rules are not as strict though, any Maxi-Single is as explicitly a single, if a release is rather more classified as EP, use that instead.
(the following all have ticky-boxes) <dl><dt>Compilation
;Other
<dd>for compilations, same as today: releases that are selections of tracks from one ore more artists that has been released before.
:for releases that do not fit in any other categories, Album, EP or Single.
<dt>Split
('''Multiple Choice''')
<dd>
;Compilation

:for compilations, same as today: releases that are selections of tracks from one ore more artists that has been released before.
releases that are re-releases of 2 or more releases on one disc (f.ex [http://musicbrainz.org/album/d44f592c-db8b-47b4-89bb-a70baeac39cc.html No Heavy Petting / Lights Out]) or releases where two or more artists share a disc (f.ex [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=354065 Light the Fuse and Run/Hot Cross Split ]). both are typically called a 'split CD'.
;Split
<dt>Remix
:
<dd>same as today, remixes. although they will be stored with albums on the 'albums' page in APR
releases that are re-releases of 2 or more releases on one disc (f.ex [http://musicbrainz.org/album/d44f592c-db8b-47b4-89bb-a70baeac39cc.html No Heavy Petting / Lights Out]) or releases where two or more artists share a disc (f.ex [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=354065 Light the Fuse and Run/Hot Cross Split ]). both are typically called a "split release".
<dt>Remaster
;Remix
<dd>while there is an AR for this, sometimes an album isn't a remaster of another, unmastered older album (vinyl, cassette, old CD's) but rather remasters of tracks find on several albums (making them compilations) track by track adding of remaster AR's is exhausting, to say the least, plus we already have AR's for 'remix' (which is also a releasetype)
:same as today, remixes. although they should probably be stored with albums on the 'albums' page in APR?
<dt>Live
;Remaster
<dd>same as today, a live release. however one can chose [compilation] [live] for releases that aren't of a single live 'session'
:
<dt>Soundtrack
while there is an AR for this, sometimes a release is released as being ''specifically'' a "Remaster" rather than a "remastered album", probably some [album] [remaster] combination for this. Other times a release is a collection of "remastered tracks found on several albums" (making them in essence compilations) (see "Remasters" [http://musicbrainz.org/release/8dbf8496-060c-461a-82c5-1296efe3ee17.html 1] & [http://musicbrainz.org/release/edfdc9f8-dc88-4b88-9954-164e154ed3c7.html 2] by Led Zep for an example) [compilation] [remaster] etc.
<dd>same as today, with the addition that one can chose [compilation] [soundtrack] for comps of soundtracks and 'highlights' of musicals
;Live
<dt>Classical
:same as today, a live release. The difference however is that one can now chose [compilation] [live] for releases that aren't of a single live 'session', finally solving this issue.
<dd>
;Soundtrack

:same as today, with the addition that one can chose [compilation] [soundtrack] for comps of soundtracks, etc.
for classical albums or albums that utilise [[Classical Style Guidelines|ClassicalStyleGuidelines]] chose [album] [classical] for "full works" and [compilation] [classical] for "highlights" or for several works by the same or more composers on one release. (or do we want a separate subtype on [compilation] called 'highlights'?)
;Composer
<dt>Data
:
<dd>this is for releases that are either
this is a new type for releases that utilise the [[Classical Style Guide|ClassicalStyleGuide]] (where the artist in the !track/album is the ''composer'' of the work, not the ''performer''). Here [album] [composer] is for your typical "full works" and [compilation] [composer] for releases with several works by the one or more composers on the same release.
;Highlights
:after discussion with Clutcher I agree. this should be (at least) a subtype in its own right. please use with Composer style or Soundtrack
;Data
:this is for releases that are either
* a) audiofile discs, cd's full of audio files such as mp3's or ogg
* a) audiofile discs, cd's full of audio files such as mp3's or ogg
* b) multimedia 2 session disc (bad name please change) cd's that typically have 2 sessions, one which is data and the other which is comprised regular of audiotracks, such discs are typically computer-Game CD's or CD-lens cleaners.
* b) multimedia 2 session disc (bad name please change) cd's that typically have 2 sessions, one which is data and the other which is comprised regular of audiotracks, such discs are typically computer-Game CD's or CD-lens cleaners.
;Other

:ideally this type should now be obsolete, it should however be retained because a) we still lave loads of releases with this type and b) no matter how you try to cater for releases there is going to be the odd one out that breaks the mold.
<dt>Promotional
;Spokenword
<dd>same as today, for releases that are given away (usually free) by sweepstakes. magazines, competitions etc.
:this is now a heading type. it is still used the same as before. however it is implied that if something is 'audiobook' or 'interview' it is also at the same time 'spokenword'
<dt>Demo
;Interview
<dd>a new type. a demo album is different than a promotional... because uh.. (I forgot, please add description here)
:same as today, for interview discs
<dt>Other
;Audiobook
<dd>ideally this type should now be obsolete, it should however be retained because a) we still lave loads of releases with this type and b) no matter how you try to cater for releases there is going to be the odd one out that breaks the mold
:same as today, for audiobooks
<dt>Spokenword
;Radio play
<dd>this is now a heading type. it is still used the same as before. however it is implied that if something is 'audiobook' or 'interview' it is also at the same time 'spokenword'
:a new subtype, as requested by Shepard: "At the moment many actual radio plays are stored as Audiobooks in the db - this is wrong. And audiobook is just a book read by one person. A radio play is an audio play with many different characters and background sounds and stuff"
* ''interview'' same as today, for interview discs
;other narrative
* ''audiobook'' same as today, for audiobooks
* ''other narrative'' other spokenword type releases not already covered.
:other spokenword type releases not already covered.
** do we want/need Drama-Disc? anything else?

</dl>

this is my release type proposal mrk2. super thanks to DJKC, PRAEst76, fuchs and uraani for arguing with me!

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==Discussion==

please leave all ideas in the discussion part of this document. esle it gets clowed
* how do we describe *serious* vs. *unserious* classical albums (I am sure the classical mods understand what I mean. but others are probably confused as heck XD)

For DVDs, I'd suggest to separate audio-only DVDs from concert/music video DVDs, discs with audio-only and video parts, and whatever other disc type should be added (IMHO, it wouldn't make sense to add movie DVDs because someone ripped the score). --derGraph

this your proposal sounds good, and I agree, it fits well with the " though we are not cdbrainz, we are not moviebrainz either. we are *music*brainz " mentality ~[[User:mo|mo]]

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to add vinyl as a media type. Clicks, pops and hissing will surely affect the TRMs, resulting in a large amount of bogus TRMs. Tapes may also be of poor quality. And in the end, every non-digital source bears the problem of conversion into a digital format; and each conversion will have a different result. I don't know how much difference between two sources that still produce the same TRM is possible, but knowing that even the track length affects the TRM, I think we should have digital media only. --derGraph

uh, there are releases that are only released on Vinyl, TRM's are completely not in the equation, neither are mp3's. there are releases that where released on Vinyl/cassette but never will be released on CD or SACD And often if releases *are* rereleased they are released with a *different* tracklisting than the original Vinyl and perhaps cassette with a bonus track. perhaps the LP Vinyl is split onto two cassettes, and the CD release has 4 extra bonus tracks. currently there is no way of saying that 'this release is vinyl' we need this.
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">But does it make any sense to add media that need to be digitized before a TRM can be caluclated? As far as I understand [[MusicBrainz]], it's not a discographies library, but (in the first place) a system to help identify and tag ditital music tracks. Now with advanced relationships, it also helps to explore relationships between artists, persons, tracks, etc. (in contrast pure user preference comparison as Audioscrobbler does). I think that it makes sense to include such ARs into MB, especially because the "framework" is alredy there. But then, if someone wants to read an artists discography, she could just follow the discography link. --derGraph
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Let's just say there are different views and different opinions on what musicbrainz is and should be, and mine seem to be as far aways from yours as possible. To me musicbrainz is about recording knowledge about music, period. An extended discography if you will. See it as the imdb of music. Personally I wouldn't have a big problem if we lost all the trm information tomorrow. THen there's the other side (you and others?) that are here because they have too many mp3s that they want to tag. But I still don'tr really see you'r point, even from that point of view. There are still loads of mp3s flowing around out there that are ripped from vinyls and others. Don't you think people might want to tag those aswell? //[[User:bnw|bnw]]
</ul>
</ul>

I already have a plan how to handle releases that where released as a vinyl ''and'' as a cassette ''and'' as a CD etc. with the same tracklisting. I will write up that after this proposal is finetuned and eventually put into work. ~[[User:mo|mo]]

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Category... Something | Original author: [[User:mo|mo]]

[[Category:To Be Reviewed]]

Latest revision as of 19:16, 28 August 2016


Status: This page describes an active proposal and is not official.



Proposal number: RFC-49
Champion: none, was BrianFreud & mo (& others)
Current status: Abandoned


Trac ticket # 1372

Status: This proposal is currently under development. At the moment, it may be a mess, as the layout is being restructured and updated.


Release Status

Any Release Status proposals which were formerly located here have been relocated to Release Status Proposals, as modifications to the Release Status are outside of the scope of this proposal.

Release Format

Any Release Format proposals which were formerly located here have been relocated to Release Format Proposal, as modifications to the Release Format are outside of the scope of this proposal.


Everything below is potentially a mess.





Main Types

  • Album (LP)
  • EP
  • Single
    • Maxi-CD
  • Other

...

  • Split
  • Compilation
    • Highlights
  • Remix
  • Remaster
  • Live
  • Soundtrack
  • Composer
  • Data (when clicked, either option under is possible, but not both)
    • audiofile disc
    • multimedia 2 session disc
  • Other
  • Demo
  • Bonus
  • Spokenword
    • Interview
    • Audiobook
    • Radio play
    • other narrative

Description

Main Types

These are mostly multiple choice per release conglomeration. The exceptions are album, single and EP, as (I think) they are exclusive of each other. (these are per day's date separate from release events and labels) (One Choice)

Album
same as today, first time releases.
EP
same as today, for releases clearly marked 'EP'
Single
same as today, single releases
Maxi-Single
a suboption for single, basically what EP was to vinyl this is to CD's today? the rules are not as strict though, any Maxi-Single is as explicitly a single, if a release is rather more classified as EP, use that instead.
Other
for releases that do not fit in any other categories, Album, EP or Single.

(Multiple Choice)

Compilation
for compilations, same as today: releases that are selections of tracks from one ore more artists that has been released before.
Split

releases that are re-releases of 2 or more releases on one disc (f.ex No Heavy Petting / Lights Out) or releases where two or more artists share a disc (f.ex Light the Fuse and Run/Hot Cross Split ). both are typically called a "split release".

Remix
same as today, remixes. although they should probably be stored with albums on the 'albums' page in APR?
Remaster

while there is an AR for this, sometimes a release is released as being specifically a "Remaster" rather than a "remastered album", probably some [album] [remaster] combination for this. Other times a release is a collection of "remastered tracks found on several albums" (making them in essence compilations) (see "Remasters" 1 & 2 by Led Zep for an example) [compilation] [remaster] etc.

Live
same as today, a live release. The difference however is that one can now chose [compilation] [live] for releases that aren't of a single live 'session', finally solving this issue.
Soundtrack
same as today, with the addition that one can chose [compilation] [soundtrack] for comps of soundtracks, etc.
Composer

this is a new type for releases that utilise the ClassicalStyleGuide (where the artist in the !track/album is the composer of the work, not the performer). Here [album] [composer] is for your typical "full works" and [compilation] [composer] for releases with several works by the one or more composers on the same release.

Highlights
after discussion with Clutcher I agree. this should be (at least) a subtype in its own right. please use with Composer style or Soundtrack
Data
this is for releases that are either
  • a) audiofile discs, cd's full of audio files such as mp3's or ogg
  • b) multimedia 2 session disc (bad name please change) cd's that typically have 2 sessions, one which is data and the other which is comprised regular of audiotracks, such discs are typically computer-Game CD's or CD-lens cleaners.
Other
ideally this type should now be obsolete, it should however be retained because a) we still lave loads of releases with this type and b) no matter how you try to cater for releases there is going to be the odd one out that breaks the mold.
Spokenword
this is now a heading type. it is still used the same as before. however it is implied that if something is 'audiobook' or 'interview' it is also at the same time 'spokenword'
Interview
same as today, for interview discs
Audiobook
same as today, for audiobooks
Radio play
a new subtype, as requested by Shepard: "At the moment many actual radio plays are stored as Audiobooks in the db - this is wrong. And audiobook is just a book read by one person. A radio play is an audio play with many different characters and background sounds and stuff"
other narrative
other spokenword type releases not already covered.
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